Holiday incarnation

[Andrew Gubb]

OK, I asked my guides for an answer to this and I think they inspired me to ask here.

I'd like to know if I can take a break on a more spiritually developed planet for one lifetime next time I incarnate. If Anna Conlan is right, I understand I have a mission here on a soul-level, but I don't see that I'm obligated to be here all the time if I need to take a holiday.

I find life on this earth pretty tough. Especially as a kid, I found it torture. I had the thought that maybe I could go live on a planet which vibrates on a level of Love for one lifetime just to rest up a bit. The idea of having another childhood like the one I had this life makes me a bit nervous. I COULD... if I felt it was meaningful... I could suffer anything to help bring this world to Love... but I would so love to have a nicer childhood next time, to be in a safe place when I'm in my vulnerable years and not suffer huge traumas I need to spend years healing. And then it'd be nice to live in a place where things flow and there is abundance and everyone is kind to each other without wanting anything in return... I don't know, just for one life, to see what it's like, before we make it happen here on Earth (I don't realistically think we'll get there soon). It'd be nice to see what it's like to be the least spiritually developed person I know for once.

Could I? What do you think? Maybe when I disincarnate and remember all my past lives and see things from a bigger perspective I won't worry so much about incarnating here, I don't know. It's a bit of a funny question, I know, and not so so important, but I'd love to know.

Andrew

[Anna Conlan]

Hi Andrew,

I have a subjective reality view of life.

The earth in all its harshness is a reflection of you and your perspective. All you have (and all it is) is your perspective on it. And when you change your view on it and no longer see it as flawed or lacking in love, it changes to match your perspective.

You can see the world as perfect already and not see anything to ‘develop’ or anyone to fix, and still pursue your personal growth and be a shining light for others. That, to me is the sign of a spiritually developed person.

The planet that vibrates on the level of love is in you.

[Cado]

Life doesn't happen to you, it's what you make it. You, my friend, are closer to fear than I am.

[Andrew Gubb]

I guess I agree, but I want my holiday planet!

I mean i have thought of that perspective. But fact is this world doesn't vibrate in Love for the most part and it'd be nice to see one that does. Can I find/attract love in this world? I can. Doesn't stop it being easier in a different world. Eckhart Tolle, a great master according to many, doesn't sweep the "insanity" here under the rug by saying it's all projections of his unconscious. I know a few highly spiritual people and none of them believe that this planet is a nice place. None of them want to be here, really. Their mission's here. Not their heart.

I'm sure the answer's "look inside" - it is for everything - but I'm interested in something mundane here!

[Hyperchiller]

Consider yourself blessed to be here right now.

Earth is considered a tough place for any soul to be and if you're still alive and kicking consider yourself a courageous and brave soul.

It's also a fantastic place to grow spiritually and contribute to others. Many other planets don't have this much diversity in ideas, people, star-races and contrasting experiences. It's actually very exciting to be here.

You don't remember your past lives for a reason. It's so you can start with a clean slate and grow with 'beginners mind'. This life is special and contributes to the consciousness of your Higher Self. You can grow tremendously if you stick with it.

Sounds like you just need to relax a bit, do some reflection/planning and when you're ready get back into the fun!

[Mynder]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Their mission's here. Not their heart.

Wow, this just struck a chord with me - strongly. Thank you very much.

I think I may open a separate thread about it later today.

[Cado]

What I wanna know is how your next incarnation is at all relevant to this one. How the hell do you know how you're going to feel by the time you reach the end of this life? Unless you've already thrown in the towel; if so, feel free to count the days until you die.

'This world is insane" is still a perspective. I ain't agreeing or disagreeing with you, but how is that relevant to you if you're breaking the grasp society has upon you? In this context it sounds like you're playing the victim and if you're playing the victim there's nowhere you'll be happy, at least not for long; somebody can always come along and take it from you.

Society is ****** up. Everybody's been ****** by it at one point or another. But you know, I gotta say, I wouldn't be nearly as strong as I am if I hadn't faced it. It's pretty hard to fall into the traps I escaped from. So tell me, Gubb, why are you here and what's really keeping you from getting it?

Keep your head in the game. Time doesn't stop for those who hesitate.

[Erin Pavlina]

"Their missions' here, not their heart." That could be the theme song for all the lightworkers here. How many of us really just wanna call it a day and go home!

But maybe, if we did put our hearts here, that would be exactly what the planet needs. Maybe we're keeping our best asset out of the game. I wonder what would happen if we engaged this earth, with its fear and darkness, with our brightest light? with our commitment to being light even when others walk in fear? What could we do then?

[joyfulgrowth]

I like what Erin wrote.

And then it'd be nice to live in a place where things flow and there is abundance and everyone is kind to each other without wanting anything in return... It'd be nice to see what it's like to be the least spiritually developed person I know for once.

How about taking a longer holiday break/sabbatical in between incarnations?

[joyfulgrowth]

Originally Posted by Anna Conlan

The planet that vibrates on the level of love is in you.

Loving that as well, even for myself.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

What I wanna know is how your next incarnation is at all relevant to this one. How the hell do you know how you're going to feel by the time you reach the end of this life? Unless you've already thrown in the towel; if so, feel free to count the days until you die.

'This world is insane" is still a perspective. I ain't agreeing or disagreeing with you, but how is that relevant to you if you're breaking the grasp society has upon you? In this context it sounds like you're playing the victim and if you're playing the victim there's nowhere you'll be happy, at least not for long; somebody can always come along and take it from you.

Society is ****** up. Everybody's been ****** by it at one point or another. But you know, I gotta say, I wouldn't be nearly as strong as I am if I hadn't faced it. It's pretty hard to fall into the traps I escaped from. So tell me, Gubb, why are you here and what's really keeping you from getting it?

Keep your head in the game. Time doesn't stop for those who hesitate.

We really do have a different perspective. I have to say I like you - we can learn a lot from each other

You see what I was saying as hesitation. It wasn't. I say it in part because of my explorer spirit. It's not like I'm running away from here - more like I'm looking to experience new things. It's sort of a playfulness.

I'm also tired, on the other hand. But it's like, if I had to continue the next life in a similar vein, with a few more lessons under my belt but still a load of suffering to go through as I learn who I am and what this world is, I would. (I never expected people to be cruel to each other, because that's never been my nature, and it keeps surprising me at times. Needless to say a guy like me is an easy target until he learns a little bit about what he's dealing with). I would, but I'd love to try something different for a while! I feel wieghed down by all the darkness in this place and I think it'd refresh me to be in a place where people hurt themselves laughing on a daily basis, share love intensely on a daily basis without exclusion, play and create all the time, just because it's an expression of their nature.

I do agree that I don't know if this question even makes sense from the perspective of my higher self or me between lifetimes but I thought it'd be fun to think about it, at the very least!

Andrew

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

"Their missions' here, not their heart." That could be the theme song for all the lightworkers here. How many of us really just wanna call it a day and go home!

But maybe, if we did put our hearts here, that would be exactly what the planet needs. Maybe we're keeping our best asset out of the game. I wonder what would happen if we engaged this earth, with its fear and darkness, with our brightest light? with our commitment to being light even when others walk in fear? What could we do then?

Cool reply, Erin. I was kinda worried everyone would tell me to LOA the world into love.

It's good to know other people feel the same. You and Steve have definitely helped me feel less lonely many times - I was just talking with a lightworker friend about how Steve was the first person who showed me I wasn't alone in thinking and feeling the way I do, that I wasn't crazy. That's such a precious gift to give, guys, I'm so grateful for it.

Andrew

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Mynder

Wow, this just struck a chord with me - strongly. Thank you very much.

I think I may open a separate thread about it later today.

Glad to be of service mate

[velvet1]

No offense to your comments Illustro Cado because everyone is entitled to an opinion, but your post reminds me of someone who gets offended when someone doesn't like their cooking.

Andrew, I feel the same way. Maybe I don't feel as grounded as before that I want a break from this place. I crave experiencing something from home but also being able to explore something more interesting than just earth itself.

I'm going to be honest, I'm not digging earth right now but still we have to carry on and try new things plus have faith.

[joyfulgrowth]

There is a related thread here (also started by Andrew):
What it means to be a lightworker

[Andrew Gubb]

^Funny how you linked specifically to your post debating the ideas I set forth in the OP, joyfulgrowth. Just saying.

[joyfulgrowth]

oops, window had been open for 2 days with me scrolling up and down - no intention to link to my post.

here is the beginning of the thread:

What it means to be a lightworker

[Parthon]

Hey Andrew.

Just to answer your question about your future, from your past:

Before you incarnated here, your higher self looked at the world with all of it's problems and it's despair as well as it's wonder and majesty and decided it was worth it. Before you came down to earth, you already had everything you needed to make it through this journey.

The situation that you lived through in your childhood is a horrible one, but I think in your unique case it was needed specifically so you would know, here and now, how important it is to heal the world and bring some light to the dark places.

I say you have a lot of life left to live, and a lot of good left to do on this world. Your time isn't over by a long shot, and you are only just starting to see what you are capable of. Your future will be great.

Quick tip though: Careful of those who confusing hardening the heart as strength. You can learn a lot from them, but don't copy them.

[Ekb]

Maybe when you are back in the ether you can decide! Perhaps before you were here you were on your holiday planet, and that's why this life feels so bad in comparison. What would your perfect holiday planet be like anyway?

[Andrew Gubb]

Thanks Parthon

Ekb:

My holiday planet would vibrate in intense, intense, authentic love and expression of our core, individual truths. Everyone would be loved for what they are and wouldn't have to put on layer upon layer of appearences. Things are just easier and flow better. Things are warm and sustaining. There's no scarcity, because no one feels particularly drawn to create it, and because of that there is very little reason for people to distance themselves from what they want to express in the world in order to tie themselves down to a horrible, soul-sucking, deadly, inauthentic, cruel, hierarchical 9-5 wage slavedom.

Life is BEAUTIFUL, because everyone is an artist - why? Because no-one has been taught by society that they aren't an artist, they don't even know what an artist is as opposed to just a normal peroson...................... and why else? Because no-one has destroyed nature! Imagine the most incredible nature reserve... EVERYWHERE. Thousands and thousands of species of birds, dragonflies, butterflies, herbs, plants, wildflowers... the air is BUZZING with life. It's all in harmony! Our cities have been woven into nature (think the elves from the lord of the rings movie) and become as if PART of the beauty of nature. And as we're all artists, every house is indivually created, perfect as a singular expression, but also blending in with perfect harmony with the rest.

Sickness? Practically none.

Wars? None.

Addictions? Zero.

Pleasures though? Everywhere. We don't ♥♥♥♥♥, we make love, but do we make love. We hug each other for no reason, EVERY GOD DAMN DAY. We express to each other our love EVERY DAY, in words, in gaze, in action, in touch. And yes, when we want to get even closer we make love, as a way of merging ourselves and feeling this incredible oneness.

When we feel like it - often - we make crazy absurd jokes that aren't meant to be so special in terms of wit or intelligence, it just makes us SPLIT OUR SIDES LAUGHING. On Earth people look at me like I'm crazy but on this world crazy is fine, life's not so serious, we just wanna laugh! Beautiful music, shameless dancing and playing, no-one worried about being called childish or unserious. If you want to run just for the sheer joy of it, you'll run, and no-one will think you odd for it. It's so light... so joyful... so easy...

Ahhh I want to cry!

[Andrew Gubb]

^I liked writing that... I have so much more I could say though. A good idea for a blog post I think.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

My holiday planet .....

Can I join you?? It sounds like a great place!!!

In the mean time I am just going to continue doing what I am doing and trying to make it here as much as there

[Ravmar]

But fact is this world doesn't vibrate in Love for the most part and it'd be nice to see one that does.

I understand what you mean. However I believe Earth has vibrated in Love before and it will again, maybe even soon. Based on my research, I believe the world of fear and hate so many of us know started about 20,000 to 10,000 years ago. Before that we were a loving species. Then we became prosperous as we learned to hunt large animals that other predators couldn't touch. We still loved each other, but we got greedy with regards to the animals. Our hunting techniques worked too well and the large animals died out. Then food shortages and panic set in and we have been stuck with the results ever since. Happily there is evidence we will not be stuck for much longer.

My beliefs are largely influenced by The Great Turning, eGaia, and my own interest in paleontology.

[Andrew Gubb]

^Interesting theory Ravmar.

I believe in more of a development thing though, we started out as perfect spirits being thrust into a vessel which made us forget who we were, and bit by bit over incarnations we have come to grow in light to be able to pierce the veil and remember.

I always had the strong intuition in something like the "fall" - that things started out perfect and would return there - but I think the perfection was the oneness with God BEFORE we began to incarnate.

Still open to changing my mind though!

[jacknick]

I think your addicted to feelings. Maybe try not to hold onto them so much so when they fleet you won't be so depleted. Just a thought.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Thousands and thousands of species of birds, dragonflies, butterflies, herbs, plants, wildflowers... the air is BUZZING with life.

I've lived in places like that. Actually I go to live in a place like that, at least once or twice a year. It's quite lovely and beautiful, but it has its drawbacks.

Every morning, there will be fresh bat and lizard droppings, all over your balcony. As you drink your morning coffee, a few rather large, scary buzzing insects with big stings come flying by.

Before you sh**, you need to check your toilet bowl (occasionally, snakes slither in through the toilet bowl system). A man once died, because a cobra bit him in the testicles while he was shitting (no, I am not joking - the sudden flushing alarmed the snake and it just struck out).

I've had monkeys come & steal my breakfast too. You think monkeys are cute? They can be rather scary, if you're alone and they are hungry and come in a troop. Let's just say you'll think twice, before you demand that they hand over your loaf of bread.



Nights are incredibly noisy. It's a loud, continuous screech of insects. If you don't constantly spray yourself with insect repellent, you'd pretty much be eaten by mosquitoes. You'll itch, and then you'll scratch, and after a few days, your legs are pretty much covered in sores.

You'll also get friends like the one below, wandering by in your garden too. I don't mind them on land, but I got quite terrified once, when I had a close encounter while I was swimming in the sea. Yesssssss, they swim in the sea too, not just in rivers.



Your view of an idyllic natural paradise might be slightly over-romanticised.

[Andrew Gubb]

Hahaha........... well, I'm more interested in people being pure and loving to each other - the nature thing is because I think we wouldn't destroy it if we were more harmonious with it. I agree, not all that is "natural" is perfect... who knows, maybe a world of love would look more like ours than I imagined... no matter, it's te love I care about.

[Amro]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Before you sh**, you need to check your toilet bowl (occasionally, snakes slither in through the toilet bowl system). A man once died, because a cobra bit him in the testicles while he was shitting (no, I am not joking - the sudden flushing alarmed the snake and it just struck out).

This is tragic; I can't help but laugh hysterically.

Although, none of these negatives would be present in the reality of a proficient LOA user, right?

[Andrew Gubb]

^Kind of my idea too.

You know the bible says one day "the lion will lay down with the lamb"?

They say in worlds of love the animals are peaceful. When humans live off light, the animals can even live off light and cease to kill each other.

S'all a mirror.

So maybe Anna's right about Subjective Reality, only my problem is that I'm living in a mirror created by a collective of people with vibrations far below my own. LOA can help me to an extent, but it can't change this world fundamentally - I am limited to some extent by my fellow man.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by Amro

This is tragic; I can't help but laugh hysterically.

Although, none of these negatives would be present in the reality of a proficient LOA user, right?

A proficient LOA practitioner would manifest a look in the toilet bowl each time and thus be safe.