So...what's the consensus on pot? :)

[itsjulie]

Hey all,

Today, I'm asking about marijuana. I am asking about this because I just had a reading with Erin last week (which was amazing, I can't remember ever feeling this much peace about my life). At one point, we were discussing my life purpose/career path and whatnot.

For the past year or two, I have had this nagging feeling that I should have finished nursing school instead of dropping out and moving to San Francisco to live on a boat and study yoga (a very personal pursuit).

Indeed, she mentioned nursing would be a good path for me as I am a "light worker." I have heard this term, but I'm not familiar with it, looking forward to immersing myself in this world.

So, at the time of my dropout, I was a regular pot smoker. I'm talking DAILY, if not multiple times a day. I forgot to mention this to Erin.

I haven't smoked for over 5 years, so I don't have an emotional attachment to the drug any more, and I'm wondering...does smoking cannabis take us off our path? Is it a distraction? What is the purpose of pot?

I have a friend who believes pot can really harm you long term, and even talks about her own "pot damage" though she hasn't smoked in 20 years.

Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on this one...

[desertrat]

I think long term heavy use of pot will hurt you , the same with smoking , or alcohol . I think you could still be a nurse and live on a boat in San Francisco. desert rat

[JeffistheAnswer]

As I saw on an interview once, this one guy said that "pot makes you feel like you're really productive, when really you're not..."

[SatvikBeri]

Originally Posted by JeffistheAnswer

As I saw on an interview once, this one guy said that "pot makes you feel like you're really productive, when really you're not..."

This is true of many things, including sleep deprivation. People often describe themselves as just as productive or more when high or lacking sleep, but when actually measured their productivity is clearly lower.

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by itsjulie

What is the purpose of pot?

There's not one answer to that, and anyone who tries to give a universal answer ("good" or "bad") is probably either projecting or morally pontificating.

Does the real reason you're asking this question have to do with whether it had an impact on your path? Whether it distracted you? Kept you from something you "should have" done? I ask this because I'm trying to consider your post as a whole, even though you only directly asked this.

Really, only you can answer those things, if they're indeed what you're after, but even then I wouldn't get too caught up in "shoulds" of the past. There's no changing it now.

What did you learn? How can you apply that to where you want to go next? How can you process the feelings surrounding those times?

[desertrat]

I found this on another forum , asking forum members why they smoke pot. Why do YOU smoke marijuana? - Hip Forums desert rat

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Cannabis is a complex plant with multiple potential uses, one should not be so quick to marginalize it based on its popularity as a casually used recreational drug. It is a powerful and effective medicine for many ailments. As a living being it, like any other plant or living organism, deserves some respect.

[desertrat]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Cannabis is a complex plant with multiple potential uses, one should not be so quick to marginalize it based on its popularity as a casually used recreational drug. It is a powerful and effective medicine for many ailments. As a living being it, like any other plant or living organism, deserves some respect.

If we are going to look at other uses , we cant forget hemp . Rope and fabric are made form it. It is my understanding that it was hemp competing with cotton for rope that got it made illegal, not that it was a narcotic drug. desert rat

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by desertrat

If we are going to look at other uses , we cant forget hemp . Rope and fabric are made form it. It is my understanding that it was hemp competing with cotton for rope that got it made illegal, not that it was a narcotic drug. desert rat

I heard something similar, that it was the DuPont paper company that lobbied for it to be illegal because of competition between hemp pulp vs. tree pulp products.

Edit: I shouldn't say I just heard it, I found out about the DuPont lobbying by doing some research for a sophomore year high school english paper (a paper which the teacher wouldn't grade because it was about cannabis and she was afraid of being fired. Talk about spineless).

[desertrat]

Most likely the cotton farmers, DuPont , some do gooders that saw pot as bad, and maby some others ganged up on pot and got it made illegal . desert rat

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by desertrat

Most likely the cotton farmers, DuPont , some do gooders that saw pot as bad, and maby some others ganged up on pot and got it made illegal . desert rat

That sums up what actually moved the legislature through. Private interests and tree pulp VS hemp pulp wars. Boring stuff to be sure.

[Harmonium]

Guess Erin doesn't wanna share her opinion?

Personally I love smoking weed. I could be broken though. It's a great escape, and lots of people like to do things to "escape" once in a while, personally I think stuff like T.V. is a worse escape.

from montalk.net

If prolonged use of marijuana weakens or tears the etheric, then the expanded insight and emotional stabilization it offers is cancelled by a corresponding decrease in resonance amplitude, making the individual all the more ineffectual and cast adrift in a life that has become synchronistically unresponsive. If they can repair and strengthen their etheric, outer conditions may automatically improve. Or if prolonged and intense use of LSD and scrambles or dislocates the etheric, then it may do the same to one’s experiential reality, though the greatest risk there is some negative nonphysical entity inserting itself into the dislocated portions and turning the person into a darkside asset.

So, this is kind of hard to tell if it's true in my experience. Has smoking every day made me more ineffectual? Maybe a bit, and that's hard to admit, but to me it's a tradeoff. I'm still making progress with my life, and weed keeps me happy and feeling healthy. I seriously doubt I would start making faster progress if I quit, but maybe after my body readjusted, I'm kind of doubting it.

One good thing weed has done for me though - motivate me to make money. If I do quit someday I will still have the income potential I built up while smoking, and as long as I keep smoking I have a solid reason to make progress financially, in a way it almost forces me to make progress, but it's not forced, it's a choice I make.

but that's just my situation. I'd say having benefits from smoking and having downsides to smoking is very situational. I don't think you can blanket judge it, though I've heard a lot of "teachers" and others act with prejudice and disapproval against it, and that really put me off, it made them seem fake to me or just somewhat unintelligent/holier than thou attitude. Not very humble imo. It's one thing to have an opinion/standards for yourself, and its another thing to paint yourself as superior/a guru in an attempt to be an authority.

Would be interested if Erin had any insight into this.

[Erin Pavlina]

I don't have a strong opinion and this topic doesn't interest me terribly.

[C Brown]

Cannabis comes in many different forms. Labeling all cannabis as "the same" would be similar to saying "all fruit juices are the same".

Different cannabis breeders will focus on improving certain characteristics of the genetics they are working with however they see fit. The more enlightened breeders will focus on improving the effects to be more clear-headed, cerebral, enlightening, thought provoking, euphoric or energetic while other breeders will focus on improving characteristics like body stone or numbness, mental devastation, sedation, or other things along those lines.

There are certain breeders who have developed lines that are undoubtedly more spiritual in nature. For those with the patience and will for indoor gardening and wish to know how to acquire such genetics (as novelty items, of course, not to be used in conflict with their local laws) need look no further than DJ Shorts.

So, in my opinion, speaking of cannabis in general terms is doing the plant a dis-service, since its effects are so diverse.

As far as if cannabis effects your decisions in life. I think it depends on what kind you use and how often you use it. If your devastatingly stoned all day it may be difficult to think clearly and to have much motivation to do anything more than bong curls. However,for someone who prefers the more spiritual types of cannabis and uses it sparingly, may be a few times a week, it can be very beneficial in seeing different perspectives about life that you might not have otherwise seen.

Reading your story Julie, I personally think it did make an impact on your decision at the time.

[msBliss]

new studies have come out that put the myth that pot kills brain cells to rest. pot actually increases brain cells, which would help with things like alzheimer's and other disadvantages with aging.
marijiauna has many positive benefits. I believe it all depends on the person and their state of mind. I have many opinions about pot, good and bad, and it's all from personal experience. what I don't like is people judging others for their use of pot, whether it be medicinal or recreational.

[desertrat]

Ok Julie are you going to make a follow up post ? Tell this forum if you will become a nurse, a light worker , stay on a boat in San Fancisco ? If I had a boat and a few bucks ,and some free time , I might take that boat to a few interesting places in the world . desert rat

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by itsjulie

Hey all,

Today, I'm asking about marijuana.
I have had this nagging feeling that I should have finished nursing school
instead of dropping out and moving to San Francisco to live on a boat and study yoga (a very personal pursuit).

Indeed, she mentioned nursing would be a good path for me as I am a "light worker."
I have a friend who believes pot can really harm you long term.

Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on this one...

For drugs (prescribed, otc, or recreational), I've never
had a curiosity, thirst, appetite, hunger, nor emotional need.
They can't do anything for me, and are mostly harmful,
& many of them are proven DEADLY. Taking many drugs,
makes about as much sense as playing with fire.

This from a person who for 30+yrs. inside medical-fields,
empowered & so continues people's Ability to 'self'-heal as a LIGHTworker

[itsjulie]

Thank you all for the awesome responses. Give me a lot to think about.

C. Brown - That is really interesting about the different types of cannabis for different purposes, hadn't thought of that one.

Desertrat - living on a boat again is still a dream of mine, so I think it's probably in my future.

MT - all good questions I am still considering.

There were a few other things happening that may have influenced my decision at the time, I was more curious to see what the lightworker community thought about it.

[Digital Jack]

Awesome. I came here to this thread hoping that this would be an open-minded discussion where we could realistically get an insight as to how the beings or spirits or whatever in the dimensions beyond our preception view pot.

Instead, all I'm treated to is the same old "pot is bad, pot is bad, pot is bad" rhetoric thats been regurgitated over and over again by people whose parents got the poop scared out of them by an ancient black-and-white propaganda film produced by big corporate interests. (Reefer Madness, shows how easily controlled most people are)

I suppose none of you have watched this then...

RUN FROM THE CURE - Full Version - YouTube

The above video is the Rick Simpson story. It basically details how he discovered what appears to be a cure for many, many diseases. AND BEFORE YOU ALL FREAK OUT, HE DOES NOT ADVOCATE SMOKING WEED AS THE CURE.

Instead, he discovered that THC's work best when they are extracted from the plant in the same way you would extract the essential oil from any other plant. Basically, they cook out and harvest a 'resin' from the plant that you ingest orally in VERY small pea-sized doses. The resin can also be applied topically and apparently eliminates many cancers, legions, warts, and other skin problems. Just watch the video and see what I mean.

Now tell me... are all these people somehow "spiritually devoid" or "infected by some dark side energy" just because they turned to the hemp plant to solve their terminal diseases? What if these people would have been cured by chemotherapy, or pills, or organic fruits and vegetables instead? So I guess we can only cure people if we use "socially acceptable" means... the moral is, people's health doesn't matter, its only HOW they're cured that does? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. If I had a choice, I would MUCH rather eat a tiny pea sized ball of THC than expose myself to chemo...

And don't tell me that all these people are just "weed addicts trying to get their next fix by making it legal." Why would anybody put themselves at such huge risk, especially people who are over 65 and can barely defend themselves from an oppressive legal system, if they didn't feel like they had something important to inform people about?

I sorry, but I just hate the kind of bullying attitude that come with people being against pot. People don't think AT ALL, and just rely age-old scare tactics to stroke their egos and make themselves sound surperior to others. "I don't do it, therefore I'm better than you! And your opinion doesn't matter because you're open-minded to it! I win, ha ha!"

Even the most devout, well-practiced psychics and intuitives never seem have anything to say on the subject. Every one of them seems to default to "it's just bad, so don't do it." often with NO evidence... only a smug holier-than-thou attitude.

Let me ask you all this... would your opinions be different if...

... it wasn't illegal?
... it was never referred to as a "drug"?
... you couldn't get arrested for doing it?

Erin, I'm sorry you dont find this topic of any interest. Millions of people are dying all around the world because of intellectual bullies that refuse to open their mind to this possibility, yet somehow, you find the fate of some random-couple-you've-never-met's marrige to be more interesting? It's one of the most pressing issues at hand these days, especially with the recent re-discovery of the effectiveness of hemp oil.

When people come to you and honestly and openly ask about this, and you say "I just dont have any interest in this topic," I feel like you're giving every one your listeners a huge slap in the face, along with a great big "f*** you".

"Who cares if people needlessly die, I have a psychic business to run! I can't be seen as as pro-pot, or else people will stop trusting me and stop giving me money!"

HEY EVERYONE. EVERYONE KNOWS ERIN HAS NEVER SMOKED AND HAS NEVER ADVOCATED POT, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY HERE CAN VOUCH FOR HER ON THAT. NO MATTER WHAT OPINION SHE GIVES, SHE IS NOT A DRUGGIE, AND SHE IS NOT TELLING ANYONE ELSE TO GO OUT AND BE ONE.

...there Erin, I gave you a disclaimer, you may now freely express your opinion.

[Digital Jack]

Hey, heres another video, of not just one, but SEVERAL mainstream news sources that hail the benefits of hemp oil!

Most Shocking WikiLeaks Yet! (illegal Cancer Cure = Genocide) - YouTube

[xtremelady]

Let me ask you all this... would your opinions be different if...

... it wasn't illegal?
... it was never referred to as a "drug"?
... you couldn't get arrested for doing it?

My response would be the same regardless.

From experience I would say pot is a great pain killer and excellent aid into self exploration - however what it does is make you content and accepting with whatever environment you are in, and therefore this lies the problem - you will be unwilling to better yourself, be lazy and badly motivated. the great escape - except you are not really escaping anything.

Not seen any evidence of long term ill effect tho....

[Harmonium]

I am actually more lazy when I don't smoke. I smoke because I enjoy it, makes me feel healthy, helps me relax and focus my mind. If I'm stressed or frustrated it's relaxing.

[xtremelady]

Different people - different experiences I guess.....although wasn't talking about lazy in sense of individual tasks but in generalist way of lifestyle, of not confronting issues in your life and creating the ability to move forward....

[Harmonium]

Well, for me, it's motivated me to create an income stream and sustain it. Now I have money for whatever I want to smoke plus more. The income stream has definitely benefited me in more ways than one.

For me sometimes things can seem daunting and I don't want to do anything at all. I've been in procrastination loops before and they can go on surprisingly long. Smoking for me is a good way stop thinking and just take the next step.

I'm not saying weed is universally great, but it works for me.

[Erin Pavlina]

Originally Posted by Digital Jack

Erin, I'm sorry you dont find this topic of any interest. Millions of people are dying all around the world because of intellectual bullies that refuse to open their mind to this possibility, yet somehow, you find the fate of some random-couple-you've-never-met's marrige to be more interesting? It's one of the most pressing issues at hand these days, especially with the recent re-discovery of the effectiveness of hemp oil.

When people come to you and honestly and openly ask about this, and you say "I just dont have any interest in this topic," I feel like you're giving every one your listeners a huge slap in the face, along with a great big "f*** you".

"Who cares if people needlessly die, I have a psychic business to run! I can't be seen as as pro-pot, or else people will stop trusting me and stop giving me money!"

HEY EVERYONE. EVERYONE KNOWS ERIN HAS NEVER SMOKED AND HAS NEVER ADVOCATED POT, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY HERE CAN VOUCH FOR HER ON THAT. NO MATTER WHAT OPINION SHE GIVES, SHE IS NOT A DRUGGIE, AND SHE IS NOT TELLING ANYONE ELSE TO GO OUT AND BE ONE.

...there Erin, I gave you a disclaimer, you may now freely express your opinion.

Whoa. Hang on. Jesus.

First, I never said I never smoked pot. In point of fact, I have smoked marijuana. I smoked it 12 times between the ages of 17 and 20 becuase my abusive boyfriend at the time was really into pot and wanted me to get high with him, and I did so as to avoid a beating. I liked pot, I loved how I felt on pot, but wasn't really into it, never smoked it again after I got out of my relationship, and I literally have no opinion. Don't assume that I don't care. Assume I have no interest in expressing my opinion. People can smoke pot, or they can choose not to. It's a choice, and I'm not here to tell people what choice to make.

As for the spirits, they couldn't give a rats ass about what people do to their bodies, as long as people understand the choice they are making and are willing to accept any consequencs that go with it. Guides are not judgmental pricks with holier than thou attitudes.

Please don't make assumptions about me without checking your facts.

[Harmonium]

He may have gotten it from my post earlier in this thread, just to be clear when I referred to teachers and gurus acting holier than thou, I was not referring to Erin

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by JeffistheAnswer

As I saw on an interview once, this one guy said that "pot makes you feel like you're really productive, when really you're not..."

Also, pot makes people feel like they're being really profound, when really they're not

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Also, pot makes people feel like they're being really profound, when really they're not

Kind of a sterotype. Weed won't even make you feel good unless you already feel good imo, or as a general rule it amplifies your emotional state, sedates you a bit.

Maybe mediators feel like they are being profound and deep when really they're not? How do you gauge that?

George Carlin came up with some pretty good stuff while getting high. Lots of musicians write good music while high. I myself find it's a good supplement to meditation.

Also, are you talking from experience? You could say I smoke medicinally for the most part, every day, and it makes me feel nice and healthy. It's rare I have the urge to just smoke myself into stupidity which actually takes me a ridiculous amount of weed.

So like as said earlier in this thread, it varies, different people, different experiences. What you are saying is that I have no ability to be profound or have profound thoughts? That's silly.

Why don't you demonstrate some profound thoughts? Or at the very least define them and explain how someone high on weed could not have them.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

George Carlin came up with some pretty good stuff while getting high. Lots of musicians write good music while high.

I suppose the question would be, would the creativity have been even better if they weren't high? We can't know!

Also, are you talking from experience?

Yeah, I'm one of those people who gets basically non-functional when it comes to pot. I tried to study once when I was high and discovered I was highlighting every sentence in the book because every sentence seemed really, really important!

What you are saying is that I have no ability to be profound or have profound thoughts? That's silly.

Why don't you demonstrate some profound thoughts? Or at the very least define them and explain how someone high on weed could not have them.

It was just a joke As in "A Child's Garden of Grass," where he says he went searching for the immensely profound note he wrote the night before when he was high and it read, "There's a funny smell in the room."

Amazon.com: A child's garden of grass (the official handbook for marijuana users)

[Harmonium]

Yes I suppose there isn't a way to know. Later in his life George Carlin was not heavily into doing drugs, he said all he needed was a hit off a joint and he would be typing material like a madman.

As for the non functional part, I've experienced that, I've gotten so high I couldn't play guitar. I think 90%+ of the time, especially teenagers, they overdo it, and when new people come to smoke with them they overdo it as well, doesn't make for the best possible experience.

I personally don't aim to completely toast myself, I love a bowl of weed in the morning, especially before a cup of coffee, it's a good relaxing start of the day, and then I do things whether work, reading, or play guitar. A nice weed buzz should only deepen your focus and emotions a bit, without noticeably inhibiting your intellect or ability to do things too much.

Though I found that note hilarious, I'd say that's safely the result of overindulgence haha. I wasn't sure you were joking, seems like a pretty popular stereotype, "dumb philosophical potheads". I just don't want to be stereotyped based on what other people do, guess that's unavoidable though.

Anyways if you ever try it again, take a couple of baby tokes and wait a while to see how you feel, I don't think I would like it if I every time I used it I become non-functional. Also, you probably won't get those mindblowing munchies if you don't overdo it.