A Spiritual Perspective on Homosexuality (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Erin Pavlina's blog:

A Spiritual Perspective on Homosexuality

[SenorKaffee]

And don´t forget that there are A LOT of humans on this planet. Mankind is not likely to become extinct because of homosexuality, even if it would be the sexual orientation of the majority.

The perspective is a little cold, but in theory the continuation of our species could be completely based on artificial insemination - completely seperated from sexual intercourse.

[Erki]

But what happens if human race becomes extinct? Would we continue living on the "other side"?

[Erin Pavlina]

Homosexuality is not going to cause us to become extinct.

But yeah, our souls/spirits/consciousness would continue living on the other side. There are many states of being. This earthly existence is just one of them.

[Vanilla]

As a lesbian...I just wanted to say...THANK YOU SO, SO, SO MUCH for that blog, Erin!! Happy New Year! =)

[helgi]

I find that when I imagine myself to be gay, i.e. identify with a homosexual stereotype, I feel an instant heightening of peace, openness and wellbeing.

Whenever I see a man that is open and joyful my gay-o-meter lights up -- it is as if 'enlightened' qualities are somehow more common in gay men. One of the reasons I've come up with is that gay men seem to have less need to identify with things, status and so on, and that they are somehow more comfortable with simply 'being.'

Anyone noticed this?

[Gene]

Originally Posted by SenorKaffee

And don´t forget that there are A LOT of humans on this planet. Mankind is not likely to become extinct because of homosexuality, even if it would be the sexual orientation of the majority.

The perspective is a little cold, but in theory the continuation of our species could be completely based on artificial insemination - completely seperated from sexual intercourse.

I think all kinds of people have kids and that includes people who have determined that their sexual orientation is homosexual in nature. I remember some very visible and public people who are "out" and parents.

Whether people make babies through personal contact, artificial insemination or adopt children there is within many of us the imperative to nurture children. I think human extinction will not occur because of same sex relationships.

[palimpsest]

Originally Posted by Gene

I think all kinds of people have kids and that includes people who have determined that their sexual orientation is homosexual in nature. I remember some very visible and public people who are "out" and parents.

Whether people make babies through personal contact, artificial insemination or adopt children there is within many of us the imperative to nurture children. I think human extinction will not occur because of same sex relationships.

I think the "man and woman ONLY can make and raise kids" argument is just a case of inferring a social should from a biological is, which saves us from thinking. Say, homosexuality is unnecessary (doesn't produce children) and therefore is unnatural in the way of meaning aberrant. Because the rest of us heterosexuals eat our meat raw and sleep in a tree.

You're right, though, all kinds of people have kids -- and that includes abusive fosters, drug-addicted teenagers, pedophiles, sweat-shop factory owners... or simply people who can't make ends meet financially to keep up the baseline for their own quality of life let alone a dependent, or an occasionally violent and temperamental or easily stressed person who yet forms strong emotional attachment and investment to their child, or parents so concerned that their child behaves properly (like a pet) that they never really care to know their child at all. These people can be of any sexual orientation, at any point in the spectrum of the nurture-torture imperative. But people are complicated, and labelling homosexuals as unfit to be parents is simple and saves us from getting the point of love. Really, how ever will society transcend?

I heard someone say once that homosexual and interracial relationships were so beautiful: that's what love is really about -- seeing the person inside, not out.
And I said, uhh... no. Not necessarily. Sex and race are still things shown outside the body. Heterosexual same-race couples could have just as much transcendental love as any other people, can't they? Each person is unique in their own respects -- why do we keep seeking generalizations like this?

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by palimpsest

Each person is unique in their own respects -- why do we keep seeking generalizations like this?

Because, it seems to work. If I read a page of a book, I can generalize that the book itself is bad. It may be, it may not be, but after that one page, I can guess and decide whether or not to waste my time on a probably bad book.

But if you want people to understand love, teach it to them without examples, make sure they understand the abstract notion, and then ask them to find it in the real world. They'll be able to see it, then.

[Bing Wu]

Well, being a homosexual man, I do find that women tend to feel comfortable around me - as Erin pointed out, it's not like I'm going to be staring at their chests. However, men don't feel quite as comfortable when my eyes are drawn to their crotches. So it's a trade off. I'm sure a straight man would love to be as comfortable around female strangers as me. On the other hand, I feel more awkward around men.

I really like Erin's spiritual perspective on homosexuality, that we are sexless beings in the spiritual realm, so whether our physical forms are attracted to others of the same sex isn't necessarily right or wrong. Also, Erin says that people like me have chosen to be homosexual, well, that must be something I'm not conscious of. I don't think I would have chosen to be homosexual, at least not at the time that I became aware of it, there was a lot of stigma and I wanted to kill myself, now I'm much more comfortable with it. As I become an increasingly spiritual person, I will reconcile with the reasons I chose homosexuality. At least on a practical level, I don't think it was a very convenient decision.

[Erin Pavlina]

Alex, not all beings choose to be homosexual before they incarnate. Sometimes it happens during an incarnation. So you may not have chosen it in advance.

Hsiang-Lin: Yes, explore those thoughts and don't feel shame. You can choose to act on them or not act on them. That's your choice. But don't disregard your own feelings out of fear.

Life trials come in many forms, and coming out as a gay person in our society is definitely tough, but I think it's getting better.

[HealingMaven]

Thank you Erin. Whenever someone I've previously respected comes up with a potentially controversial topic, I always find myself holding my breath, waiting for the sucker punch of dissapointment. The punch didn't come this time, and I greatly appreciate that.

[Greg Butler]

Here is how Meher Baba explained it: most souls alternate between female and male incarnations. But as any Blackjack player knows, (my metaphor, not his) it is possible to win or lose 10 hands in a row even on an almost 50/50 propostion. And if a soul has, lets say 10 incarnations in a row as a female and then incarnates as a male, the soul will be very, very identified still with a female perspective. It happens eventually to everybody. It's all part of our consciousness growth and understanding.

[Old Soul]

I have 2 cousins who are gay....... they are fantastic people, I was raised that being gay is wrong a sin a bad thing God hates it

but I love my cousins too much to treat them any other way than that of respect and kindness, and that is the way they treat me

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

God hates

This is just like "fighting for peace."