Can you affect things on the physical plane while you are astral? (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

Can you affect things on the physical plane while you are astral?

[AuspiciousEight]

That's really interesting Erin.

I wonder if it would be easier for someone who is astral to effect, say, the outcome of a random event generator (like the one's they used in the PEAR program).

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Logically, I would think it would be easier to do this than, say, to move a penny or some other small object.

[jayh]

I've only "gone" astral twice I think, but never been able to do anything like this obviously... I am curious though what relationship there is between the physical and non-physical plane. For example, in what I think was my second experience, I could see the bedroom I was in, but the door was open (some kind of shadowy figure was standing in it), but then when I came back, the door was actually closed...

[Erin Pavlina]

Things can definitely get a little wonky on the astral plane. I remember one time not being able to see my glass of water on my nightstand even though I knew it was there. Then again, it was dark in my room and seeing glass is probably tough even with physical eyes, in the dark. I ran into my father on the stairs once though, and in the morning he confirmed he was indeed physically walking up the stairs at about the same time I was flying down the stairs.

[MyEyeIsOpen]

My wife and I used to project at each other during certain "intimate" moments. That's the only success we've had.

It really puzzles me though, how the perception works. Physically speaking, it should be impossible.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

The first (and still the only) time I astral projected, I jumped through a window and flew around my house. I noticed something interesting while jumping through the window. You see, the window was covered by a curtain. When I leapt toward the window, I expected to go right through it because of all the accounts of astral projection I had read. While I did go through the window as if it was a hologram, I found myself pushing the curtain out of the way! Now, on some occasions when I have felt the presence of an astral entity near me, there have been curtains, hanging sheets, tapestries etc in the general vicinity that moved despite the lack of a draft. I think very light and pliable things can be effected by the astral realm and though no one was present when I had my astral experience (it was 3am) I am certain the curtain moved a little bit. The important thing to remember here is that I did not intend to have to move the curtain. I thought I would float right through it. Instead I had to nudge it out of the way. It draped over my body and eventually fell off when I was fully out of the window.

Food for thought

[Sologretto]

I've had a few interesting TeleKinesis moments in my life (Stopping a car I was driving from 45mph in about 15 feet without skidmarks - Tossing stuff around a room while in a rage without touching it), but I have yet to learn to access it without desperate need or rage. While spending a LOT of time practicing, I've also learned that by accessing enough pain I've been able to start fires (Pyrokinesis).

My model regarding this stuff utilized multiple different "kinds" of energy and treated them as if they were actually different energies. I didn't contemplate that just as IR, Shortwave and Microwave are all merely a different frequency vibrations of light, Anger or Fear might be able to allow us to "lower our astral vibration" low enough to effect the real world.

So here's a potential topic. How might we lower our astral vibrations enough without entering Fear or Anger? On the Astral when you reach those low enough levels of Fear and Anger there are many "other things" that find us "Interesting" which I'd rather not have to deal with on a Consistent basis...

What about Kundalini? Might Sexual Energy be "Long Wave" enough while still being "in light" to allow access without having to deal with some of the less kind stuff?

Alternativey... Perhaps the issue isn't merely frequency, but Amplitude (Amplitude modulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). With lower Frequencies in Radio it's MUCH easier to get more effects with less Amplitude. Perhaps if there is an equivalent of Amplitude in Astral Work the issue is merely that it's a lot easier to reach necessary Amplitudes in Anger than from Love. However with practice and effort it might become possible to reach those Amplitudes with "higher frequency" emotions.

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I'm assuming it's obvious that I've done a LOT of Astral Projection, but I've always been more interested in dealing with this world. If figure if I wanted to play around in the astral I wouldn't have chosen to become Manifest a Body and a life. If I could find a way to effect things in THIS world from an Astral Excursion I'd be MUCH more interested.

[Sologretto]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

The first (and still the only) time I astral projected, I jumped through a window and flew around my house. I noticed something interesting while jumping through the window. You see, the window was covered by a curtain. When I leapt toward the window, I expected to go right through it because of all the accounts of astral projection I had read. While I did go through the window as if it was a hologram, I found myself pushing the curtain out of the way! Now, on some occasions when I have felt the presence of an astral entity near me, there have been curtains, hanging sheets, tapestries etc in the general vicinity that moved despite the lack of a draft. I think very light and pliable things can be effected by the astral realm and though no one was present when I had my astral experience (it was 3am) I am certain the curtain moved a little bit. The important thing to remember here is that I did not intend to have to move the curtain. I thought I would float right through it. Instead I had to nudge it out of the way. It draped over my body and eventually fell off when I was fully out of the window.

Food for thought

I've played with this stuff from a less psychic/scientific standpoint and more of a "magick" standpoint for a while now. We've noticed that the more emotion that goes into something on the physical the more likely it will be to be "real" on the astral. An empty house that had never been lived in didn't exist on the astral, however an empty house with a long history was solid enough that we needed to go through a window. Was there some reason a lot of emotion might have gone into the Curtains?

Walls seem to require someone spending a lot of time emoting about how the wall is a solid barrier. I don't know why, but we have noticed that windows or doors don't tend to become "real" enough to be barriers on their own. This is why we perform rituals to "shield" our properties and put extra focus on the Windows and Doorways. By putting focus and energy into deciding that the walls, windows and doorways are solid barriers we endeavor to build a barrier that effects multiple "layers". It would be interesting sometime to see if some consistent Astral Projectors would be willing to test different "Shielding" techniques to see which ones keep them out on different layers. :-) Unfortunately Mind-state and Emotion seems to be very important to creating good shields so a technique is usually less important than the state of the performer. Thus a technique that worked once might not work the next time.

This results in the need to test ones work carefully. Ironically if testing with the mindstate of "It worked, I'm just shoring up places that could use it" mistakes are never noticed because they are fixed in the process of testing.

IF (BIG IF) this is a useful way of perceiving things, how could we begin to develop more consistantly functional tests and systems to have the results from the works?

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Sologretto

I've played with this stuff from a less psychic/scientific standpoint and more of a "magick" standpoint for a while now. We've noticed that the more emotion that goes into something on the physical the more likely it will be to be "real" on the astral. An empty house that had never been lived in didn't exist on the astral, however an empty house with a long history was solid enough that we needed to go through a window. Was there some reason a lot of emotion might have gone into the Curtains?

Walls seem to require someone spending a lot of time emoting about how the wall is a solid barrier. I don't know why, but we have noticed that windows or doors don't tend to become "real" enough to be barriers on their own. This is why we perform rituals to "shield" our properties and put extra focus on the Windows and Doorways. By putting focus and energy into deciding that the walls, windows and doorways are solid barriers we endeavor to build a barrier that effects multiple "layers". It would be interesting sometime to see if some consistent Astral Projectors would be willing to test different "Shielding" techniques to see which ones keep them out on different layers. :-) Unfortunately Mind-state and Emotion seems to be very important to creating good shields so a technique is usually less important than the state of the performer. Thus a technique that worked once might not work the next time.

This results in the need to test ones work carefully. Ironically if testing with the mindstate of "It worked, I'm just shoring up places that could use it" mistakes are never noticed because they are fixed in the process of testing.

IF (BIG IF) this is a useful way of perceiving things, how could we begin to develop more consistantly functional tests and systems to have the results from the works?

The curtains are somewhat new, put them up last month and they came straight out of a factory produced box. However the tapestry I have that moves has probably belonged to several people, got it at some old hippie consignment shop in Woodstock Vermont. Now that I think of it, there may be traces of free love on it

[ClareDragonfly]

Erin, are you saying that Ghost is a documentary?

[Weena]

I have an astral travel question, but I'm unsure if i should post it here. If you find it not to be at the appropriate place, please remove it, no worries.

Is it okay to astral travel whilst pregnant? I feel like i almost managed to once (it felt like a light version of me was trying hard to wriggle out of my body), and was hoping my soul could meet the new baby's soul and have an exchange.

Or is it something that shouldn't be 'played' with?

[Mynder]

Originally Posted by Sologretto

I've had a few interesting TeleKinesis moments in my life (Stopping a car I was driving from 45mph in about 15 feet without skidmarks - Tossing stuff around a room while in a rage without touching it), but I have yet to learn to access it without desperate need or rage. While spending a LOT of time practicing, I've also learned that by accessing enough pain I've been able to start fires (Pyrokinesis).

My model regarding this stuff utilized multiple different "kinds" of energy and treated them as if they were actually different energies. I didn't contemplate that just as IR, Shortwave and Microwave are all merely a different frequency vibrations of light, Anger or Fear might be able to allow us to "lower our astral vibration" low enough to effect the real world.

So here's a potential topic. How might we lower our astral vibrations enough without entering Fear or Anger? On the Astral when you reach those low enough levels of Fear and Anger there are many "other things" that find us "Interesting" which I'd rather not have to deal with on a Consistent basis...

What about Kundalini? Might Sexual Energy be "Long Wave" enough while still being "in light" to allow access without having to deal with some of the less kind stuff?

Alternativey... Perhaps the issue isn't merely frequency, but Amplitude (Amplitude modulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). With lower Frequencies in Radio it's MUCH easier to get more effects with less Amplitude. Perhaps if there is an equivalent of Amplitude in Astral Work the issue is merely that it's a lot easier to reach necessary Amplitudes in Anger than from Love. However with practice and effort it might become possible to reach those Amplitudes with "higher frequency" emotions.

...

I'm assuming it's obvious that I've done a LOT of Astral Projection, but I've always been more interested in dealing with this world. If figure if I wanted to play around in the astral I wouldn't have chosen to become Manifest a Body and a life. If I could find a way to effect things in THIS world from an Astral Excursion I'd be MUCH more interested.

First of all, thank you for sharing! Seeing that you've been around for a few years and written just a handful of posts, I am grateful that you share this.

I think there are at least three ways we can influence the physical world.

1. Directly in the physical, using our physical bodies.
2. Using extremely powerful intent and focus (as you describe)
3. Going all the way up to the place where this reality is created (what other people would describe as working through the soul)

Let me explain number 3 from where I stand. My take on things is that this physical reality is sort of a "hologram" like construct. A universe and reality created to experience physical stuff, and all the duality that comes with it (good/bad, joy/sadness, left/right, etc.).

So, there is an energetic source for this universe, or a myriad of sources combining their efforts to create this "playground".

If you can go back up to that part of yourself that creates your physical existence, that part of you can easily alter other things in this reality, within the bounds and "rules" it considers vital to not disturb this universe too much. I don't know if this makes sense to you, and I haven't "been there" myself, yet (at least as far as I currently remember), but I think whenever we achieve things effortlessly, like "oh come on, let's have some sunshine, alright?" - and then it suddenly clears up, and you have this experience often enough that coincidence doesn't cover it anymore, we are working that way, connecting back up to some higher parts of ourselves without even trying.

What I think is that in regards of vibration, it gets increasingly hard to manipulate the physical world through intent and focus, unless there is some STRONG emotional need, i.e. prevent something bad from happening to a loved one, etc., in effect "guardian angel" kinds of things.

I know I'm just barely scratching the surface of something I don't remember well (but feel I know somehow), and I hope it makes sense to you in some way.

[Mynder]

Originally Posted by Weena

I have an astral travel question, but I'm unsure if i should post it here. If you find it not to be at the appropriate place, please remove it, no worries.

Is it okay to astral travel whilst pregnant? I feel like i almost managed to once (it felt like a light version of me was trying hard to wriggle out of my body), and was hoping my soul could meet the new baby's soul and have an exchange.

Or is it something that shouldn't be 'played' with?

First, some basic warnings I received when I got curious about this stuff:

1. Don't try it when you feel sad, depressed, angry, or exhausted. Only ever do this when you feel comfortable, positive, and confident. This is simply because in the astral, the rule "you receive what you put out" is true much more strongly due to the malleable environment. Thought is actually able to bend things there more easily, so it's much more pleasant when your thoughts are of a positive kind in general.

2. Astral travel, especially when you're not yet well-practised in it, can take a good chunk of energy out of you, so do this when you feel energetic.

3. I don't believe astral traveling in itself is harmful to your child if you take some care to follow the above advice. It is more the repercussions of when you go there in a bad mood, attract bad things that scare the wits out of you etc. that your child will then sense and be influenced by. So if you experience good things, just as in the physical world, your child will feel that. If you're sad or frightened, your child will feel that also, no matter whether you're in the astral or in the physical.

You can think of it in similar terms as alcohol amplifies whatever mood you're in. If you drink in a happy mood with friends, it allows you to relax and enjoy with fewer inhibitions. If you're drinking while sad, you can easily get depressed.

In the astral, your thoughts and mental state are much more strongly "attractive" to energies of the same kind, so again, what you put out is what you are likely to receive back ("thrice back" is a term that might fit here).

Does this help you?

[Erin Pavlina]

I was really scared to astral project while pregnant because I felt like if I took my soul energy away from my body then it might hurt the baby or sever a connection, but it's safe. Here's why.

Your own body is still alive and sustained when you're out. Your baby's body is also. Your baby's soul is not stuck in its body while you're pregnant, not until the final trimester (that's the prevailing belief anyway) so your baby is out traveling while you maintain its shell. Bottom line is that it's safe to astral travel while pregnant. Your astral cord is still sending life sustaining energy to your body. If your cord is severed while traveling, you and the baby would die because your body would die.

I safely astral traveled while pregnant.

[Weena]

To dear Mynder:

[QUOTE Does this help you?[/QUOTE]

Yes, very much so! Thank you for giving me pointers . I've never tried when i was 'sad' but i definitely try when I'm tired (when my beautiful toddler has gone to sleep for the night). Maybe because of the energy requirement it doesn't work. Also, I haven't tried very hard or very often, as i know the 'more you chase something the more it gets away from you'. When i see it won't work i turn it into a meditation time and just enjoy the relaxation. No biggie. Maybe someday it'll come naturally.

To dear Erin:

Thank you for saying this, maybe subconsciously as i wasn't a hundred percent sure about combining pregnancy and astral travel i didn't let go enough. I read your blog entry about the good experiences you had in the astral. Reading in the akashic library must be one of the most satisfying thing one can do whilst being in the astral . I smiled when i read "visited my friends when they were sleeping". One of my beloved friend did that one evening, she astral traveled to my house, hoping I'd spot her... unfortunately she told me all the lights were out and all of us were sound asleep .

Well, it is Christmas Eve already where i live so i wish everyone to enjoy the good vibes for Jesus's birthday (i'm not 'religious' but love him as a great spiritual master, you will relate I'm sure).

With love and light and laughter...

[Kiwirem]

Howdy. My friend Dani has knocked on my wall while projecting which is audible, though how she does it is a mystery to me. We speak to each other telepathically occasionally, and I tend to hear her time and again even if she's not projecting so I'm aware of when it's her. We live states away from each other and it's cheaper than long distance. She has been practicing almost ten years and is a very competent psychic, where as i've been practicing for a year. Though I haven't experienced her move an object, she can still interact on a physical level.

I feel the ability to affect the physical plane comes mainly from a strong desire to do so, and not questioning whether or not it's a possibility. I just hope my brother hasn't heard me crashing into walls at 3 am because i can't quite bring myself to slide through solid objects while out of my body

[Erin Pavlina]

Sliding thorugh solid objects while astral can sometimes feel like pushing through mud. Sometimes I used to get stuck and have to pull back. You gotta just raise your energy further so the wall molecules just aren't there anymore.

[Marth]

enjoy traveling through closets nerds

[Sologretto]

Originally Posted by Mynder

First of all, thank you for sharing! Seeing that you've been around for a few years and written just a handful of posts, I am grateful that you share this.

I think there are at least three ways we can influence the physical world.

1. Directly in the physical, using our physical bodies.
2. Using extremely powerful intent and focus (as you describe)
3. Going all the way up to the place where this reality is created (what other people would describe as working through the soul)

Let me explain number 3 from where I stand. My take on things is that this physical reality is sort of a "hologram" like construct. A universe and reality created to experience physical stuff, and all the duality that comes with it (good/bad, joy/sadness, left/right, etc.).

So, there is an energetic source for this universe, or a myriad of sources combining their efforts to create this "playground".

If you can go back up to that part of yourself that creates your physical existence, that part of you can easily alter other things in this reality, within the bounds and "rules" it considers vital to not disturb this universe too much. I don't know if this makes sense to you, and I haven't "been there" myself, yet (at least as far as I currently remember), but I think whenever we achieve things effortlessly, like "oh come on, let's have some sunshine, alright?" - and then it suddenly clears up, and you have this experience often enough that coincidence doesn't cover it anymore, we are working that way, connecting back up to some higher parts of ourselves without even trying.

What I think is that in regards of vibration, it gets increasingly hard to manipulate the physical world through intent and focus, unless there is some STRONG emotional need, i.e. prevent something bad from happening to a loved one, etc., in effect "guardian angel" kinds of things.

I know I'm just barely scratching the surface of something I don't remember well (but feel I know somehow), and I hope it makes sense to you in some way.

I call number 3 "Source-ery" or "Manifesting". I've found that in opening up and re-membering our oneness with Source or "the all" we are capable of making decisions as Source. It's amazing to be in connection, decide as the universe that XYZ is occuring, and then experience it.

I've tried using Source-ery to move items. When doing so it seems that if I'm trying to move something I am concentrating on the idea that it isn't moving and that is what I Manifest. To manifest movement I have to reach that "oneness", decide it will move, then let go and accept that it is happening. What ends up happening is that within a short time a series of interesting "co-incidents" causes the item to move in the way I wanted it to.

Thanks for the reminder. For decades I've been able to manifest exactly what I want very quickly, but for some reason I'll do it intentionally for a while and then forget that I can. This is a time in my life where some purposeful source-ery would be very good.

Does anyone have an idea as to WHY I keep ignoring this awesome tool in favor of other useful, but less potent tools? The common excuse I use is that I never liked playing games in "god mode" and source-ery is kind of the ultimate "god mode"... So maybe I just use the "cheat codes" when I get sick of a specific challenge and turn them back off? Sounds like a nice mental answer, but my heart doesn't feel it...

[Mynder]

Well, depending on what kind of person you are, you might be afraid of your own power, of misusing them, or of causing some damage because you did something without being able to consider all possible consequences.

I'd say being able to consciously harness that kind of power takes some attentive listening to intuition so the proper guidance is actually heard.

If this is the case, ask yourself: do you feel more comfortable with you wielding this power, or with somebody else who might be going about it much less responsibly?

I once read a book about Thoth and the Emerald tablets. It was a heapload of crap, I admit, but there were passages in there that I was meant to read, even though the meaning they conveyed had nothing to do with the content of the book itself. One of them was: it is okay to use the powers that are given to you.

[MissKriss]

i think this because of a couple reasons - one of them i was having shared dream with my mom - she wanted to learn how to astral travel and i was helping her, but when it came time to wake up she freaked out and tried to wake up through my body! lol it was just like in the movie "freaky friday" - i said "no you have to wake up through your body! she said, "i don't know how!!" i said "watch here's how you do it," and i started waking up - then i felt her energy fly back to where she lives so she could wake up - i know she could have jumped into my body because i felt the moment where she almost did - so that would have been the astral affecting the physical

in the other example i was having a lucid dream where i was watching my mother's dream - she saw something horrific - she was basically viewing a horrific real tragedy that happened in this world and it was so horrible her heart stopped - i freaked out and sent all my energy to her heartbeat and literally jumpstarted her heartbeat - it freaked me out because i almost lost my mom - but that is the astral affecting the physical - and i know it was real because when i woke up my heart was still working extra hard - it was like i came back into my body and woke up slowly to calm my own heart down

i have other examples but too many to list! but there are also the stories about yogis rematerilizing their bodies from the astral plane - dying in the physical, letting someone cremate them, and then a day or so later reappearing - completely physical - not saying i know how to do that personally though LOL