Positive Astral Experiences (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Positive Astral Experiences

[backpocket]

Hmm...what I'd really love to do if I can astral travel is to go into a stadium and watch a football (or soccer, for you Americans) game, or even old games, LIVE! Screw TiVo. Imagine all the time and money I can save for the travelling.

[Blueskied]

I am currently reading Far Journeys by Robert Monroe.
So far all the contacts with the "astral entities" that are reported in the book are positive - they are friendly and helpful creatures.
I wonder why this is different to the Pavlinas experiences which often involve evil,demonic creatures. Is it because of the special and controlled AP induction techniques that are used in the Monroe institute. Or are the experiences in the book a different kind of OOBE than the ones of Erin P. and other astral voyagers?

[Erin Pavlina]

My earlier experiences when I was a teenager were decidedly negative. At 28 and beyond they became decidedly positive. When I was a teenager, I was inadvertently told by a well meaning boyfriend that my first astral experience was actually an attempt at possession. It sent me careening down a path of fear that attracted negative beings and experiences to me. That's why I shut down. At 28 (or so) I no longer had the fear and so my experiences were reflective of that.

[negate7o4]

Originally Posted by Blueskied

So far all the contacts with the "astral entities" that are reported in the book are positive - they are friendly and helpful creatures.
I wonder why this is different to the Pavlinas experiences which often involve evil,demonic creatures.

I have a question, I read that one of E. Pavilnas evil creature experiences included fighting a vampire. I was wondering was this vampire "Vlad the impaler"(Vlad Tepes) on witch the myth! of vampire is based in novels like "The Vampyre," by John Polidori. Or was this fictional vampire a buffy special one?
or was the vampire based on ancient greece and rome myths of "Lamia"(vampire) where a association of life rituals with blood and the fear of dying is made?

since a archetypal folk legends like the vampire manifests themselves in the astral world will Nessy and bigfoot be there 2?

I believe all astral world creatures and experiences will be positive since Astral Projection is merely a very high lucid DREAM!.

Every weird thing that happens to a human doesnt always have to be paranormal thing so why believe a fanatical and paranormal claims of AP when there are perfectly good normal explanations ->>>

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[MilesTyler]

Every weird thing that happens to a human doesnt always have to be paranormal thing so why believe a fanatical and paranormal claims of AP when there are perfectly good normal explanations ->>>

First of all what is "paranormal" and what falls into the category of "paranormal" is different for everyone.

Personally, I don't consider conscious astral projection to be in the realm of the "paranormal" because of the simple fact that it is part of my everyday life.
I have been practicing conscious astral projection for a long time and I have been helping others to develop their ability to do so for over 11 years.

Everyone has different beliefs and they view the universe from their own unique perspective through the filter of their own ideas and beliefs. This is usually based upon either their own personal experience, things that they have simply accepted as truth for various reasons, or a combination of the two.

It is futile to tell other people how to view reality or the universe in hopes that they will see things the way you do. Even people who share the same core beliefs and ideologies on some level hold a perspective and interpretation that is unique to them.

It is this diversity of perspective that keeps things interesting and it is part of how we consciously learn and grow.

[negate7o4]

Originally Posted by MilesTyler

First of all what is "paranormal" and what falls into the category of "paranormal" is different for everyone.

I have been practicing conscious astral projection for a long time and I have been helping others to develop their ability to do so for over 11 years.

First of i am only talking about paranormal in reference to this topic and nothing else. And what falls in paranarmol category for me IN this TOPIC! is the existence of creatures and demons in the astral plane. So take the entire scope of what i said in context not just the OBE part!

Second i learned how to OBE from a great friend of mine who also teeches alot of people. We see it from a differant viewpoint and from personal expierience its easy to teach someone how to AP(OBE) since its only mental meditation that needed. And from our viewpoint its not a Ability thats need to be devolped. And in no way whatsoever did i tell anyone to believe what i say is the truth because i cleary said in my post "I believe" if was expressing my opinions and facts about fictional myth about vampires and my knowledge of vampire folk lore and AP

and you are 100& correct everyone has their own perspective about the universe and i mearly expressed mine you have no obligation to see thing the way i do!

The Mind is a powerfull tool that not always fully understood.
And me and my friends base our assumptions of AP(OBE) on test that we have done in controlled circamstances and have came to the conclusion that the OBE was all in our heads not on the outside or the astral plane

[Erin Pavlina]

negate, why don't you describe your astral experience. I can tell you for certain that when I astral project it is not just a mental experience. There is mental projection and there is astral projection. Perhaps you have experienced mental projection.

[negate7o4]

i have experienced mental projection as i said. My astral experience begins with meditating before i go to sleep. While lying down i focus and i see intense red triangles thousands of them.(my experience differs allot from my friend who taught me) I focus only on one triangle. While doing this sound really gets intense for me sometimes it feels like it hurts physically. A big POP sound ends the intense sound and i end up standing next to my bed. Thus my OBE begins.

I have encountered allot of weird things while OBE like red eye wolves chasing me and a witch. I know what i experienced is mental since me and my friends did tests to see if this was something paranormal or mental some of us was experiencing. Some stuff that my friends experienced would have scared the crap out of me, but we concluded that the weird stuff is not something paranormal or contact with the astral world because all the weird stuff were primarily based on folk lore, myths and classical depictions of the fantasy based world of books and television.

[Erin Pavlina]

Interesting. When you find yourself standing next to your bed, do you see your body lying on the bed?

The astral vampire I saw looked dissimilar to classic folklorish vamps I have seen. Not outside the realm of possibility mind you, but not like a buffy vampire or a tv vampire.

[negate7o4]

I mostly see it lying down but there was a few times when it was sitting upright.
Something weird happened to my friend his physical body followed him but it always kept its distance never getting closer.

[MilesTyler]

Originally Posted by negate7o4

First of i am only talking about paranormal in reference to this topic and nothing else. And what falls in paranarmol category for me IN this TOPIC! is the existence of creatures and demons in the astral plane. So take the entire scope of what i said in context not just the OBE part!

Second i learned how to OBE from a great friend of mine who also teeches alot of people. We see it from a differant viewpoint and from personal expierience its easy to teach someone how to AP(OBE) since its only mental meditation that needed. And from our viewpoint its not a Ability thats need to be devolped. And in no way whatsoever did i tell anyone to believe what i say is the truth because i cleary said in my post "I believe" if was expressing my opinions and facts about fictional myth about vampires and my knowledge of vampire folk lore and AP

and you are 100& correct everyone has their own perspective about the universe and i mearly expressed mine you have no obligation to see thing the way i do!

The Mind is a powerfull tool that not always fully understood.
And me and my friends base our assumptions of AP(OBE) on test that we have done in controlled circamstances and have came to the conclusion that the OBE was all in our heads not on the outside or the astral plane

I was merely expressing my opinion and I meant no personal offense.
I am sorry if I came off sounding rude or harsh.

I used to want to believe that it was "all in my head" and for a while I thought that it might actually be the case. That is until I had the experience of visiting places and witnessing events in real-time that I later found out to be true places and events.

I have always kept a journal and immediately record my experiences when I return.
I have had the experience of observing my friends in different situations as they were happening. I would ask them about it later and they would be astonished and ask me how I knew or say something like,
"I have never told anyone about that!"

For me, that is all that I need for proof that it isn't just a mental experience.
It is true that the ultimate potential of the human mind is greatly underestimated.

Who knows? Maybe it is simply a matter of semantics. Regardless of whether conscious astral projection is an event that occurs within the mind or somewhere without, it is still without question a remarkable experience.
It is also an ability that can require a great deal of mental discipline for some people to master.
It took me several months of diligent meditation and steel minded determination to develop the skill of conscious astral projection and it can take other people years of practice.

Then there are those who require little to no effort at all to achieve it.

Also it is very hard to carry out an accurate controlled experiment with something that is so affected by a person's own predisposed beliefs.

I have never believed in demons, vampires, or evil entities of any kind and, as such, have never encountered any of these personally in all of my years of experience with astral projection. I have had encounters with other beings such as guides that have helped me to understand my experience a bit better.

I have found that if I verbally ask for "clarity" during conscious astral projection, I will see the energy behind the illusions that are built up around me due to my beliefs and expectations. I always try to go into the experience with as little predisposition and expectations as possible.

We are all unique and our experiences reflect that.

[negate7o4]

Originally Posted by MilesTyler

I used to want to believe that it was "all in my head" and for a while I thought that it might actually be the case. That is until I had the experience of visiting places and witnessing events in real-time that I later found out to be true places and events.

For me, that is all that I need for proof that it isn't just a mental experience.
It is true that the ultimate potential of the human mind is greatly underestimated.

thats where i differ. I needed prove. All the strange places i have seen and all the strange events that occurred. While being astonished about it, its not enough proof, Proof came to me when we did tests and couldn't accurately complete the tests.

1st test that we used, was to move a object on the hour, we also put randomly selected envelopes against the door of our rooms witch contains a number, we did it at random to minimize the effect of a subliminal messages coming through. There was times were i was sure i experienced real time events but the above tests just shattered my feelings about that

Unfortunately when a strange event or scenery occurs i cant ask someone to pin the tail on the donkey since I'm the only one that sees it. I also want to comment on observing your friends. Its a situation that we did 2 but was never 100% accurate and should have been! and the reason that we were not 100% accurate i believe to be the occurance of getting a mixture between sublinimal messages and habits, I say habits since we all know each other very well. I only once got a reaction "I never told you about that" was freaky and interessting Remarkable experience indeed!

And its easy to control a experiment you just have to assume all possible factors that can and does exist. Global consciousness can exist, subliminal messages can exist, mechanics of the brain and so many more. Filter in all these possible possibilities in your experiment and you will get fairly accurate results. but you must remember if you have missed something the results will not be accurate at all!

I think asking for clarity in a AP state is not a good experiment to validate your experience. Since a possible factor of AP is you are making it all up in your head Thus the asking for clarity can be made up unconsciously as well

After meditating i see allot of "energy" and it ons these energies that i focus on to achieve OBE. If I got more "i never told you that" responses my skepticism would be less but once is just not enough to proof anything

[MilesTyler]

But how do you know that your own doubts aren't what is keeping you from being able to achieve the things you are setting out to do in these tests?

I have achieved the very thing that you are saying your tests proved was not possible.
I have had friends set up things for me to see. Write things on paper. Set up cards and objects. Do random things at certain times.

I was able to observe these inanimate objects and events during my conscious astral projections and verify them afterwards. The thing is, I completely believed in my ability to do so before the experiment. I wasn't setting out to prove anything. I just did it because I knew that I could.
I also enjoyed the reactions that I received from the other people involved.
There was quite a bit of mouth dropping and head scratching.
I suppose you could say that was "proof".



Whenever I received this validation it did inspire me to test my limitations further. As I continued to explore my abilities, I found that those early tests were mere parlor tricks compared to the scope of what is actually possible.

I soon reached the revelation that I am the one who decides the limits of my abilities. After this realization, I found my purpose in helping others to realize this potential in themselves.

Whenever someone says that something is impossible or unachievable they are usually mistaken. What they are truly saying is that they have already defined and decided their own limitations.

Everyone draws this line in different places and some choose not to draw it at all. The wonderful thing is that it is never set in stone. We all are equal in that we all possess the same unlimited potential. We have only to realize it.

I suppose you could say that is my defining philosophy.
There are no limits beyond those which we place upon ourselves.

[Erin Pavlina]

Hang on, you put a number in an envelope? How were you supposed to see that in an astral state? Can you see through paper? When I'm astral I can't open an envelope in the physical world, take out a piece of paper, and scan it. My hand would go right through it.

In my astral experiences I've had both situations that Negate and Miles are describing. In some, I expected to see something a friend set up but I could not. And in some of my experiments I could. I never was able to discern why it worked in some cases and not others. But I didn't draw a conclusion from that; only determined more tests were necessary.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the astral realm and being in an astral state than I can discern on my own or even from reading other people's experiences. You must constantly experiment with an open mind. Be open to all possibilities.