2012

[jer]

Now I see why some people think 2012 is the end of the world,
because the planet Nibiru will be very close to Earth and its gravitational
pull will effect us.

Are you ready? The Time is near! - Google Video

Is this planet really real?

Its orbit is supposedly 3,600 earth years, so what happened 3,600
years ago on Earth.

[babuji]

It seems like everyone's worst fear is that of death.. and how we could potentially 'die' in 2012.. however, with that said, I find it much more empowering to take a step back and trust in reincarnation.

Say all these bad things DO happen, it doesn't help us to get all twisted in a knot with fear. If you truly believe that your true nature(soul) as eternal, then there's absolutely nothing to be worried about. No matter what happens on the physical plane, we'll still maintain our astral forms.. so we're not going to 'die'...

Now isn't that much more empowering??

[jer]

Well, my intention is to live a long time physically, so I can meet these aliens
and travel with them in space and learn from them. That will be a fantastic adventure. So whatever happens in 2012, I'll be ready.

[Seth]

Most people who have heard about 2012 think the aliens are going to save us.

Yah, just like we're "saving" Iraq.

Here's what's really going to happen: http://montalk.net/alien/35

At the height of World War III, aliens will come from the sky offering to end mankind’s fear and suffering. By our own free will, we will accept their New World Order, and all human consciousness will finally become “One.” Of course, the aliens are already here and have been planning this all along. In 2012, we will become their hive-mind slave once and for all.

Beware aliens bearing gifts! Haven't you heard of Christopher Columbus? Or Americans spreading the gift of Democracy?

Evil is real, and pretending it can’t affect your “subjective reality” is just hiding under the covers. I'm not sure how to take action, but I'm going to figure it out and do it.

I'm not sure if I believe aliens are going to take over the world, but I'm ready to fight evil regardless. Gimme my light sword.

[Theobinomy]

I'm curious as to what Carlos Castaneda would have to say on the 2012 issue. Honestly I don't know a lot about him, but I find his words and works very compelling. He followed the mexican shamanic tradition. If anyone knows if he had a take on the issue I would be thrilled to hear about it.

[Julia.Ru]

In 2012 there will be aliens' invasion (didn't you watch The X-Files?)

[Anagogy]

If nothing does happen, there's gonna be some awfully embarassed channels. Then again, if something does happen, there will be some awfully embarassed skeptics. Either will amuse me. Moral of the story is: don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Heck, they might not even be chickens...

[Tuumble]

I must say that I found it tough - as did a lot of people in the UK - to take David Icke seriously. He was a soccer goalkeeper for Coventry City and then a 'housewives favourite' sports presenter on the BBC before becoming a so-called prophet in a rainbow coloured tracksuit!

As for 2012 I don't know. Predictions often seem to be twisted to suit new circumstances. I remember reading that Nostradamus foretelling the world's end in 1999 and yet he has suposedly predicted events since. It doesn't stack up.

Of course 2012 in London Olympic year and knowing London as I do there are a few potential targets in that part of the city which, if hit, could have a catostrophic effect on people, not only in London, but across the world.

We can only deal with what we are faced with. As long as we are not careless and put ourselves in a dangerous situation we just have live the best we can.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by sourceofmiracles

[edit: correction on confirmed... predicted]




If any thing, it will likely be a Solar Storm like the one predicted by
Nasa. (NASA - Solar Storm Warning)

Famed Remote Viewer Ed Dames (ret. major) also predicted something like this. He calls it "killshot". He's compiled it in a DVD explaining the solar fare and what parts of the world it will likely devistate. The DVD is $24.95 LOL (Why you would attempt to capitolize on something you believe will wipe out half humanity is beyond me.) Maybe its bullshit.
...

That's exactly what more people should be asking about Ed Dames and his students. If you have information that could save lives, would you really withold it for the cost of a DVD? I watched that video on youtube and there wasn't any info on it anyway. It was really short and filled with footage of the Hawaiian beach where he lives. A total ripoff. The only specific prediction he made was that a NASA launch would be delayed or cancelled due to some weather phenomena or something like that. He said that when that happens we should know that the time is near. Whatever.

Some background on Ed, he did take part in the Stargate program (Remote Viewing) for the government, but everyone else made fun of him because he was always making doomsday predictions no matter what the subject was. They even nicknamed him 'Dr Doom.' Also I hear that he didn't follow instructions for the technique.

[OlderWiser]

Well, having lived through Y2K (and I was working in IT at the time, so it was something I heard a LOT about), I must say, I don't get too worked up over anyone or anything that claims to know some specific magical date on which something is supposed to happen.

I knew perfectly well that planes weren't going to fall out of the sky and the world banking system was not going to crash and we weren't going to have a "Mad Max" style dystopia on 1 January 2000, but the amount of hype generated was astounding. Religious zealots (because, of course, God is totally constrained to act on a calender set up by human beings, and having lots of zeroes in a number makes it really, really important ), technophobes of all sorts, people just trying to make a buck on the whole thing....

In fact, I was pregnant in 1999 and when I went to do the initial paperwork for my hospital admission, they actually gave me a pamphlet about Y2K and suggested that I could bring a torch (flashlight) and various other things with me "in case of emergency". I actually laughed out loud at that, and the hospital administrator looked quite relieved that I wasn't some weird panic-stricken woman who actually thought I'd need a torch in my labour bag!

So the whole 2012 thing just makes me think, "Oh, yeah, right, whatever."

Doomsdays have come and gone for eons. I happen to have experienced the Y2K Doomsday, but as I've read a lot of history, I'm well aware of many other supposed Doomsdays that came and went.

I'm comfortable in my believe that 2012 will be only moderately different from 2011 and 2013, and about ten years different from 2002.

It would be very interesting if some great spiritual change for the better happens in that year, or, in fact, in any year. I'd love to see that. I'm not going to put too much energy into worrying about 2012, though, personally.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by OlderWiser

Doomsdays have come and gone for eons.

We've never had the power to wipe ourselves out like it like we do now with current technology (weapons and plague)

[bellbird]

That's right.

We've never had the power to wipe ourselves out like it like we do now with current technology (weapons and plague)

Atlantis ringing a bell though? Incas come and gone. It's likely that there have been civilisations before us on this planet. I find that crystal skull story interesting, the one that should have been made with a technology not available in the older days etc.

Now with Bush, nukes, geen pool mucking, Dolly sheep expos and what not it's a miracle we're all still here... Hurrah to us
I like the (rough) quote of Calvin and Hobbs (USA Comic): "The surest sign that alien life exists is that none has tried to contact us." Brilliant.
Let's hope we all have the brains to stop killing ourselves and this planet.

[OlderWiser]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

We've never had the power to wipe ourselves out like it like we do now with current technology (weapons and plague)

Oh, I'm not saying that humanity won't do something that stupid. I'm just saying I don't put any stock in picking some specific date for it to happen. The "guess the date of Armageddon" game is just a bit of a bore to me, I suppose you could say.

[Calculusaurus]

The whole 2012 thing came directly from the Maya calendar. I think many people have terrible misconceptions about what 2012 actually represents.

The Maya calendar takes on the form x.x.x.x.x. Today's date, for example, is 12.19.14.6.2. Tomorrow's date is 12.19.14.6.3. From left to right, the base of the digits is 13, 20, 20, 18, and 20. So if today is 12.19.14.17.19, then tomorrow would be 12.19.15.0.0. A Gregorian date in December 2012 corresponds to 12.19.19.17.19 -- the following day all digits will reset to 0, i.e. 0.0.0.0.0.

(Some sources say this is December 21 2012, I think, but the Gregorian to Maya conversion is not precisely known; there are two possible conversions, which are two days apart, but we don't know which is correct due to lack of historical evidence.)

As far as we know (and we don't know much), the resetting of the calendar did not necessarily imply a Norse-like Ragnorok. Rather, it represents a new age or new creation (think The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan).

In my humble opinion, any other "theory" regarding 2012 is gibberish; just like any other conspiricy-like theories, they exploit the psychological tendency to overemphasize the suggestive "coincidences", while completely overlooking the mountain of logic and evidence that goes against the theory.

So, in all likelihood, 2012 will just be another year.

If you do believe this 2012 stuff, then you might as well be consistent (for goodness sake :P) and also accept other aspects of Maya mythology and cosmology. In other words, get your ropes, because you're going to be stringing them through your penises as a sacrificial bloodletting ritual to Quetzalcoatl next time Venus is at heliacal rising...

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by Calculusaurus

The whole 2012 thing came directly from the Maya calendar. I think many people have terrible misconceptions about what 2012 actually represents.

The Maya calendar takes on the form x.x.x.x.x. Today's date, for example, is 12.19.14.6.2. Tomorrow's date is 12.19.14.6.3. From left to right, the base of the digits is 13, 20, 20, 18, and 20. So if today is 12.19.14.17.19, then tomorrow would be 12.19.15.0.0. A Gregorian date in December 2012 corresponds to 12.19.19.17.19 -- the following day all digits will reset to 0, i.e. 0.0.0.0.0.

(Some sources say this is December 21 2012, I think, but the Gregorian to Maya conversion is not precisely known; there are two possible conversions, which are two days apart, but we don't know which is correct due to lack of historical evidence.)

Great info on how the Maya Calendar works. That really cleared up for me why people thought the world would end in 2012, i didn't really understand what evidence they were using for that.

Thanks for the info

Adrienne

[Sam988]

Oh well Nostradamus missed the date of ze endd of da worldd by 12 years.

Almost on spot

[stomph]

Hey everybody!

David Icke's 'Freedom Road' is up on YouTube. Split up into 10min bits...all 3 DVD's.

This gives quite a good overview of his view of the world, albeit being already a couple of years old, I find it still quite fascinating, inspiring and empowering!

David Icke tells the astonishing story of how the world is controlled today by "royal" bloodlines seeded in the ancient world that have passed through history, manipulating the human race for thousands of years. The bloodlines that were the kings and queens of the distant past are the same bloodlines that today produce the political leaders and those who control the banks, transnational corporations and media.

Using hundreds of illustrations, Icke exposes this biggest secret and explains how and why we are now racing towards a global fascist state - unless we wake up fast. He also offers the spiritual (not religious) road to freedom and says that we can transform the world and our lives by transforming ourselves and understanding our true power to design our own destiny.

What has happened? What is happening? What can happen? All is revealed in this eye-popping, mind-blowing, heart-pounding, program.

enjoy!

[A GROWING MIND]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I'm not sure if you're addressing this to me specifically but since I get asked this a lot I figured I'd respond.

I have heard all the speculation about a big transformation coming that year and something to do with the Mayan calendar. I've also had "the dreams" that supposedly come with this coming event.

I don't know enough about the prediction to comment on whether I think something big is going to happen or not. But I do think we, as a people, are headed for a big transformational event related to consciousness. Just not sure when.

I have also heard a lot about the Mayan calender and how it was so accurate they could predict planetary movements thousands of years off or something like that. All I really have heard is that life as we know it will change, ive heard that a lot of scientists believe that earths poles will switch as it does every so many years, and that will cause outrageously bad weather killing off almost everything. The part that sucks for me is that the Mayan calender says this will all happen in 2012 on the winter solstice (Dec. 21) which just so happens to be my birthday. So if it is going to happen it could be the day when I was brought into this life and also taken out of it.

[Kaspian]

When I was a teenager, my family and others in our area believed that the end was near.

We had dreams/visions of what would come, found evidence of what was coming in a variety of sources, and laid out a timeline for the events we expected. It was a lot of fun; we had frequent meetings with similarly-minded people discussing what was coming and how to prepare, stashed large quantities of food and other supplies, and attempted to convince our neighbors that the Last Days were close. When there was no major earthquake in our area in April of 1992, we decided that the "prophecies" were of a "spiritual earthquake," and kept on believing for a while. Eventually, it was clear that we were wrong.

Having already gone through that experience, I tend to take "end of the world as we know it" predictions with a grain of salt. There was a benefit, though: it got us out of organized religion.

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

You have to remember, America is only about maybe what, 100 years old?

Try around 250 years old. Anyway, this is all crazy, I don't believe anything major is going to happen in the year 2012. No big doom and gloom disaster or ultimate spiritual awakening. You know why? Because there is no real evidence. None of those crazy reptile theories can be verified. There is no point stressing about it.

[Chet]

Some fun reading on the 'end of the world' if you are into it.

It's The End Of The World As We Know It...Again

[Old Soul]

I've been thinking about the futur of things to come too... ( justthoughts not predictions)

In the early 90's I was constantly plagued with the word "apathy" I kept feeling that people were losing hope and falling to apathy... only now we as a human race can not efford to do this...... it is like this apathy blinded us to some real dangers of the envirment, now we are forced to see the issues which is good

which leads me to what I think is a possibility / to happen.... How about a new governing body forming, a large group of people of all walks of life , with power and money and voice , made up of all types of people -( scientists enineers, etc.... actors musicians, to force our present governments to deal with green house issues, pollutants in our lakes and rivers...... all areas of natrual resources to help us make our world better

only this one is going to force all members of political parties, across the globe
to be accountable to the enviroment.......as well as accountable to us as a tax payer

this group will have alot of support , it might be viewed like the senate from star wars.

what do you all think ?

[Megan]

Bumpity bump

[Old Soul]

the internet, for example, I think is the biggest revolution since the printing press and the impact hasn't even begun to be felt.

totally agree with that!! It is the biggest link between people, it is like the world is plugged in and in download..., that is of course as long as the computers don't all go down :-) what a calamty that would be