Do you feel your body shake and tremble when you try to astral project ?

[nikodr]

Last night i was reading and browsing Erin's website and i wanted to learn how to astral project and felt that if i read those content and try as much as i can that could happen to me soon.

So last night rather lately I went to sleep with the inner thought that if something goes wrong or feel uncomfortable i should have some protection by acting the right way.

I go to sleep and i try to maintain my conciousness levels.And it works sort of.Suddenly i feel a kind of strong body shake like a small earthquake when i tried to sleep,at first i felt horrified but then i stoped fighting it.Then i heard a voice, a female voice actually saying "let's get in".I felt as if a kind of bad evil energy person was trying to get inside me.

Has anyone of you felt something similar ?Next my conciousness was remained and was not lost-in the sense that i knew i was going to sleep-,and then i start dreaming -kind of lucid dreaming-,-and that happened when i stopped fighting when the strong body shake started-

Then in the dread i was in my room and felt pressence of something very evil.
Now in that dream i saw some very lively enviroments.As i remember now i used some of the advice such as having a shield or sword and try to protect my self i tried to hug my self and let all evil out.

What do you think that woman voice was ?What kind of evil is there?Am i poweful enough to seek an aggresive fight with them ?I think of going to sleep next night and seek a very aggresive fight with whatever is there if it tries bad stuff,i dont want anyone to mess my sleep.

Now having read many dream forums they say that love is the solution for many stuff,i understand that and i try to express love to the figures that appear in my dreams-and it kind of work many times-,but is there any sense in loving and trying to express love to demons or evil figures that appear om such cases?

Many times in the past when i sleep i feel that my body is shaking very strongly and some very evil stuff a could be round me.
Kind regards

[wstein]

I do not Astral Project in the classic manner you describe.

Robert Bruce’s literature (and many others) describe exit vibrations as quite common. Apparently, spontaneous travelers and beginning learners experience them more than trained travelers.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by nikodr

Last night i was reading and browsing Erin's website and i wanted to learn how to astral project and felt that if i read those content and try as much as i can that could happen to me soon.

So last night rather lately I went to sleep with the inner thought that if something goes wrong or feel uncomfortable i should have some protection by acting the right way.

I go to sleep and i try to maintain my conciousness levels.And it works sort of.Suddenly i feel a kind of strong body shake like a small earthquake when i tried to sleep,at first i felt horrified but then i stoped fighting it.Then i heard a voice, a female voice actually saying "let's get in".I felt as if a kind of bad evil energy person was trying to get inside me.

Has anyone of you felt something similar ?Next my conciousness was remained and was not lost-in the sense that i knew i was going to sleep-,and then i start dreaming -kind of lucid dreaming-,-and that happened when i stopped fighting when the strong body shake started-

Then in the dread i was in my room and felt pressence of something very evil.
Now in that dream i saw some very lively enviroments.As i remember now i used some of the advice such as having a shield or sword and try to protect my self i tried to hug my self and let all evil out.

What do you think that woman voice was ?What kind of evil is there?Am i poweful enough to seek an aggresive fight with them ?I think of going to sleep next night and seek a very aggresive fight with whatever is there if it tries bad stuff,i dont want anyone to mess my sleep.

Now having read many dream forums they say that love is the solution for many stuff,i understand that and i try to express love to the figures that appear in my dreams-and it kind of work many times-,but is there any sense in loving and trying to express love to demons or evil figures that appear om such cases?

Many times in the past when i sleep i feel that my body is shaking very strongly and some very evil stuff a could be round me.
Kind regards

Did you feel like that you are being watched or someone is very near to you.??

Do you hear random voices??

By the way, for those vibrations they are tingling vibrations which is called state to leave body. If you look out for monroe articles, you'll find you need to practice more and control these vibrations to leave your body and to have astral journey.

[Alstar]

Originally Posted by nikodr

I go to sleep and i try to maintain my conciousness levels.And it works sort of.Suddenly i feel a kind of strong body shake like a small earthquake when i tried to sleep,at first i felt horrified but then i stoped fighting it.

These are the vibrations, they're quite normal for beginner projectors and you made the right decision by not fighting it.

Originally Posted by nikodr

Then i heard a voice, a female voice actually saying "let's get in".I felt as if a kind of bad evil energy person was trying to get inside me.

Now be careful how you draw conclusions here. It is very common to hear, feel or see things that aren't there when you're splitting. These things can be real or subconscious

Originally Posted by nikodr

Then in the dread i was in my room and felt pressence of something very evil.

It's possible, but you will have to describe in more detail exactly what it felt like. Since you are new to astral projection you won't be used to extra-physical senses (unless you're psychic) and so you might misinterpret some feelings.

Originally Posted by nikodr

Now in that dream i saw some very lively enviroments.As i remember now i used some of the advice such as having a shield or sword and try to protect my self i tried to hug my self and let all evil out.

Don't know what to make of this. If your experience was dream-like then that means your clarity was low and you are much more susceptible to subconscious influences which can obscure your experiences to the point of unrecognisability.

Originally Posted by nikodr

What do you think that woman voice was ?

If she was real then probably a spirit.

Originally Posted by nikodr

What kind of evil is there?

That depends, there are varying degrees and it shouldn't be that common to encounter unless you are attracting it.

Originally Posted by nikodr

Am i poweful enough to seek an aggresive fight with them ?I think of going to sleep next night and seek a very aggresive fight with whatever is there if it tries bad stuff,i dont want anyone to mess my sleep.

I don't know anything about your own personal abilities, but the average person is not able to win in a direct fight against them. There are other methods to fight them though. I'm not the person to instruct on this but maybe Erin has an article on it somewhere. In the case of you definitely sensing/feeling "evil" then this indicates quite a powerful being. My issue here is that meeting such beings is relatively rare, which is why I think it's more likely that your subconscious was distorting or fabricating the experience. This is VERY common in beginner experiences, especially near the split. I'm not saying your experience is definitely fake, but it's likely you might have distorted it to a degree. It's also not impossible that you'd meet any negative beings on your first encounter. I myself actually encountered a powerful negative being on my first projection.

Originally Posted by nikodr

Now having read many dream forums they say that love is the solution for many stuff,i understand that and i try to express love to the figures that appear in my dreams-and it kind of work many times-,but is there any sense in loving and trying to express love to demons or evil figures that appear om such cases?

I'm not sure, but certainly feeling negative feelings only fuels their power over you. If you spend a lot of time in negative emotional states then you need to correct that. I doubt that positive emotional states will directly repel them, but it does help you to not run into them so often since your emotional state will not attract them, and you will naturally be drawn to places of a high energy if your own energy is positive. In such high energy places, negative beings cannot tread. The opposite is true if your state is negative, so be careful how you manage your emotions and energy.

Originally Posted by nikodr

Many times in the past when i sleep i feel that my body is shaking very strongly and some very evil stuff a could be round me.
Kind regards

The shaking is normal, but please try and be very clear and honest with yourself; are you absolutely sure it is another presence, and are you absolutely sure that the feelings of evil are coming from someone else, and are not being generated by you?

[Pando]

I've had practically the same exact experience as you.

This was around 3 years ago when I had hardly read up on meditation, or found this website, or really knew much about spirituality at all. I did however do yoga on a regular basis. After an hour and a half class, all the lights were shut off and we were in the resting pose. My mind started wandering and creating images. I envisioned energy coming off from every human on this earth and joining this one universal energy which looked like a soul in the form of a body. The soul was floating over Earth and was deeply relaxed. Then somehow my body started shaking out of control. It felt like violent shakes and trembles and that's when I felt fear. Across my eyes flashed an extremely angry face of what can only be best described as a Hindu god. This is when I started crying and screaming in my head, "I'm not ready for this". The crying and tears did not seem like any I had experienced before. It almost just felt like water being released out of my eyes. The next feeling was that there was something incredibly evil in the room and that I needed to calm down and wake up. Once I regained my breath, everything was fine and the feeling that there was something evil also went away. But yeah...I've never been able to figure out what it was and I've never been able to experience that again. At least you know you're not the only one!

[nikodr]

Originally Posted by Alstar

These are the vibrations, they're quite normal for beginner projectors and you made the right decision by not fighting it.

Thanks,i read it that you must not resist it when it happens otherwise you can't stop it.

Originally Posted by Alstar

Now be careful how you draw conclusions here. It is very common to hear, feel or see things that aren't there when you're splitting. These things can be real or subconscious
It's possible, but you will have to describe in more detail exactly what it felt like. Since you are new to astral projection you won't be used to extra-physical senses (unless you're psychic) and so you might misinterpret some feelings.

Let me tell you some stuff of my past.
Around the age of 16-17 i started having lucid dreams.Back then i had the ability to know that i am dreaming,and it was easy for me to fly,walk like transparent being,teleport,bring people that i want if i open a door,change knightmares into what i like,talk with same dream characters that appeared on many dreams,and my dreams seemed to last hours not minutes.

Next part of my dream developement were the sleep paralysis effects.You see i was diabetic my biggest fear was that i would go to sleep and not wake up if i had low blood sugar.I think this led me to be unable to sleep properly and many times i was in sleep paralysis effect,in the sense that i could see (barely able to keep my eyes open because when this happened the eyes tried to shut down),and very little control to move my self.

But here comes the doorway to out of body,shortly after the sleep paralysis started,i begun to experiance out of body experiances.When my eyes were shut down (because in sleep paralysis no matter how much you try to keep them open shortly after usually they close),i saw the same images as when i was awake.

That was very strange in the sense that usually when you dream or lucid dream you create the imagenery world,but when this happened i could not control the room i saw,it was the same like i was asleep plus some other imagenery figures that i felt,shortly after that i could move in the room,feel that i was not moving but floating in there.And the reason i know this was out of body is that i when i flew to some destination (i was in love with a girl that time,i used to fly in my dreams to her house to see her,or make love to her ,i remember that the distance and the buildings i saw and the roads,were pretty much like in reality,and i kind of knew i only had 4-5 minutes to go there otherwise i could wake up.

The difference between this and lucid dream was that every energy i felt in the lucid situation i could control it,,in the out of body i could not change what i didnt like,it seemed to me like i had very little control in the landscape of the dream but had enormous strength to fly,teleport,levitate,telekinisis of objects etc.

This lead me also to false awakenings,many times i wake up to go in the kitchen to eat something or go to the bathroom to pee,and then i wake up in my bed,try the same,go to other room,oops i wake up again.!Sometimes i counted up to 5 false awakenings.This was cool,after some experience i managed to know when this was happening.


So years passed and since i was 21 years old i had very few of them,mainly because i had irregural sleep patterns,(until 2001 i was sleeping every day at 10:30 pm and wake up at 7 after that i changed it ).Some personal problems as mostly irregural sleep patterns lead me to be unable to have so strong stuff like the ones i described you.

Having felt how it is to be out of body,i can certainly assure you ,that kind of energy was evil,it was not good.If it was my subconcious creation i could have easily changed it by being lucid,and even if not,i have the ability of controling the outcomes of dreams,something that has never abandoned me even when i lost the ability to be lucid all the time is the questioning and love of characters.

When i see a strange character or dream thing that is attacking me or wants something i ask "who are you ,what do you represent of me,and then i hug and tell i love you ,you are part of me".Usually that makes aggresive characters change and be something that loves you back.I remember doing this to all the characters except 2.One is a very stubborn shadow character that appears in my dreams and when i ask him "who are you ?" he replies "why should i care to answer to you ?" and dissapears.And the other is a freddy krueger style dream figure bad ass that refuses to talk and all the time we fight aggresively,scare other dream figures and changes what i dream.

But recently i knew that aggresive dream characters may be a brain visulization,something that the subconcious mind wants to make you me and feel,so by taking the needed actions in my daily life to change aspects of my personality i managed to be able to beat him and make him respond in the dreams.

Now in that situation with the body shake,i felt i was unable to change the bad energy and make something good,i felt concentrated evil on that i was not creating,i felt was in an unknown place that was hostile for me.

Now something else i am not a religious person,i respect other's choice to have a god or believe,i honor sacred places like churces and i try to never insult others of their internal beliefs but like Steve Pavlina says here 10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion i am not a person that believes so much in god.

However the dream stuff that is happening plus my experiances in that area make me believe that indeed there must be something else that we call soul.

[Errantes]

Amazing! For a while I've been researching about people that had felt the same experience or had an explanation, with no luck so far.

What I describe as a "body high" or being jacked to a 10 000V power outlet happened to me on only 3 occasions in my lucid dreams, and something close when I was in a deep meditative state (deep from my point of view).

Had I known it could lead to astral projection, I would've jumped on the occasion! It's always been a deep wish of mine, but never had the chance

next time it happens, I know what to do now

Thanks!

[Alstar]

Originally Posted by Errantes

Had I known it could lead to astral projection, I would've jumped on the occasion! It's always been a deep wish of mine, but never had the chance

Astral projection is a matter of skill, not of chance.

[Errantes]

Actually, yes, for some people it's so much easier. And not just astral projection. The whole spiritual package. Some are natural, they're born with it.

So.... yes, it is! Skills alone won't cut it sometimes

[Alstar]

But why are they naturals? It's still not chance, it just looks that way. I've done the research myself in the hopes of finding what makes those natural projectors so natural at it and replicate it. I found that either they developed their skills over time and are now very good at it (skill), or they were raised in an environment which nurtured such gifts (lucky bastards, but still skill). The truly exceptional cases are the ones who did neither latter nor former and still manage near-effortless projection consistently throughout their lives. I haven't got a proper conclusion on them yet, but it seems to be more about wiring than anything else.

Whatever the case, each of the three types of natural projectors still have to rely a great deal on skill. Ask them, they'll say so themselves.

[Errantes]

yeah well what I meant is that having felt (I believe) the same kind of vibrations myself in some very vivid lucid dreams, I could have had the "chance" (not equal to "luck) to try it if I knew what it was.

That's all.