Demons, Entities, and Possession Oh My! (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Demons, Entities, and Possession Oh My!

[Tola]

Erin thank you so much for this extremely valuable information, I feel like you wrote this just for me

As you know from my other postings I have recently been dealing with an NEA that attached to me. It took quite some doing to get him to go, and its been a real learning experience for me.

Tola

[JJP]

Is it possible for low-vibration spirits to try to masquerade as your guides?

Because, this is super freaky to me...
Just today, I was meditating, right. I was asking for guidance about what to do. I was trying to look in my heart, but what I sensed and saw didn't feel right. It was like a mischevous, compulsive voice/vision. So I asked my true guides, the angels, and my higher-self to help me and for any "fake" guides to go away. Then my body vibrated and shook. And then, this is the weirdest of all to me, I had the thought that it seemed like a curse was broken. I did feel lighter, in a way.

I didn't know what to make of that... maybe a curse was broken, maybe I did "exorcise" something. So I decided to go on Erin Pavlina's website, I thought, "maybe she knows something about this, or I can ask." And lo and behold, the first post on your blog, posted today, is about this very topic. Pretty cool

[The Unconquered]

Demons are evil sons-of-bitches that seek only to hurt and harm tasty folks like us.

You know when Erin starts cursing, she's dead serious about this. I'm glad her post helped people so far. I probably could have used the advice myself a few years back.

[Erin Pavlina]

I feel like I definitely need to do an educational on who you're connecting with and how to know if it's a baddie or a goodie.

Bottom line is... keep your vibration high, go to your sacred space, block out the negative forces, get your chakras in order, practice psychic self defense, know your guides' energies, get comfy with your higher self, learn how to call on angels, and keep the door closed on bad guys. (there, that looks like the outline of a nifty little audio program)

[Bing Wu]

Sounds like a great idea, Erin! Maybe make an audio program with an accompanying e-book, and sell it for $66.60

[Erin Pavlina]

hahaah, yep sounds about right

[Tola]

Mark me down to buy that as soon as its available! I am serious, there is very little information about this sort of thing out there and I have been looking. Psychic Self Defense is a great topic for a book/tape/dvd or whatever. I am still struggling with my problem NEA, he is oh-so-stubborn and its just very discouraging. I thought he was gone but sadly, I was wrong Its hard not to be discouraged but I am trying hard to keep my vibration up and not give in to negative feelings.

Erin you have a way of putting things so it seems less scary and threatening. This experience has been super disturbing to me, but you have made it seem like a fairly normal occurrance, which makes me feel better. Thanks for that...I will be so very happy once this issue is resolved for me completely and this "freeloader" is gone for good.

Educational materials would be a really good thing...for me and anyone else in this situation, and also to help people from ever getting into this situation to begin with.

Tola

[slumberland]

Tola,

I once knew a Christian church that specializes in this kind of thing. (I did not experience what you are experiencing but I saw it in other people).

They have locations all around the world, and they might be able to give you some guidance over the phone.

Each branch is different, the people I knew never tried to convert me and they helped people who were completely broke - I don't know what other branches are like but where I went they could not be more authentic.

Every Friday night they would banish demons - it was crazy, yet real.

This is the link to their world headquarters in London. There are people who say it's a cult but honestly, I did not experience anything like that at all. And I'm not a Christian. And I never have been.

By the way, they would say to call on Jesus to protect yourself against these entities, and I think Erin has said this too though she also offers many other approaches. They only believe in calling on Jesus. Okay here is their link:

: : Welcome to the UCKG HelpCentre

[slumberland]

Here is a book written in the 1920's by Dion Fortune, called "Psychic Self-Defense."
The first reviewer recommends other books as well:

Amazon.com: Psychic Self-Defense (0824297631514): Dion Fortune: Books


And here is a link to a Christian based book about Demon Possession called "Possessed Believers."

Amazon.com: Possessed Believers (9781932124125): David Higginbotham: Books

A few minutes later:

Okay now I'm adding this one that the first reviewer suggested, it looks really good:

Amazon.com: The Llewellyn Practical Guide To Psychic Self-Defense & Well Being (Llewelyn Practical Guides) (9780875421902): Melita Denning, Osborne Phillips: Books

[Tola]

Thanks Slumberland, I will have a look at those links.

I mostly am able to keep my vibration up during the day to a point where I cant hear my "visitor". But during the night when I try to sleep, I guess my vibration drops. I havent found any information yet as to how to maintain a high vibration and protect myself while sleeping. I am awakened frequently though the night with him trying to talk to me, so I have to keep the radio on all the time to try and drown him out. If anyone has any insights I would appreciate knowing them...

[jayh]

Good stuff Erin! I just had my second "vivid" lucid dream the other night, and encountered a dark figure. I was basically just staring straight ahead at a window, and then I began to realize that I was dreaming because I knew I was looking through my closed eye lids... As soon as I made this realization and "woke up" in the dream, a dark figure turned it's head from the other side of the window, in shock as if it were amazed at my new-found knowledge.

So I promptly flew off down the road - lol, and went to Disney World and flew around! That was the first time I've been able to actually change my dream world to something I consciously wanted to do.

Also, I had a "semi" lucid dream where I was flying down a hill, and I was soaking in white/yellow light, almost like flames. It felt like the light was healing me - quite wonderful! I wonder what that was?

[Erin Pavlina]

Tola: you might try sleeping with a light on for a little while. that blocks the frequency. And do you have my audio program on raising your vibration? Good stuff in there. Listen to my meditation at night before you go to sleep and he probably won't get through. Also, ask your guides to guard you and not let him past. Ask the angels as well. And take your power back, don't talk to him, banish him. Be strong.

Jayh: cool lucid dreaming! Hard to say exactly waht the dark figure was without being there myself. So it didn't follow you into the ohter parts of your dream? consider yourself lucky. I've played cat and mouse in my lucid dreams many times with some conscious dark baddies.

[jayh]

Nope, it didn't follow me - In fact, I almost think I scared it! However, in the first lucid dream I ever had I was watching my son, but when I went lucid, his eyes turned black, and he ran off from me. I chased him, but when I caught up to him he turned around and looked at me with very scary black/red eyes.

The funny thing is - I was actually trying to astral travel this second time. As I was flying around, everything was very foggy and dim. When I woke up, it was very foggy outside! I still think it was just a dream though, as I have gone astral once before (I think), and it was much more "real" feeling than the dream...

Honestly, after reading this article, I'm a little timid to try it again - at least not until I'm sure I'm in the right vibrational state!

[Tola]

Erin I was just looking at your audio program and I am going to buy it. I think its just what I need. And thanks for the suggestion of leaving a light on at night. I was wondering if there are any crystals or candles or anything else that I could keep by the bed that might ward off his vibration/energy?

I have received several conflicting instructions regarding my ghost. One person said to continuously tell him to go away and demand that he leave, etc. Another person said dont ever talk to him directly, but keep asking my guides and angels to come and take him away. This ghost is a real trickster. He loves my attention and he knows when I am listening. He played out a whole scenario where he made it sound like someone (a guide maybe) was trying to convince him to go with him and they were arguing back and forth. It went on for a while until I could see it was him doing both voices. He has done that sort of thing before. It would almost be funny if it werent so annoying.

I cant help but feel a bit bad for this guy. See, when I thought it was D, I kept telling him I loved him and asking him not to leave me, etc. and that is what he wants, is love. He keeps sneaking in and telling me he loves me, wanting me to think he is D so I will say I love him. If I say "I know you are not D", he admits "I'm not D but I still love you", and he says he wants me to love him. But when I tell him to go away he becomes angry and insists he will never leave me and then it deteriorates to where he is threatening me and says terrible things. I guess I sort of created my own monster in a way. I have to believe he will eventually give up when he doesnt get what he wants from me. But how long will it take?

I appreciate your suggestions and encouragement Erin and I will try the audio.

[PracticallyIntuitive]

Hi everyone,

Erin, this is a good post and definitely needed. When I do readings for others, if I hear certain words to start, I know that person has astral entities hanging around them and I work to shuffle them off to their next "right plane of existence". They are, as you said, harmless suckers of someone's energy.

I'm glad I've never had the demon thing present itself (and Universe, take note, I'm not asking for them!) but yeah, so not something to play around with at all.

For many years, I had the idea that I wouldn't even believe they existed - why give energy to that thought form? Then I was directed to read and study some information about it. When I asked my Guides why I'm being shown all this, they replied "You just need to know it's out there. You needn't do anything else." Uhh, okay.

(waves to everyone - I'm new here on this forum. Just wanted to jump in and say hi!)

[Erin Pavlina]

Welcome Practically Intuitive!

Tola: I would say stop talking to him. it feeds his energy. You are probalby a naturally gifted medium/psychic and you need a conduit guide if you're going to connect with otherwordly beings. My conduit guide, Bob, keeps everyone out unless I specifically need them to be there for a reading. In the meantime, use your guides and angels to keep him away. I don't think a candle or crystal will do too much unless you use it ritually to sort of "cast a spell" that creates a barrier between you and him.

[Angela]

Are you not using a perspective of Oneness? If you are, how do you reconcile the existence of evil sons of bitches who are "out there" and entities who can move your soul aside as they settle into your body, something to avoid at all costs?

[Erin Pavlina]

I can feel at one with a murderer but I'm not going to stand still while he slides a knife across my jugular. I can feel at one with a black widow spider, but I'm not going to let it bite me just because it wants to, tasty though I am.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I can feel at one with a murderer but I'm not going to stand still while he slides a knife across my jugular. I can feel at one with a black widow spider, but I'm not going to let it bite me just because it wants to, tasty though I am.

Here you are speaking of behavior, and taking a stand for the behaviors that don't work well for you.

But in your blog post, you speak of these entities with judgement of who they are, and loads of resistance. You're making an identity-level limiting decision. If you are One with an evil son of a ♥♥♥♥♥, you are being present to the aspect of yourself that is an evil son of a ♥♥♥♥♥. What is it about yourself that you judge so harshly and resist so mightily? What is it within yourself that, if you were to transform it, the evil would disappear?

I've spoken with many people who experienced negative entities "out there," and without exception, the "cure" was to resolve the inner conflict. Transforming how that entity occurs for you can remove the problem entirely.

Kind of like how the little boy in "The Sixth Sense" took care of his ghost problem.

[Tola]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Welcome Practically Intuitive!

Tola: I would say stop talking to him. it feeds his energy. You are probalby a naturally gifted medium/psychic and you need a conduit guide if you're going to connect with otherwordly beings. My conduit guide, Bob, keeps everyone out unless I specifically need them to be there for a reading. In the meantime, use your guides and angels to keep him away. I don't think a candle or crystal will do too much unless you use it ritually to sort of "cast a spell" that creates a barrier between you and him.

OK I admit, I am new to all of this. What is a "conduit guide" and how do I find one?

[Erin Pavlina]

A conduit guide is a guide assigned to a professional intuitive who helps the intuitive connect with other people's guides so he/she can read for their client. They prevent unwanted energies from interfering with the reading, and they help to maintain the intuitive's energy so she isn't drained after doing so many reaidngs in a row. You get a conduit guide by asking for one and by demonstrating your willingness to be an ethical and honest conveyor of information coming from the other side. I was not introduced to my conduit guide for several months, but once he came to me, everything got much much better. Now I'm "on" during readings, and "off" when I'm not reading for others. Saves me a lot of energy drain. Conduit guides also help you tune in to the proper channels instead of just letting your tuning dial run amok with anyone who wants to talk with you.

A conduit guide is a must, in my opinion, for anyone doing intuitive work that goes beyond just doing it for themselves.

[Tola]

Oh thank you Erin for explaining that, I definitley want to find a conduit guide!

Tola

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by Angela

Here you are speaking of behavior, and taking a stand for the behaviors that don't work well for you.

But in your blog post, you speak of these entities with judgement of who they are, and loads of resistance. You're making an identity-level limiting decision. If you are One with an evil son of a ♥♥♥♥♥, you are being present to the aspect of yourself that is an evil son of a ♥♥♥♥♥. What is it about yourself that you judge so harshly and resist so mightily? What is it within yourself that, if you were to transform it, the evil would disappear?

I've spoken with many people who experienced negative entities "out there," and without exception, the "cure" was to resolve the inner conflict. Transforming how that entity occurs for you can remove the problem entirely.

Kind of like how the little boy in "The Sixth Sense" took care of his ghost problem.

Transformation does involve destruction (deconstruction) and re-creation.
If something was considered "good", then you'd leave it be. No need to destroy and recreate it.

To transform something, you'd have to pass some judgement on it first in order to decide that you want to transform it, right? Otherwise you'd just leave it be as it is.

I think that when Erin talks about keeping your vibration high to avoid these things, in effect it's the same as working on yourself to transform your external projections.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Lionman

To transform something, you'd have to pass some judgement on it first in order to decide that you want to transform it, right? Otherwise you'd just leave it be as it is.

No, you don't have to pass judgement to effect transformation. You can simply evaulate whether or not it works for you, and choose to transform it. You can transform how someone occurs for you after judging them, but not while you're judging them. When you judge someone at an identity level, whether that someone is a physical being or an etheric one, you are making a limiting belief -- you are limiting your own influence and effectiveness. Your ability to transform their occurrence is limited by your own belief that they are limited.

By the way, transforming someone's occurrence involves leaving them be as they are. You transform yourself, not the other, although you can transform how they occur for you. Their transformance (or not) is their business.

I think that when Erin talks about keeping your vibration high to avoid these things, in effect it's the same as working on yourself to transform your external projections.

"Avoiding" bad or evil entities by keeping your vibration high (or by any other means) is a way of limiting yourself and maintaining an illusion of separateness. If you're working on yourself by maintaining a perspective of being at the effect of things outside yourself that are evil and bad, you're working to keep yourself limited, separate, and at effect, rather than being 100% responsible and at cause. That's fine -- there's nothing wrong with it, and it may very well be one's best bet in a given situation. But Oneness it ain't.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by Angela

No, you don't have to pass judgement to effect transformation. You can simply evaulate whether or not it works for you, and choose to transform it.

Excuse me, but I'm missing the difference here between what's considered a judgment and what's considered an act of evaluation. Could you clarify? Thanks. :/

@Erin: Thanks for the blog post, although I have not personally experienced anything of the sort, or at least the effects of which could be explained under something more ordinary, I'll keep the information in mind if an when I do.

[Lionman]

Originally Posted by Angela

... If you're working on yourself by maintaining a perspective of being at the effect of things outside yourself that are evil and bad, you're working to keep yourself limited, separate, and at effect, rather than being 100% responsible and at cause. That's fine -- there's nothing wrong with it, and it may very well be one's best bet in a given situation. But Oneness it ain't.

Yeah, I get you.

I was just thinking like, say I'm doing some DIY and putting up a shelf unit and I do it 'wrong', so it's at a 'bad' angle. I've created it, I'm responsible etc. It's not evil or anything per say, but it just doesn't look too hot so I judge it / evaluate it or whatever as 'bad'.

I take responsibility for my haphazard creation, take it down and put it back up again at the correct angle. Step back, judge it as good and am now happy that my shelf unit looks good, cause it's a reflection of me at the end of the day (it's in my house, and reflects my DIY skills).

It may not be the ideal manifestation of oneness, but probably my best bet in that given situation. Which to be honest probably isn't that different than dealing with any of your other wonky creations, e.g. dark astral entities.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Excuse me, but I'm missing the difference here between what's considered a judgment and what's considered an act of evaluation. Could you clarify? Thanks. :/

Sure. In the context of being at cause in your life (100% responsibility), an evaluation is about noticing that your choices, both conscious and unconscious, have gotten you the results you've gotten, accepting the reality that you are present to (as opposed to thinking thoughts of how it should be otherwise, or how it shouldn't be the way it is), determining if it's working well in your life or not, seeing its' positive purpose as best you can and intending a win/win outcome, distinguishing what you might choose differently now, and choosing.

A judgement is deciding that someone or something IS wrong, bad, evil or so on at the level of identity. When you decide that, you kill off the possibility of getting positive learnings for yourself (you limit yourself to merely being at the effect of it, like avoiding it, killing it, fighting it, etc. -- which eliminates other inspiring choices like generating freedom or love in a conversation, etc.)

Your thoughts about another don't mean anything at all about something apparently outside yourself, like another person or etheric entity, just as their thoughts don't mean anything about you. That includes both judgements AND evaluations. I tend to prefer evaluations, because they provide MORE choice, more opportunity, and more flexibility in making a positive difference than do judgements. Evaluation is simply a more powerful tool, in my view, to get the results one wants. Especially if one is using a perspective of Oneness, in which judgement tends to really have you shooting yourself in the foot.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Lionman

Yeah, I get you.

I was just thinking like, say I'm doing some DIY and putting up a shelf unit and I do it 'wrong', so it's at a 'bad' angle. I've created it, I'm responsible etc. It's not evil or anything per say, but it just doesn't look too hot so I judge it / evaluate it or whatever as 'bad'.

I take responsibility for my haphazard creation, take it down and put it back up again at the correct angle. Step back, judge it as good and am now happy that my shelf unit looks good, cause it's a reflection of me at the end of the day (it's in my house, and reflects my DIY skills).

It may not be the ideal manifestation of oneness, but probably my best bet in that given situation. Which to be honest probably isn't that different than dealing with any of your other wonky creations, e.g. dark astral entities.

Yes! You recognize that the shelf itself is not inherently bad or evil; it's simply not how you prefer. So you notice and accept how it is, you evaluate what doesn't work and what you have the power to change, and you make your choices. Free of labeling it as bad or evil, you grant yourself the freedom to get more extraordinary learnings from it, too -- like how you might approach a similar project next time, or feeling grateful to the shelf and the project for making growth available to you, etc.... you can look at the shelf and feel good about it, even before you fix it -- as opposed to that feeling you get when you look at something "bad" -- something that *should* be other than what it is. You're free to be totally present and enjoy your home, and still feel powerful, free, influential, and confident in your capacity to make changes that work well for you.

And by doing so, you also generate all that for your family and guests, too -- they get to be inspired by how good you feel, by the scope of your project, the humor you get in it, and the effectiveness you generate in creating a good-feeling home.

[Melchior]

Thanks Angela, and I agree with you on this too.