Fighting Supreme Evil (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Fighting Supreme Evil

[Shaden]

What a great story Erin and an absolutely lovely concept. Although I'm curious as to why you were ranked No. 10 and managed to fight your way to the top in place of all the rest

One thought; as I was reading the post I got the impression that the spirits in your dream were more conscious beings rather then creations of your own mind. In other words this didn't read like a lucid dream, it read more like an astral projection. That's interesting. Perhaps there's more behind the experience you had then the realisation of love's unstoppable power.

[KellyM]

I loved this story. So uplifting and sweet. It reminded me of the climax of one of my favorite children's books, A Wrinkle in Time. I haven't thought of that one in ages. I'm going to reread it tonight!

[Erin Pavlina]

Shaden: Conscious beings in my dreams are definitely something I've been exploring for years. I'll write more about that soon. And no one was more suprised than me to make it all the way from 10 to 1. I didn't witness the battles between the others so I don't know how they fell.

[carenkh]

I didn't witness the battles between the others so I don't know how they fell.

Just a thought... it happened that way because it was your dream. The other 9 (10?) may have also fought the number 1 evil in their dreams... it's all perspective, right?

Very timely entry... I was just discussing with a friend last night "dark energy". It's something neither of us have felt the need to protect from. In our reiki work, it's come up from other practitioners that they have to protect themselves from a person's dark energy... I've always felt like I don't need to protect myself; it will either affect me, or it won't. If it does, there's something inside me I needed to look at, to see why I would attract that into my life.

I was telling her that's how I've believed, but I've never consciously talked to spirit guides/higher beings in my work, until I started reading Erin's blog and forum. I was saying now that I'm incorporating that (interesting word! incorporating) into what I'm doing, (learning how to do so) I wonder if that need to protect myself will come up. Time will tell....

[siamesesilk]

Erin, that was an amazing story! Have you met with that same guide again? It interests me if you have encounters with the same guides in your dreams again at another time.

I have been trying lucid dreaming for a few months now, and it does help if I wake up and quickly go back to sleep (say sleeping in a bit later on a Saturday morning). I can remember where in the dream I left off, but I seem to "forget" in my dream that I can control things or that I could actually be conscious in them. Even if the dream is strange and I don't understand what any of it means it makes me feel good that I can actually remember parts of them. I will keep trying. for some reason though, if I am in a tough situation or if something scary starts happening I always remember to wake up immedeately. Some sort of panic comes over me and my eyes open. It seems so strange to me that I can actually remember to do that when I'm afraid, but not remember that I can try to do other things in my dreams.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Wow I nearly cried reading this. I can sense you left like a psychic image in the story, I can see it al, I can see the fights happening, can I ask Erin. Did it feel like you where connected with everything, when you channeled the love? Did it feel like you wore armour made of pure light?

[Erin Pavlina]

Akashic Librarian: Yes I felt like every molecule and atom of me was vibrating with pure love energy. It was intense and profoundly beautiful at the same time. Safe. I felt so safe. Like nothing in the universe or infinity could harm the real me.

Siamesesilk: During those teen years that same guide was with me a lot. I think at the time I named him Jiminy but I am really not into the whole naming thing; it's just a human construct to understand specific energy signatures.

Caren, I am sure that Good-1 fought Evil-1. Not sure about all the others.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Thats amazing Erin, I have felt that feeling once, maybe twice before but not on the scale you describe.

[JJH]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Conscious beings in my dreams are definitely something I've been exploring for years. I'll write more about that soon.

hmm, Conscious beings? So, you DON'T believe in Steve's Subjective Reality? Or are you just referring to the "projections of your own consciousness" as "conscious beings"??

I am of the opinion that we that other conscious beings DO exist...

[Erin Pavlina]

Other conscious beings as opposed to dream characters.

Inside the dream is a microcosm of what I perceive as my own consciousness, not shared by others.

We're just a ship in a bottle. Inside that bottle, you can perceive other beings. Like, fingers and a hand. To a finger, another finger seems like a different projection. But when you get down to it you realize you're all part of the same hand and not at all separate.

[DiscoDan]

You have an amazing way of bringing vivid imagery to life through your writing. This was absolutely beautiful.

[Jill]

Yes I felt like every molecule and atom of me was vibrating with pure love energy. It was intense and profoundly beautiful at the same time. Safe. I felt so safe. Like nothing in the universe or infinity could harm the real me.

Love. So powerful. So simple. It’s right there for you to channel whenever you desire. Fighting does not defeat evil. Only love has that power. The next time you find yourself challenged by hopelessness, fear, and self-doubt, try to channel love.

Erin, have you tried to use this at all in your waking life?

It sounds like such great advice. I'm going to try to put it somehow into practice. Shouldn't take long to need to use it as we all seem to feel that hopelessness, fear and/or self-doubt more often than we'd like!

[Erin Pavlina]

Sometimes I have felt something close to that level of love in my waking life. Usually it has been around Steve or my kids.

[Maitreyee]

That was a very reassuring dream

[Megan]

That was awesome, Erin! And very well written.

Did you ever have a sense that the top Evil was a part of you?

See, in that case, we could all have that dream with the same results.

I don't think evil is "out there," I think it's "in here," and we need to outgrow our tendency to project and scapegoat. Holographic Universe, and all that.

Thanks for a great blog!

[Rosie327]

It sounds sort of like the love that born-agains speak of feeling, but as you said it's part of every major religion. And it would make a way cool video game. Maybe we can combine it with biofeedback to teach us all how to tap into that love from Source.

[Narz]

Funny, in my dream all the "evils" were women.

[rono]

Erin, that was an absolutely awe-inspiring dream--so epic and full of lesson. Really amazing to have had such a dream but, then again, you have put yourself through the "boot camp" of lucid dreaming and so it's natural for you to have experienced it. Thank you for sharing something that had such an effect on you personally.

[Mike DeWitt]

Hi Erin,

I happened upon this at just the moment I needed it today! Thank you for the wonderful gift of story (and you are a gifted story teller).

Mike

[carenkh]

Woke up this morning feeling a little... hopeless, and frustrated with myself for recent choices. I tried to turn that around by being grateful, focusing on what I'm grateful for... but I was just annoyed by everything! Remembered to sing "I will be gentle with myself" chant, which helped. (I will be gentle with myself, I will love myself. I am a child of the universe, being born each moment...) THEN I re-read this blog. So, NOW I'll be filling myself with love, just loving those previously unlovable parts of myself. Thanks for the reminder.

[Megan]

So, did you see the dream the way I did, carenkh? Namely that Supreme Evil is not "out there" but "in here" as I suggested earlier?

A common method of dream interpretation is to consider all characters in the dream as aspects of one's self.

So, the more 'evil' the character is, the more that aspect of ourselves is alienated from our consciousness. So Supreme Evil would be the thing we most disown from our self image.

As Pogo said, "We have seen the enemy and he is us."

A side issue: regarding Erin's not having to fight some of the numbered Evil Ones: in EFT, there is a phenomenon called "collapsing issues," wherein, if you take out several "table legs," as it were, the whole table falls, for lack of support.

There can be hundreds or thousands of such SPECIFIC EVENTS underlying a larger issue (table top) and thus, theoretically, addressing them all can be a tedious process.

Fortunately, you do not have to address every SPECIFIC EVENT to collapse the larger issue.

You can usually do the job by collapsing somewhere between 5 and 20 of those table legs. This is because there is usually a commonality or "general theme" among all those SPECIFIC EVENTS. Thus, after appropriately collapsing a few of those table legs with EFT, a "Generalization Effect" occurs that serves to collapse ALL the legs.

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That was my take on Erin's not having to fight all ten of the Top Evil Guys, but I don't know if she would see any light in that.

It doesn't detract from the drama and impact of the story, IMO, to have it take place intrapsychically.

And it also fits hand-in-glove, I think, with Steve's recent blog:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...relationships/

It's not that evil doesn't exist, but in this subjective, holographic, takes-one-to-know-one, hall-of-mirrors reality, we can only ever really deal with our own evil.

Yeah, and I should definitely practice what I preach....

[Megan]

By carenkh, 02-19-2007 10:55 AM

Very timely entry... I was just discussing with a friend last night "dark energy". It's something neither of us have felt the need to protect from. In our reiki work, it's come up from other practitioners that they have to protect themselves from a person's dark energy...

I've always felt like I don't need to protect myself; it will either affect me, or it won't. If it does, there's something inside me I needed to look at, to see why I would attract that into my life. ...

I wonder if that need to protect myself will come up.

I think that is a key issue, and I hope Erin addresses it some time.

If the "outside evil" is just resonating with the "inside evil" which is not integrated, then do we need to protect ourselves from it, or just love our "inside evil" and integrate it with our more resourceful loving essence, thus "collapsing" the "outside evil"?

Erin had no "protection" from Supreme Evil--none of her skillful tricks worked. Love was her only shield.

Edit: Well, maybe Erin already answered my questions with the "fingers-and-hand" illustration, but still it's not entirely clear to me...have to think some more about it.

[Erin Pavlina]

I will indeed address that issue when I have a little more time. Going through some challenges this week with my internet access.

[Tasaio]

Wait, are you saying Evil's throne is now unoccupied...ripe for the taking?

More seriously, something stood out. Why were all of the evils male? Is there no such thing as an evil female? Perhaps the already-defeated evils were female?

But, in the end, No. 1 evil was still male. In other words, the ultimate evil is male in nature.

This concerns me me for obvious reasons (being a boy), and it would also contradict Erin's previous claims that we are genderless entities. Surely evil would not be a "him" but rather an "it"?

I've encountered so many man-hating women in my life, that I cannot consciously accept that women are "good" and men are "evil". Even Steve referred to god as "She", though. Maybe he was talking about Erin?

[Megan]

I know you're asking Erin, Tasaio, but it sounds like you're coming from a dualistic paradigm: Good and Evil.

I am dualistic in a sense, in that I think that evil is a real phenomenon in the world, as is good.

It's in where we 'choose up sides' that I am beginning to differ.

In a holographic universe, how do you choose up sides, when you are a reflection of the whole, as is everyone else? The "throne of Evil" is our collective heart. Same with the "throne of Good."

As far as the evil being male, lots of very feminine women project their masculine sides on to men, and very masculine men project their feminine sides on women, it is said by Jungians, etc.

Both the Masculine and the Feminine have their "terrible" aspects, but, in general, great violence and destruction at the collective level have been masculine projects, so it may be more likely to see Supreme Evil as masculine, as also we see the wrathful Jehovah as masculine.

But...just thinking out loud...who knows?

[Erin Pavlina]

Perhaps I should have said masculine energy instead of male.

I'll tell you this, the supreme evil didn't feel human. But the other ones I fought did.

[Tasaio]

Originally Posted by Megan

Both the Masculine and the Feminine have their "terrible" aspects, but, in general, great violence and destruction at the collective level have been masculine projects, so it may be more likely to see Supreme Evil as masculine, as also we see the wrathful Jehovah as masculine.

But...just thinking out loud...who knows?

Megan,

Let me just say that I agree with you: aggressiveness and violence are definately associated with masculinity.

I also agree that Jehova is described as the typically violent, wrathful male figure of mythology.

However, violence is not the only trait associated with men.

Courage, strength, honesty...these are also associated with men.

I'll make a list of (stereotypical) male traits:

Good male traits:
courage
strength
honesty
endurance
wisdom (for older men)

Evil male traits:
violence
anger
ruthlessness
gluttony
laziness
(...and the list goes on like this)

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In contrast, I'll make a list of stereotypical good and evil female traits:

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Good female traits:
compassion
kindness
love
gentleness
insight

Evil female traits:
manipulation
lust
power-hungry
controlling (many modern TV mothers are control freaks)
pampered

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What I'm trying to show is that certain traits may be associated with a particular gender...

...but that same gender is associated with so many other, worthy traits.

You can't look at the list of evil male traits alone; you have to take the good ones into account as well. Likewise for the female traits.

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For example:

Violence is associated with men.
But manipulation is associated with women.

Which of these two negative traits is the more evil?

Who is more evil, the king who conducts a series of murders(Macbeth), or the queen who whispered the suggestion in his ear (Lady Macbeth)?

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I've just had a thought...

Maybe it has nothing to do with Erin's conscious views on male/female. Maybe it's natural for someone to envision evil as being the opposite gender.

Supporting this, a male poster said that, in his dreams, it was the women who were evil.

Maybe it's less a conscious projection, and more a case of associated "evil" with the unknown (the opposite gender).

[Megan]

Oh, Tasaio, I totally agree. I should have said it this way, "Both the Masculine and the Feminine display benevolent as well as malevolent aspects."

By Erin, Today 01:06 PM

Perhaps I should have said masculine energy instead of male.

I'll tell you this, the supreme evil didn't feel human. But the other ones I fought did.

Well, "masculine energy" wouldn't have had nearly the punch, I think, Erin. It was such a powerful piece, that I, for one, think it should stand on it's own two feet here.

Also the fact that the supreme evil didn't feel human should stand on it's own two feet, it feels like to me, intuitively.

So, back to the drawing boards: is there, in actuality, a supreme evil being in the universe, a la the Bible? And did Erin take at least a nick out of him in her vision/dream?

I am deliciously confused.

[Rosie327]

Originally Posted by Megan

Oh, Tasaio, I totally agree. I should have said it this way, "Both the Masculine and the Feminine display benevolent as well as malevolent aspects."



Well, "masculine energy" wouldn't have had nearly the punch, I think, Erin. It was such a powerful piece, that I, for one, think it should stand on it's own two feet here.

Also the fact that the supreme evil didn't feel human should stand on it's own two feet, it feels like to me, intuitively.

So, back to the drawing boards: is there, in actuality, a supreme evil being in the universe, a la the Bible? And did Erin take at least a nick out of him in her vision/dream?

I am deliciously confused.

The way I understood the dream, the top 10 good people on earth were up against the top 10 baddies on earth. So Erin was still fighting foes from our mortal plane - albeit highly advanced ones.