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09-29-2009, 02:50 PM
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09-29-2009, 03:03 PM
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Totally with you on the *burn my body and leave more room for the human game to flow* score. I can't figure out why people traditionally deal with dead bodies so inefficiently, as if the body is more sacred dead than alive. But I guess it makes sense, considering the way people often treat their living bodies! Embalming, expensive (and resource-wasting) coffins, dressing up the body so that it looks pretty and people can say goodbye to you one last time, looking kind of like you did at your last birthday party.... I think that is so goofy. If a person is frightened of the pain of their dead body burning, why wouldn't they also fear the pain of spending eternity trapped in a little barbie package underground, filled with poisonous fluid and with their eyelids glued shut and their anus stuffed with cotton? That doesn't seem like a nice alternative. |
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09-29-2009, 03:39 PM
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What happens if you cremate and put them in a bottle then throw it down into the bottom of the ocean? It almost seems bad, like really bad. The soul/spirit wouldn't be affect by it would it? When you die, you lose the connection, but for some reason, it still feels like there is something there in the cremation. Like there energy is still drawn by it almost. Like if you go to a cemetery, you wouldn't feel spirit/soul energy there? Spirits/souls wondering at all? The cemetery would just be like any other place in the world then? |
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09-29-2009, 04:01 PM
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Good question Samuel. The reason the cemetary or graveside often feels more connecty is the same reason that when you walk into a church you feel more spiritual. There's a lot of concentrated energy and emotional residue there. People are praying (communing with their deceased and their God) and it pulls in a lot of beautiful and sometimes sad energy. But a spirit is not tied to its body. Sometimes a spirit will hang out where it was murdered, or where it committed suicide, but these are not healthy or normal. You can draw a spirits energy to you no matter where you are. Church, home, cemetary, park, etc. |
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09-29-2009, 04:12 PM
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erin, thank you for that particular blog...presenting the question and answering it.... at a time in my life where i will soon have to deal with this concerning my mother...you presented something i needed information on. i would agree about waiting a few days though... my mom apparently expressed want for cremation to both my brothers, while i don't remember hearing it...maybe i just blocked it out. i used to think the whole thing about burials and crypts and stones etc as being i guess something more tangible to honor the dead and visit etc. somehow cremation seemed a little ghoulish to me in a way...having to ourselves physically having to do something with the remains... but now i see many "peaceful" options as well as traditional interment if desired. since i am the one who must make decisions in the near future, your words are a comfort and guidance to me. |
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09-29-2009, 06:26 PM
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09-29-2009, 08:05 PM
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Once the subtle body is permanently disconnected from the gross body, the condition of the gross body is irrelevant, except to those persons who are in the physical world viewing that body and being concerned about it. Their interest might affected the person who departed, as their thinking and feeling will reach that person. When my mother passed away, it took her a good 5 months to really get it into her head that she had lost her body. This is because she kept mistaking her subtle body for the gross one in the astral world and she could not believe that she had passed on or as we say died ( to this physical side). The condition of a dead body is irrelevant because the spirit who was connected into that body has no way of feeling the condition of it once the subtle body permanently separates. The effects we feel are due to our misconceptions and attachments, not due to any connection with the dead form. |
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09-29-2009, 10:05 PM
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I personally want to be cremated because being burried alive freaks me out. Yes, I realise I will be dead.. but still.. My husband wants to be cremated and have his ashes be put into an hourglas.. this is disgusting to me, so I am contemplating just not doing it... I mean, he would be dead anyway, so he won´t care... Quote:
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09-29-2009, 10:43 PM
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He will care. Once he leaves body, if it was important to him while he was living on this side, he will remember it on the other side, because it will be the subject of his interest. death of his physical body is not death of his mind, nor memories. Usually people check from the other side to see how they are treated by their loved ones once they depart. The only thing is that he will be unable to do anything about it.but if he feels hurt about it he will carry with him a resentment towards you for doing that. this is one way in which karma is formed. through such resentment energy providence may permit him to confront you about it in some future time or future life. Why not just honor his wish and let the matter rest there. And reserve your wishes for your own body. Unless you would derive a satisfaction from his resentment energy. | |
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09-29-2009, 11:08 PM
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| This is not a very nice thing to say... I love him.. why and how could you even think that I would feel like this... I would not be with him if I would feel like this.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing mean or cruel was meant. Do not take it in that way. Step aside a little and look at it from the outside. Love is not always unconditional, and there is nothing wrong about that, provided it is stated up front. Unconditional love means that you hold no bars about the lover's wishes. If you do, then it is conditional and that is alright. There is no negative connotation that goes with that automatically. One thing you could do however, is to ask him if he has some alternate request which is within your means and which you could execute willingly. That would settle the matter. And it would allow him to satisfy a need to have you do something meaningful in his honor. But I agree that it does not make sense to place ash in the hour glass. Once the body is dead, no amount of preservation can cause it to function as it did in its living state. |
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09-29-2009, 11:47 PM
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I don't think your husband is going to carry forward resentments into the afterlife and plan to meet up with you in a future life so that he could karmically confront you about your failure to turn him into interior decor. I think he'll have bigger fish to fry than what becomes of his meager shell. I think he'll be a lot more concerned with feeling loving and grateful to you for having been such a generous and supportive partner in this life, wishing you well, and looking forward to your next meeting. Quote:
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09-30-2009, 12:00 AM
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[QUOTE=Angela;420499]I don't think your husband is going to carry forward resentments into the afterlife and plan to meet up with you in a future life so that he could karmically confront you about your failure to turn him into interior decor. I think he'll have bigger fish to fry than what becomes of his meager shell. I think he'll be a lot more concerned with feeling loving and grateful to you for having been such a generous and supportive partner in this life, wishing you well, and looking forward to your next meeting. QUOTE] That is a very accurate description of our conscious rational self, but we do have a subconscious part which does not in every case, follow this very auspicious path. Ignoring that other part does not in any way stop it from acting and reacting in various ways. If the ash desire has deep meaning and significance to him, then it will affect his subconscious self in an unfulfilling way. An unfulfilled desire in one life may surface as a positive or negative predisposition in another life when one forgets the past life. Then it becomes a subconscious motivation only. I was addressing that issue and not attacking the conscious set-up which you described so perfectly. |
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09-30-2009, 12:15 AM
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Just as it's not the wife's job to make the husband happy at the expense of her own happiness or purpose, neither is it her job to follow his postmortem wishes and protect his karma at the expense of her effectively playing the human game. I can see where having an objet d'art made up of her husband's remains might not work well for her. If no one "honors" my desire to have my ashes scattered in the winds of Zanzibar, and I get my unconscious ethereal pantyhose in a twist about that, well, I'll just have to deal with it. Or as ssandra says, I'll just have to be dead with it.  | |
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09-30-2009, 12:24 AM
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I agree with most of that, except that in the present life in our personal, national and international lives, we have to deal with resentments and one of the main reasons for so many discomfitures is predispositions from past lives which feed into the present and which cause untold suffering. It does matter what we do and how we react, even though that does not mean that we should give in to every desire of every other human being. Look at the ecology and how our actions for the past 150 years are affecting the environment. So long as we cannot connect the dots, it does not matter but once you see the connections, you will give it some consideration even though I agree that you will not necessarily act in someone else's favor. Love does have its limits. |
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09-30-2009, 01:02 AM
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I didn't say that what we do doesn't matter. I said that a wife not fulfilling the disposal wishes of one's husband doesn't mean that her love is conditional. You degrade her love with your suggestion that if she doesn't fulfill his wish to be made into a tchochke then her love is not unconditional ("not that there's anything WRONG with that"  ) and her not doing so might mean she derives satisfaction from his resentment energy.Similarly, a survivor need not fulfill a lover's wish to have her body disposed of in a certain way so that the dead person can avoid their fear of burning or burial, in order for the love to be true. It's only important that he makes sure she's really dead first. Last edited by Angela; 09-30-2009 at 01:04 AM. |
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09-30-2009, 01:05 AM
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I have a book called "How To Make ESP Work For You" by Harold Sherman. This book was published in the 60s. The one I have has a copyright of 1964, but the last printing was in the 80s. It's on amazon & can be a lil' expensive depending on the seller. You can find it cheaper on ebay if you're patient. Amazon.com: How to Make ESP Work for You (9780449212028): Harold Sherman: Books Harold Sherman - the Official Website Anyway this is gonna be a long post, but to make it as short as possible the author, Harold Sherman, documents his experiences with ESP from childhood. He did a lot of experiments & one experiment was with the arctic explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins. George Hubert Wilkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sir Hubert Wilkins - Australian Pioneer Polar Explorer, Cinematographer, Aviator, and Humanitarian Environmentalist His experiment was to see how well telepathy could work at great distances. At the time Wilkins was assigned bt the Soviet government to find a crew of lost Societ ariment who had been trying to fly nonstop from the Soviet Union to the North Pole. It was a scientific experiment set up with an unbiased 3rd party by the name of Dr. Gardner Murphy professor in the Psychology Department of Columbia University. He also had other people verify his claims. He would journal whatever impressions he got from Wilkins & when the experiments were concluded their journals matched up. He wrote: "When the experiments were concluded, and checked against Wilkins' diary and log, it was found that of the hundreds of impressions recorded during the test period, some 70% of the were correct." This was in the fall of 1937 & the spring of 1938. Way before cell phones & the internet. Anyway they built a friendship & from then on they kept their experiments going till after Sir Wilkins died. I say after because their telepathic connection was so strong that Harold Sherman was able to communicate with Sir Wilkins even after he died & that's why I decided to post this here. This is a copy of the journal entry that Harold Sherman when he heard Sir Wilkin's speaking to him in his mind's ear. Clairaudience rather. "Hollywood, California April 25, 1959 Hello, Sherman! It is not easy to get through. I have been trying for some time. I find that each mind is like a miniature universe, a collection of magnetized ideas or concepts, revovling around a nucleus or center which represent the entity itself. The entity holds these ideas or concepts in what the world would call, today, its orbit and it is difficult to get through this magnetic field from the outside. I can realize now what a monumental attempt you made to receive what you called "thought impressions" from me, during our experiments. This universe is not at all like man has described it in his books and scientific treatises. It is difficult to get away from a planet on which you are born because of the hold its energy particles have upon you. That is why I'm glad I had the body which the world knew as Wilkins returned to the fires, so that its ashes might more speedily be freed from any identification with me. It was a source of profound satisfaction to have these ashes released at the North Pole, and to have it done by these new under-ice pioneers. They are going to realize my dreams-dreams, I find, which no single entity really completes in any life, but leaves for others to carry on. I am watching you reach out for my thoughts with your mind as I dispatch them through the magnetic field of your consciousness. It is interesting to me to see how these thought impulses travel through your mind circuits to your point of awareness, where you put these impulses, which become feelings, into words. It is quite a process. Once mental contact is made, you have to hold to it by a sort of fixation and I can perceive that receiving is more difficult than transmitting. I have only to concentrate my forces on you, but you have to stop, temporarily, the machinery of your own mind to let me through to the point of awareness. You have to picture me as I was not as I am. But no one ever sees the true entity. It is always surrounded by form in any dimension, and apparently remains an eternal mystery to itself." There is more, but I'm not going to copy the book. Just quote what was relevant to this thread. So it appears that cremating the body will help you free yourself from the energies of the Earth & the attachments you had to it & the Earth faster. I thought of this when I read Erin's blog. Let me know if it was helpful to the discussion. Last edited by EyezWideOpen; 09-30-2009 at 01:11 AM. |
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09-30-2009, 01:12 AM
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Once the soul is out of the body, that body has no use of it. So when I died, I would prefer to be cremated but also donate my organs to someone who will need it. For me it would give more meaning to give a part of my body to someone who will need it than just let it decompose.
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09-30-2009, 01:13 AM
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| You degrade her love with your suggestion that if she doesn't fulfill his wish to be made into a tchochke then her love is not unconditional ("not that there's anything WRONG with that" ) and her not doing so might mean she derives satisfaction from his resentment energy. ---------------------- It is easy to read all that into what I wrote but it wasn't meant in that way. But the fact that it was taken like that only highlights it as a touchie issue. I did not mean it that way and if her conscience on the matter is clear, then what I wrote can't affect that in any way. It caused her to review her motives but that was not the intention. |
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My mum recently visited a friend in Canada whose husband passed away and he was cremated. When he was alive, he never got to travel and regretted it, so when foreign friends come to visit, his wife sends them off with some of the ashes to take home and scatter. My mum took some back to New Zealand and scattered them here in the ocean. I thought it was a bit weird but also quite nice in a way. |
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09-30-2009, 03:23 AM
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some very interesting feelings and ideas.... i actually think the hour glass thing is kind of cool...no joke, no offense intended...i might actually consider that. i feel it would be kind of amusing, and i have a slightly warped sense of humor...i could watch what was left of my earthly self hanging aroung with an earthly function, albeit limited...  ...wonderful conversation piece and if i decide to be cremated...i would probably donate any parts that could be useful ahead of time...it really wouldn't matter much at that point what was left to incinerate and might do some good. |
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09-30-2009, 04:09 AM
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I once heard that (usually) the mind is also left behind at the same time as the body and that you then go by your tendencies - which may be to hang around your own body or be with a loved-one etc. I think that's only when you "go too soon"...
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09-30-2009, 09:22 AM
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I don't think it is anyone's job to fulfill requests of others ... But I have to wonder why you wouldn't want to fulfill this one. If my husband asks me for something that I can give him without violating myself or others then I enjoy giving to him as a sign of my love. It is a pleasure! And because I love him so much it would be very important to me to honour his last request, so to speak. Of course, if this is something you feel you cannot do you are probably best off simply being honest with him. Perhaps you can find a solution agreeable to you both? |
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