A Spiritual Perspective on Homosexuality (Blog)

[Old Soul]

I have 2 cousins who are gay....... they are fantastic people, I was raised that being gay is wrong a sin a bad thing God hates it

but I love my cousins too much to treat them any other way than that of respect and kindness, and that is the way they treat me

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

God hates

This is just like "fighting for peace."

[Livgivare]

Did anyone mention the 0-7 scale on Hetero-Homosexuality? As a Zero you are a hetero and as a seven you are a Homosexual. But there is loads of stages between those. If you are a 1 or 2 you can find attributions in the same sex wonderfull and sexy but not fall in love or even want to have sex, just maybe a kiss. And if you are a 5 or 6 you are the same but with the opposite sex. I really believe in this scale since most people really really can be bisexual or some different types of how to be sexually with other people.

Love Leelene

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by Livgivare

Did anyone mention the 0-7 scale on Hetero-Homosexuality?

I do tend to see it as a scale, and my own position on that scale changes slightly with time, usually putting me somewhat off center with occasional pendulum swings in one direction or the other. To me it seems that women are apt to be closer to the middle while men are usually closer to one extreme or the other (myself being an exception to my own generalization).

[Livgivare]

Originally Posted by openeyes

I do tend to see it as a scale, and my own position on that scale changes slightly with time, usually putting me somewhat off center with occasional pendulum swings in one direction or the other. To me it seems that women are apt to be closer to the middle while men are usually closer to one extreme or the other (myself being an exception to my own generalization).

OK, nice to know!

Love Leelene

[Michael Chui]

You say, "the 0-7 scale", which suggests that there's literature behind its existence. Is there?

[Livgivare]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

You say, "the 0-7 scale", which suggests that there's literature behind its existence. Is there?

This scale is used alot in feminist science. It is among the different gender-sexuality-spiritual-body concept abouit who you are and what you are thinking. If you pick up any feminist science work on what gender is and what sexuality is you will find this scale there. Not to forget this science is not seen as anti-masculintiy or manhood. It is just the way on how to get under the skin with how people can be so different and feel differnet. Like I guess that there was about 18 different ways of beeing. Transgender (if you are born in wrong body), sexuality (what you tend to love and wanna have sex with), spiritual (do you feel like a man or a woman) and the body-gender you have. All those things can differ and makes you a whole person. Also some of the feelings and such are connected to hormones, genes and enviroment. Go to an university library with extended works on gender and sexuality books on this matter and you will get a good grip on the stuff. I got a good grip on the stuff when I watched a Televised lectiure of this things during a whole day on SVT24 (the channel for news, long interweiws and facts and such in Sweden).

This model that I tell you about is a way of making it clear on how to describe people as full human beings in all those aspects so it is easier to know gender-spiritualy-body-sexuality.

Guess you can try Wikipedia...

Love Leelene

[oakspringer]

Being a homosexual male is the best thing ever!

Now, I sure couldn't say its always been this way but now its so perfect I wouldn't change it for the world.

I feel strongly that being gay is fun. There is a certain playfulness that comes with being a gay man, and openness that I can identify being related to being gay.

Most of my friends are gay men, and that to me feels just about right.

I can't imagine being anything else.

Ben

[The David]

I'm trying to decide whether this thread should be locked or stickied. lol

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by The David

I'm trying to decide whether this thread should be locked or stickied. lol

Nah. Just leave it.

[hollowman]

Keithhandy & helgi, thanks for the positive side u point out about gays.

i am not really confortable about this but i suspect that i am a gay too. Am i in denial??????????????????????????

Erin, how did u come up with the idea that we are gender neutral in the spiritual realm?? Is the some theory or hypothesis that might underlie this remark? i am very curious???

Alex Wu, i wonder how u reconcile with spiritual side dan accept yourself being gay?? Are u saying say that your religion or faith accepts homosexuality??

I have been struggling with Bible... about acceptance of gay. I have been driving myself nuts for some time now that i fail to reconcile religion with homosexuality...

PLEASE HELP!!!!

[Erin Pavlina]

We're gender neutral in the spiritual realm, yes. No more bodies, just energy. There are memories of being a man or woman, but our default state is conscious energy.

[The David]

Originally Posted by hollowman

Keithhandy & helgi, thanks for the positive side u point out about gays.

i am not really confortable about this but i suspect that i am a gay too. Am i in denial??????????????????????????

Erin, how did u come up with the idea that we are gender neutral in the spiritual realm?? Is the some theory or hypothesis that might underlie this remark? i am very curious???

Alex Wu, i wonder how u reconcile with spiritual side dan accept yourself being gay?? Are u saying say that your religion or faith accepts homosexuality??

I have been struggling with Bible... about acceptance of gay. I have been driving myself nuts for some time now that i fail to reconcile religion with homosexuality...

PLEASE HELP!!!!

My advice is to stop equating religion with spirituality. I'm not going to go on a Bible-bashing spree, but it's important to remember that religions have cultural contexts, and when you try to reconcile our culture with that of a 2000+ year old book (which is actually a collection of documents, some of which are much, much older than 2000 years), you will naturally experience some dissonance.

Try reading some other texts along with the Bible, and try to reconcile them. That will be a very awareness-raising experience.

[hollowman]

Thanx David. It never come across my mind that spirituality and religion can be two separate things. I always find these two synonomous.

Joining forum like this and reading other materials regarding homosexuality have always given me the comfort about being gay (am i??). I find peace and reassurance when i read things like: gay is a natural, in-born thing; neorobiological functioning of a gay brains differs from straight guys; more gays are coming out; the world in general is more permissive etc.

I wonder if i should denounce my religion (GOD forbids) so that i can be liberated to be what and who i think i am.

true that Bible is 2000+ year old compilation of manuscripts, but if i am into it then i have to believe its true right? (true that cultural context comes in).

i guess some forbidden things are universal and cut-across time, example it's wrong to steal 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today. It's wrong to rape 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by hollowman

i guess some forbidden things are universal and cut-across time, example it's wrong to steal 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today. It's wrong to rape 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today.

I disagree. Theft would not be wrong if there was no concept of property. If something didn't belong to you, how could it be stolen from you? Similarly, rape was not always wrong: if you believed that women were meant for nothing but breeding new children, then there is no such thing as rape.

Read the Bible closer. Rape was not wrong in the olden times.

[Kaspian]

You could choose to read the bible as a myth - use what works for you and dismiss the rest.

[The David]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

I disagree. Theft would not be wrong if there was no concept of property. If something didn't belong to you, how could it be stolen from you? Similarly, rape was not always wrong: if you believed that women were meant for nothing but breeding new children, then there is no such thing as rape.

Read the Bible closer. Rape was not wrong in the olden times.

It's also okay to lie if it is Opposite Day. In fact, it is encouraged.

[hollowman]

Kaspian: What u say it true. It's all a matter or personal choice...

Michael: Correct me if i am wrong, do u refer to the part in Genesis about how Adam and Eve begotten Cain and Abel and how human population starts from there? In that context, i concur that 'incest' was even allowed at that time.

And i am not aware of Opposite Day... I could be fun i guess...

[Michael Chui]

See this page: Rape in the Bible

[hollowman]

Thanks Michael. The website you recommended me reli enlighten me. Now i have a lot of thinking to do....

Thanks again.

[loulou]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

In keeping with my theories on gender-neutrality (and I separate gender from sex), I've had a long-standing inclination to believe that human beings are naturally bisexual. This is hard for me to swallow myself, since I don't seem to be. But at the same time, perhaps it can be explained in terms of the fact that human beings are omnivores: however, some people are vegans, and others are not. Some people make a value judgment via veganism (if you eat meat, you'r evil and horrible!), and others make a similar judgment via heterosexuality.

Similarly, I'd agree with The David and kljsadfhklj in saying that sexual orientation or preference can be changed, again keeping the analogy with dietary habits. We can certainly become vegans, or we can be raised vegans and introduce into our diet some meat.

This makes sense to me.

It does make sense!!!

I expressed that theory to a few friends, but reckon I would get kicked out of lesbo land if I talk about it too much.

I think that maybe all people can love both men and women, but maybe lots of people have a preference. It is tough for me to swallow too, because I am gay, and have no desire what so ever to be with a guy again.

But I used to like eating meat. When I was fifteen I made a concious choice to give it up. Now the idea of eating meat would make me sick. Similiarly, is it possible, that many lesbians realised that they liked women, and therefore turned themselves off men, subconciously.

I hate the theory. I thought of it, but I hate it. I hate the idea that I could like guys, because I really don't. But I think that there is a possibility that I somehow turned myself off them, like I did with meat, when I realised my attraction toward women. But in saying that, I do think bisexuals have a little preference.

So right now my preference is 99.9% women .01% guys. Buy maybe I could get myself into a state where it was something more balanced like 30%- men 70% - women. I'm not saying I could, but maybe it is possible.