Reincarnation and Population Growth (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Reincarnation and Population Growth

[Akashic_Librarian]

I never considered the sudden rise in incarnated souls, I wonder what relfection of consciousness that is??

[Dan.Linehan]

Funny, I was just reading up on population growth and sustainability this week.

Its ironic the same technologies that give us the ability to leave our home planet also granted us the capacity destroy it.

From Wikipedia,

Pimentel and Nielsen, working independently, found that the human population has passed the numerical point where all can live in comfort, and that we have entered a stage where many of the world's citizens and future generations are trapped in misery [2]. There is evidence that a catastrophe is underway as of at least the 1990s; for example, by the year 2000, children in developing countries were dying at the rate of approximately 11,000,000 per annum from strictly preventable diseases. [1] [2] This data suggests that by the standard of misery, the catastrophe is underway. The term 'misery' can generally be construed as: high infant mortality, low standards of sanitation, malnutrition, inadequate drinking water, new and widespread diseases (e.g. HIV), war, political unrest.

Regarding famines, data demonstrates the world's food production has peaked in some of the very regions where food is needed the most. For example in South Asia, approximately half of the land has been degraded such that it no longer has the capacity for food production. [2] In China there has been a 27% irreversible loss of land for agriculture, and continues to lose arable land at the rate of 2,500 square kilometres per year. [3] In Madagascar, at least 30% of the land previously regarded as arable is irreversibly barren. On the other hand, recent data shows the number of overweight people in the world now outnumbers the number of malnourished, and the rising tide of obesity continues to expand in both rich and poor countries.[4]

Sorry, I know this isn't a real upbeat post. Population growth is a rough issue.

[Hari.c]

So which is the most exiting place for soul, ether or earth?
Does the soul have to get some eligibility to incarnate or vice-versa?
Who is managing all the process?

[Michelle]

It is funny that you ask this. While I don't consider myself psychic, I do have a feeling/memory surrounding my incarnation:

I remember wanting wanting wanting so so so so so so so much to get the chance to incarnate for a long time, and I remember my complete joy and excitement at being told it that I could.

For this reason I believe coming to earth is a pretty special thing.

[Erin Pavlina]

Exciting is a matter of perspective. But if you're on Earth now, you chose to be here.

I wouldn't say eligibility per se, more like your higher self and some other beings determine when would be a good time, and have to work a little to line things up for you. You may pick out your parents only to find they suddenly decide to use birth control. so you have to wait until they "forget"

Who manages the process.... your higher self is definitely involved. And there are other beings whose job it is to help work people into the tapestry. I don't know who they are by name, but they are uniquely qualified to work this sort of thing out.

[yesyesyes]

The best explaination for this I read/infered from Far Journeys by Robert Monroe. Once souls from different planets get inticed to come here, they can't really stop incarnating here until they've accomplished the yearning to complete whatever they have to complete here and experience it all.

There are a lot of souls in the universe that have never experienced physical existance. Just like my Grandma saying there is no such thing as ghosts. Some nonphysical beings would believe 100% that there is no such thing as a physical being. So when they here about it, they want to experience it too. Foreign things interest everybody.

[backpocket]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

You may pick out your parents only to find they suddenly decide to use birth control. so you have to wait until they "forget"

I picked my parents Now that's a big cosmic joke. I think if I heard this when I was still a teenager, I'd kill myself.

Like, seriously.

[Erin Pavlina]

I think it's time for a blog entry on the hows and whys of picking our parents.

Stand by.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I think it's time for a blog entry on the hows and whys of picking our parents.

Stand by.

The whys of picking our parents? Might you be able to imply that it would be possible for someone to come to become a human without parents? I'd be extremely curious to figure out how that ties in with Christ's birth/resurrection...

Write that entry, Erin! Write!

[Dan.Linehan]

I'm curious why souls would want to incarnate into a ghetto / thug / criminal / starving environment. It seems like a lot of kids don't really get a chance when born into certain contexts.

Then again, some of the poorest nations are also surveyed as being the happiest. Go figure...

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Scott

Might you be able to imply that it would be possible for someone to come to become a human without parents? Write that entry, Erin! Write!

Been done.

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[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Michelle

It is funny that you ask this. While I don't consider myself psychic, I do have a feeling/memory surrounding my incarnation:

I remember wanting wanting wanting so so so so so so so much to get the chance to incarnate for a long time, and I remember my complete joy and excitement at being told it that I could.

For this reason I believe coming to earth is a pretty special thing.

I remember something like that too Michelle.

I seem to recall a lot of other souls jostling around in something not unlike a holding area before I came here. I'm not sure if they were waiting to incarnate in general or if it was for my parents specifically. I think I felt bad for them? I showed up late and I didn't wait long. I knew where I was going, it was my time and that's how it was.

I don't remember any real emotions about the process. I wasn't excited or fearful. It was very straightforward. I was going because that was what was supposed to happen.

I remember a gatekeeper of sorts speaking to me before I went, but I don't remember the conversation. It seems like he was not so happy that I had to go. There was some sort of promise.

Its a weird, vague memory.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

I remember a gatekeeper of sorts speaking to me before I went, but I don't remember the conversation. It seems like he was no so happy that I had to go. There was some sort of promise.

Its a weird, vague memory.

I remember the gatekeeper/guy in charge! But I was definitely excited beyond containment. I am so happy to hear that someone else has these memories!

[AirBreather]

Hmm.

I came accross a few possible "reasons" for this (via BBSH lectures & personal discussions)... One that struck a chord is that all humans (& all souled entities - essentially everything!) is part of an "oversoul." (Other ideas being that the soul/re-incarnation does not happen in a linear time path - be reincarnated at multiple times in the same span, future/past, etc...)

So... You have a person with their own spirt... Which is part of a larger divine structure. And... That structure can have more than one enpersonified manifestation.

Some "proof" of this was how people under past-life hypnosis had the same past lives... (Can be taken as evidence depending on what you think of past-life hypnosis experiences.)

So... A "soul mate" could essentially be another piece of you.

Thoughts?

[Erin Pavlina]

I personally believe we are all one. Like fingers on a hand, or cells in an organ in a body. Which is why I try to urge people to treat others how they would wanted to be treated, because it's just another piece of "you" walking around out there. Isn't there something in the Bible that says something like, "As you treat the least of my brothers that's how you treat me" or something? I think that alludes to the fact that we are all one.

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I personally believe we are all one. Like fingers on a hand, or cells in an organ in a body. Which is why I try to urge people to treat others how they would wanted to be treated, because it's just another piece of "you" walking around out there. Isn't there something in the Bible that says something like, "As you treat the least of my brothers that's how you treat me" or something? I think that alludes to the fact that we are all one.

Never actually read the Bible myself, but I believe the quote goes something along the lines of:

"Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me."

That was said by Jesus, I believe.

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

I'm curious why souls would want to incarnate into a ghetto / thug / criminal / starving environment. It seems like a lot of kids don't really get a chance when born into certain contexts.

Assuming the souls had this choice, I would think they'd place themselves there for the challenge of surviving or overcoming their circumstances. It seems like growth tends to speed up in painful situations. Maybe they wanted their entire life experience to be a time of (potentially) fast growth.

[Erin Pavlina]

People often choose to be born into poverty stricken or underprivileged households because they serve as a wake up call to strive and do better. How many rich kids do we see do nothing useful with their lives because everything was handed to them on a silver platter? Transmuting your own suffering and your own poor conditions is very helpful on the road to personal development.

Also, if life is a video game metaphorically speaking, would you really want to start out at level 50 with a vault full of gold or start at level one and work your way up?

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

People often choose to be born into poverty stricken or underprivileged households because they serve as a wake up call to strive and do better. How many rich kids do we see do nothing useful with their lives because everything was handed to them on a silver platter? Transmuting your own suffering and your own poor conditions is very helpful on the road to personal development.

Also, if life is a video game metaphorically speaking, would you really want to start out at level 50 with a vault full of gold or start at level one and work your way up?

Level 1 all the way. The game would not be anywhere near as much fun if you started off being able to do everything and everything. Tho, some people do love to hack their character instead of work for it.

Great analogy.

Adrienne

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

You may pick out your parents [...]

Hi, Erin. In another thread somewhere around here that I know I read but which I can't find now, you talked about doing a blog entry on how (and why?) people choose the parents they did.

As someone who has parents so toxic I changed my name, moved to the opposite side of the planet, and changed my nationality, I have long struggled with this concept. I've gotten to the point where I have forgiven them and cut all emotional/spiritual bonds to them, I'm pretty sure, but that's another topic, actually.

On some level, I do know and believe that the lessons I learned as a result of my childhood and the subsequent difficulties I had were worth learning, but I still struggle with the idea that I looked at that pair of dysfunctional, toxic people and went, "Yeah, okay, I'll have them and the abuse that will go along with them..."

So you don't have to answer in this thread, certainly, and I'm not asking for justification or anything, but your thoughts and insights would be welcome. If you're interested in doing that blog entry, I'll be happy to read it.

[Erin Pavlina]

Yeah I get asked about this a lot so a blog entry is undoubtedly forthcoming.

[John Freestone]

Surely another reason why it is wrong to assume that reincarnation should maintain a stable population is that (according to Hindu tradition, at least) we don't all come back as people or originate as people. Many incarnations are spent as lower animals and on various other planes of existence, and the nature of these reincarnations depends on our actions in previous lives. Similarly, the lives of lower animals will lead karmically to other incarnations, including human ones. So here's a theory: maybe in recent centuries there has been a rise in the moral fibre of earthworms, and our human population explosion is mirrored by a decrease in the earthworm population, as more of their souls migrate into human form.

Or possibly the whole theory is an ancient superstition, which 'mediums' (i.e. cold readers) still find it convenient to promulgate, or can't bear to reconsider.

After all, it is so hard to discriminate between a vision and a hallucination. In another blog on reincarnation, Erin, you say:

All I can tell you is that it will be fine and you’ll understand when you get there.

Thanks. I will go to my grave contented now. How much do you charge, BTW, if I need more help in person?

[blackisgray]

I believe everything happening now is a reflection of the greater consciousness. Maybe it's because we're at a relatively low state of consciousness, and this massive influx of souls is meant to get us to a higher consciousness? Or like Erin had said in a blog a while ago... that there's a possible radical change that's going to happen and everyone is trying to get in while they can.

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

I'm curious why souls would want to incarnate into a ghetto / thug / criminal / starving environment. It seems like a lot of kids don't really get a chance when born into certain contexts.

Then again, some of the poorest nations are also surveyed as being the happiest. Go figure...

What would you learn if you only picked 'comfortable' lifes?

[Ree]

Originally Posted by blackisgray

I believe everything happening now is a reflection of the greater consciousness. Maybe it's because we're at a relatively low state of consciousness, and this massive influx of souls is meant to get us to a higher consciousness? Or like Erin had said in a blog a while ago... that there's a possible radical change that's going to happen and everyone is trying to get in while they can.

OR....... maybe something fantastic is about to happen on Planet Earth and many, many are trying to get in on the fun!!

[blackisgray]

Originally Posted by Ree

OR....... maybe something fantastic is about to happen on Planet Earth and many, many are trying to get in on the fun!!

I think I like this one better.