The Dangers of Astral Projection (Blog)

[Erin Pavlina]

StellaBlue, you don't want to be "taken" at the mercy of unseen forces. Certainly not while driving!

[StellaBlue]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

StellaBlue, you don't want to be "taken" at the mercy of unseen forces. Certainly not while driving!

Well, I'm not sure that's exactly what is happening. I guess maybe I worded it wrong. I just wasn't sure how to explain it. It just seems to happen automatically when I focus hard on something or relax/rest/meditate. It is probably just something I will learn more about with time, or... maybe I am just nuts. That's why I don't tell anyone about these things

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

How frequently do I astral project?
Not nearly as often as I used to. During my teen years I was projecting as much as 3 or 4 times per week. I had some serious business out there at the time. In my 20's I would do it like 3 times a month maybe. Now, with 2 kids and working full time and spending so much time in the ether during the day, I'm definitely more interested in resting at night and not going out as often. What happens now is that I project when called (long story that I will share in another blog entry probably), I project when something is up with my kids who psychically call me (another long story I should probably blog about), and there are a couple of other reasons I'll go out that I'm not ready to explore publicly yet. To summarize, maybe once a month, sometimes twice a week. Depends on what's happening.

Do I still get the shaking/tingling?
Yes, every time. But it goes much faster now. I mean, I can separate much faster. I can also block it if it's happening and I don't feel like participating.

Do I ever talk to the demons and find out what they really want?
Yes, I used to do that a lot, back in the teen years. I could write a book about that (and did actually but didn't publish it and am thinking about it still). I don't see many demons now because I avoid them. But occasionally one will come around and I don't spend much time in conversation.

Great questions. Keep em comin!

Can I put a drawing in another room and have you project and be able to tell me what the drawing is of?

[Erin Pavlina]

That's a good standard test. That may have worked well in my hey day but I don't think I could do it now.

And the other thing is that if you slip into the astral plane you won't see the paper. If you're just out of body or having a mental projection you might.

[ConnorM]

I am only 13 and I have been trying to do this for awhile.
I was introduced to this by my scout leader, Michael Banner (He has been doing it since he was 11)

My question is..

Is it possible for you to be.. "turned" into one of the astral beings?

(i.e Vampire's, Demon's.. etc..)

[Erin Pavlina]

No, ConnorM, wrong genus.

[ConnorM]

That's good. I was scared in case I managed to project and then randomly got turned into a baddie.


I think I am actually getting close to doing it..
This week I have been waking up around 4 in the morning being unable to go back to sleep, because whenever I closed my eyes I would hear the sound you hear when you yawn (The tensing sound) and then get the feeling of my face being pulled to the side. o_o;


Any insight?

[Niamh]

Icky.. Nu Uh! I've gotten to the point of standing next to my body... but I often get confused with the whole "you don't need to open *those* eyes to see here". And I open my body's eyes.. ta da, I'm awake.

I don't think I'd considered the whole "demons visiting your body" thing though... I thought you would be pulled back to your body if anything went near. Nu Uh!! I don't think I'll try again until I fight off this new-found fear.

Demons! with my body! while I'm not there?! Nope... nonono not letting that happen.. hmph

[supertom]

how often do you guys go astral?? This sure beats sleeping i wanna do it every night !!!

[missmaria73]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

How frequently do I astral project?
Not nearly as often as I used to. During my teen years I was projecting as much as 3 or 4 times per week. I had some serious business out there at the time. In my 20's I would do it like 3 times a month maybe. Now, with 2 kids and working full time and spending so much time in the ether during the day, I'm definitely more interested in resting at night and not going out as often. What happens now is that I project when called (long story that I will share in another blog entry probably), I project when something is up with my kids who psychically call me (another long story I should probably blog about), and there are a couple of other reasons I'll go out that I'm not ready to explore publicly yet. To summarize, maybe once a month, sometimes twice a week. Depends on what's happening.

Do I still get the shaking/tingling?
Yes, every time. But it goes much faster now. I mean, I can separate much faster. I can also block it if it's happening and I don't feel like participating.

Do I ever talk to the demons and find out what they really want?
Yes, I used to do that a lot, back in the teen years. I could write a book about that (and did actually but didn't publish it and am thinking about it still). I don't see many demons now because I avoid them. But occasionally one will come around and I don't spend much time in conversation.

Great questions. Keep em comin!

Hi Erin, when I was eighteen years old (now 35) I had a single experience which scared the living daylights out of me. I can still remember the freaked out, out of control, fear reaction I had to the whole thing whence it occurred, just like it was yesterday. I have long wondered if that experience was what other people call "astral projection'. I'll give you a brief run down on what happened: I was laying down on a double bed with my partner sleeping next to me. I do recall thinking that I needed to go to the bathroom a second prior to drifting off (to sleep or someother conscious state). I then sat up, turned to the side of the bed, stood up, walked through to ensuites bathroom, stood near the toilet facility, lifted my hands to reach for my button on my jeans and my hands went straight through, there was no 'body' there at all, I immediately got absolutely petrified and then I zapped faster than lightening back into my body. I opened my physical eyes (although consciously I was already awake), felt a little disconnected from my body for aabout half a minute then got up and had to go have a rather large glass of water to wash the whole experience down with.
All I can say is, that was the most freakiest feeling ~ I was on completely unfamiliar territory which I didn't know how to control. ever since that experience, the experience of death scares me alot. I wonder if after I leave my body through death am I going to have that scarey feeling again.
Anyways, I'm wondering if you could tell me if that experience is what you describe as an 'astral projection'? And I'd like to try to get past this fear I have of death, which has come from that experience many years ago ~ any helpful thoughts or suggestions that I may be able to think about to assist me with working past that fear?

[Erin Pavlina]

You probably had a spontaneous out of body experience. It happens.

When you die you won't be alone. Either your deceased loved ones or an angel will come and greet you and help you make the transition. The only caveat to that is sometimes when people die instantly and unexpectedly it can take a short while for this process to be initiated.

[missmaria73]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

You probably had a spontaneous out of body experience. It happens.

When you die you won't be alone. Either your deceased loved ones or an angel will come and greet you and help you make the transition. The only caveat to that is sometimes when people die instantly and unexpectedly it can take a short while for this process to be initiated.

Thanks Erin, that was helpful. Have a great weekend. Maria.

[crazzymikey]

Hey,

A while back and in the past I have had what I thought to be extremely vivid sex dreams - I now realise that they were actually astral sex. I don't normally remember astral projecting but these incidents were extremely vivid and real, I knew what was happening as it happened just like in real life. They were a memory the next day not a dream.

Anyways I am concerned over what it was. I had the most amazing sex ever and it was passionate, sensual and encompassing. I couln't see the person I was with, it was more the sensation and kinda body parts/silhouttes. At the same time it was in my bed - I didnt go anywhere. Whom ever I was with must have come to me. I read all these things about demons and uncubi on here. I don't like the idea of having my energy taken or being violated by a sinister being. Being a gay guy it was definitley a man/male spirit that I was with. Is it possible it was someone I knew? or a spirit from a past life? a guide? or a demon? or a incubi? How can I tell? If I want to stop it - how would I do that? if its a good spirit how do I get them back? lol.

The whole annoymous sex thing seems more on the demon side to me? it was passionate sex and nothing else.

Although I wanted more and it was not totally unwanted, I don't think I could have stopped it, I felt I was being encompassed by something bigger than me, it was so seductive, it over powered me.

Can anyone help shed some light on this for me please?

[ming]

A few years ago I had a go at astral projection and all I achieved was my body shaking exactly like an airplane taking off it was so scary that I came off it straight away. Now reading your posts I can see that it was somehow astral projection but at the time I couldn't understand it and it felt like I was having a heart attack.

[HeadofTheVector]

Originally Posted by crazzymikey

Hey,

A while back and in the past I have had what I thought to be extremely vivid sex dreams - I now realise that they were actually astral sex. I don't normally remember astral projecting but these incidents were extremely vivid and real, I knew what was happening as it happened just like in real life. They were a memory the next day not a dream.

Anyways I am concerned over what it was. I had the most amazing sex ever and it was passionate, sensual and encompassing. I couln't see the person I was with, it was more the sensation and kinda body parts/silhouttes. At the same time it was in my bed - I didnt go anywhere. Whom ever I was with must have come to me. I read all these things about demons and uncubi on here. I don't like the idea of having my energy taken or being violated by a sinister being. Being a gay guy it was definitley a man/male spirit that I was with. Is it possible it was someone I knew? or a spirit from a past life? a guide? or a demon? or a incubi? How can I tell? If I want to stop it - how would I do that? if its a good spirit how do I get them back? lol.

The whole annoymous sex thing seems more on the demon side to me? it was passionate sex and nothing else.

Although I wanted more and it was not totally unwanted, I don't think I could have stopped it, I felt I was being encompassed by something bigger than me, it was so seductive, it over powered me.

Can anyone help shed some light on this for me please?

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Although the above post is an older one (Feb. '09), I felt compelled to address it since the phenomena that the writer describes is something I, too, have experienced and something I live in dread of having happen again:

I think I know what you are describing. It has happened to me, too, and it is disturbing but arousing all the same. I think the "distress" part can be attributed to a sense of guilt on the part of the "victim," or to a suspicion that this entity might be far from benign. It is anyone's guess as to the identify of this drop-in visitor. It could be someone you literally DO know. It seems more likely that it would not be someone known to you.

If this was "astral sex," it does not seem as though you were the astral traveler. Indeed, I would deduce that you were simply a target or, in more sinister terms, the victim.

First of all, I do not think sexual gratification while one is sleeping is always brought about by supernatural presences. Sometimes the release of sexual tension is just that: the body's way of bringing about release while asleep. To read articles that attribute these nocturnal discharges to "spirits" strikes me as nonsensical. I wish I could say the same for these other more "lucid" incidents, however, such as the one that happened to you.

With the recent explosion of interest in the supernatural, not to mention all sorts of other allusions to the spirit world in the media and on the 'net, we have incited a virtual ghost storm.

A clue (from my perspective, anyway) to the intentions of this invisible force that came upon you is in the way you described its presence as being bigger than you and overpowering. The sensations you felt really made sense because "sex" with one of these dark forces does not actually include penetration, although I have no doubt that once the spirit procures enough human sustenance via energy leeching, the sexual act will be that much closer to the real thing.

I believe you know in your heart that this force that overcame you was more sinister - and even malicious - than anything else.

As a matter of fact, I will go so far as to say that we humans are being attacked, "raped," tortured while we sleep, yanked from our bodies in the middle of the night, spied on, etc., at the whim of any number of invisible entities. Take your pick; ghosts, demons, astral projectors and "mystic travelers," earth-bound spirits, etc. The ones that don't ascend to higher states of consciousness simply prowl around on the earthly plane doing what they do best: seducing or tormenting their prey in exchange for another hit of "life force." Apparently these entities DO have physical appetites despite their lack of physical bodies.

Perhaps I'm on the wrong forum for not suggesting to you that you take up your amulets and charms in order to banish this seductive spirit. Rather, my advice would be to to strictly discourage this type of carnal indulgence, the sooner the better. A prayer to the One who will be there for you always is, I think, the only real solution along with abstinence. It is tempting sometimes to submit to the spirit's (or soul traveler)'s seductions, but for a few moments of pseudo- sex, it is not worth the price you will ultimately pay.

The scenario you have described (and one in which I, too, have engaged) might not be so different, in the long run, from selling your soul to the devil. Good luck.

[Akmc]

Glad i found this site and this forum so big up first of all for all ur time and effort to contibute to this,cos wiv out it the likes of others and myself here would be stumped.

While i dont condone the use of drugs,i have to share this experience and dont recommend anyone trying drugs at all.I was high on 'E' one time wiv a friend and he said he had never reached high levels of 'tripping' and wanted me to have go wiv him,so we loaded up on them to get an intense buzz.
We sat there and i was on the sofa legs up,side ways,leaning on the arm.
All of a sudden i got an electric shock in the back of my leg,it kind of hurt.
A green lazer broke out of me and projected forward filling the room length ways.It was flat and thin as paper,wiv a little 's' shape in the middle.
It raised up through my body,i could feel the energy of it.I saw my mates face take a funny turn,he didnt say anything.This lazer rose up to my neck level,making my head twist and my neck muscles contort.From there it left my body,stopped,went out like a light as such.My mate said to me 'what just happened to u?'..i said 'you tell me wot just happened to me'.
He then described exactly wot i saw,even the 's' shape in the middle.
Needless to say i stopped doing 'E' after this.Following this i had audiable buzzing in my head and a feeling i was gonna black out,all in a split second then i would be back in control.But it didnt feel like i was leaving my body at all.But reading this forum and hearing of the audiable buzzing u can hear,im starting to think that was 'involuntary projection' as such.
Im only now comin in to contact wiv astral as an interest,its been bought to me by a person coming in to my life.But i am very wary and thus researching this,as i believe i could have been mis-informed on some things,that is self protection and things.Some woman wants me to go in to her circle and insists i need to see wot she is seeing.
I 1st started having 'wicca' in my life at 28.I had lots of visions n feelings,felt i had my mother wiv me in a lot of times of trouble and got me through a period of fruition i believe.Kind of had that couple years thinkin i was going crazy,linking things in my life to actual things i had been thinking.I didnt know wot it was and opened up to a lady on the internet who showed me a lot of stuff on goddess,mother earth and such.This all followed after my lazer and head buzzing moments.I am now knowing of the great mother nature and wicca.Im getting pointed to get in to this for a reason i dont know yet.
There is mention of 'i had a lot of work to do out there' and know i have the same layed out for me.The thing is the fear.The first time to go and handling that,staying in control.My main concern is encountering a demon that may be empowered enough to severe my cord.Everything happens for a reason right.
So if im gettin drawn to do this,could there be entities that are given this kind of power to do this,so as to halt some one from doing something in life,weather it in the physical or astral worlds?Wot if i am needed there for some reason?Wot if i do not attend?Lots of questions amid some confusion.
I feel i could feel satisfied if i protect my room and protect my body from nasty entities,i could prob go forward.I feel i could enter,call for my mum and my guides and the arch angel micheal and increase my frequencies to higher levels.I feel i got most the science behind this,but its the leap of faith ha,stepping in to the unknown.Got feel i got all the angles covered.As it is i tried this wiv out protection and did some digging that led me here,thank the gods i didnt make it over,wiv wot i have read.So,to people that would wanna try it,researchh init.Can i do travel wiv others,is this a safe practice,or must the spritual journey be taken alone?And wot of the technique to cover ones eyes and ears....put on a radio wiv low white noise...to induce a state,would this be recommended,or would the use of a candle to initiate it be better.
Sorry if this one frys ur brain gettin through it ha,so many points,im sure u will rise well to this and thanking u for all ur advice and work here,reat site.
Oh also,i have been a cannabis smoker and found that i can almost get a lucid dream state on a high,having felt that being in this state has altered my thought process to my lifes happenings very intensely like this,so how would this maybe effect situations.Is this wot the shamens do and also do u know of the experiences wiv salvia,which is a legal substance to buy,but enables u to 'trip'.I guess projecting under influence may not be good thing,specially on salvia,which i am very very wary to try.Ended up adding more as i forgot most important bits ha,grr.I believe my flat has a old lady here,many sightings of cats in my flat,definate proof of this,people seeing things etc.
Also i been seeing a lot of black orbs in my flat,some black wiv milky edges and colours appearing in my eyes to the sides.And this is not on any drugs ha,i dont do them now and smoke occassional weed,which i think is blocking my dreams in sleep and i know i need to quit.

[LisaSparkle]

Stella Blue, I too have had such meditations where I felt like I was being "pulled" by my feet. I found it pleasant though, and went with it - ended up feeling like I was hanging upside down, swaying in the breeze...now I really wonder what was going on...

Well, I've been on these forums a few hours and I already have about 1878299 new questions

[cobrien11]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Fascinating! Wowowow...

Q. What’s this I hear about sex with demons? Is this even possible and if so, is it a good idea or a bad idea?

Demon sex is probably _not_ such a good idea. Wow. Did anyone ask about sex with angels?? If that's an option it sounds like a better choice..

What if the demon's really sexy? A lot of people _are_ drawn to the whole badboy and badgirl thing in daily life. I'll grudgingly include myself in that group. There's something sexy about rebels.

Is lust always bad?? Is it always low vibration? Do you lust for your significant other?

This whole "transferrance of energy" theme is _very_ interesting to me. I had a relationship where my long term partner was kind of an energy vampire, he was always really lustful and emotional towards me. I had to end it because I felt like he was sucking the life out of me, always using up my energy instead of creating his own. He never worked on his own skills, or tried to improve himself.

The irony is that many of us could be considered energy vampires to others who have stronger skillsets developed than we do alone. I'd go so far as to say that I'm somewhat of an energy vampire to you and Steve. Because you two have analytical and psychic skills that I don't, I look to you for answers.

I think the key might be to look for answers in people's work - instead of bothering them directly. This enables the "one to many" approach to work.

It's amazing how independant and self contained one has to be to avoid being a leech on those who are at a higher level. Doesn't that perspective make everyone sort of like that demon outside the room, just begging for a little bit of energy from a higher level spirit? Is it only a matter of degrees between a demon leeching energy from a higher level being and us doing so? I remember Steve saying that Jesus is his battery. Isn't that just another matter of degrees?

Would Jesus see Steve as a low vibration entity trying to take away energy?

lol, not physical sex its exchanging energy emissions being intimate and having sex are 2 different things.
I love you

[sgtdraino]

Hello everybody, I've got a question about astral projection, and I figured I'd ask the experts.

In her blog, Erin says it is not possible for you to get lost from your physical body, but that it might be possible to delay you from getting back to your physical body.

My question is, would it conceivably be possible to trap your spirit somewhere away from your body? For somebody to contain you, and essentially delay you from returning to your body more or less indefinitely?

A ring of ash, perhaps?

[Mynder]

I'd say it is POSSIBLE but not likely. It seems like something that would be very hard to do, and take an entity of considerable "power" to do.

Basically, it would mean CONVINCING YOU that you are indeed trapped, because the instant you realize it's all in your mind, you're free to return. Are you a gullible kind of person?

I liken this to hypnosis. When you are hypnotized, and the hypnotist tells you your arm weighs a ton, and you can't possibly lift it, then you're unable to move it. If a being in astral space can pull of such a kind of "hypnotic stunt" against you, then yes, you will be trapped, because you BELIEVE to be trapped. Once you realize the deception, you can break free of it and easily and effortlessly return to your body.

[Arlene deWinter]

I have been reading through these very interesting posts. I have had similar experiences that by hindsight have become very clear.

I grew up very close to the woods and there was a spirit that used to visit me. It was male and had stag antlers and stood in the doorway with the light behind him. He never did anything except pull me out of my body towards him. I remember it all being in slow motion, how I would get out of bed and float across the room. It usually started with this buzzing in my head that "woke" me up to the dream state where the spirit was.

As I got older, this stuff would happen but also with real men who were in my life. I always thought it was someone fantasizing about me and that they were interested -- that it was a prelude to something. Sometimes it was -- and if that was the case they would tell me what they had been doing so that I learned to trust my instincts on this. When it came to nothing it was like being raped. Deceived and raped.

Since this often happened in my sleep, I was not always able to block it out. The worst part would be if some guy was using me on that level and he was sleeping with someone else, I would become so sick to my stomach I couldn't stand it. If I was seeing the guy, it was really bad because I think my energy was getting mixed up with someone else's -- I don't know. I didn't even have to be seeping with him for this to happen, just have the chemistry.Because of this I have never been able to understand how people can have non-monogamous relationships. Do they all go around being sick all the time?

In 1989 after years of spiritual practices, I had full blown kundlini awakening and "enlightenment' I had Indian people coming along to stare into my eyes. I started my healing practice and worked all the time. I still do, but not so much now.

In 19997, I went to U.K. on my King Arthur Tour and met a young Indian guy that I bicycled with around Inishmoore. It was nice and friendly and fun. We talked and he told me he knew I was enlightened.

I got home and found that every time I sat down to meditate prior to seeing clients, that this guy would be in my space in a totally sexual way. It was very confusing for me at the time because he was 15 years younger than me and yet... The problem with astral sex is that it is better than the real thing and goes very deep. I won't be graphic, but it is amazing. It got so that I couldn't meditate any more. He just took over my energy field so that it was like sharing my aura with him. It was really bad for me, very isolating. I struggled a lot. I didn't want it but couldn't stop it. It was confusing like sexual abuse always is. Non consensual.

He knew what he was doing and even called me and admitted it. I became so bonded with him because of this that I went to England to see him and find out what he really wanted. I thought it was love because, what else would it be? Then he told me he "thought" he was gay. I said "How can that be? I'm not a man." He had no answer for that but just worked at ruining our friendship. It was the most emotionally devastating experience I ever had with a man because it struck on so many levels.

Well hindsight told me that he was just one mega energy Vampire. He knew I had all of this spiritual energy and he found a way to siphon it off. It was very damaging to me I'm afraid. It didn't do him any good either in the end. It was complete waste of time.

I have seen advertisements for men about how to get into women like this. It is VERY evil. I would rather deal with an entity, a demon, even the Devil himself than one of these human Vampires. As a seduction method it is pure nasty magic.

I don't know if this is useful to anyone, It might be TMI.Lol! But I hope it helps with perspective.
Best,
Arlene deWinter

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