Purpose and karma

[Adelina]

It's been said here that we choose our life purpose before we're born;
there are probably also certain roles on earth to fill
within each time period (eg presidents, leaders, etc)
and generally, the people with specific roles and with many
millions of people to lead,
must follow specific points on their route to their position.

But what if those are missed? If they don't get to the goal or role in time?
There must be 'filler' people,
who have someone broader and more flexible life paths and plans,
that can fill in for that position, if the primary person does not fill it.

Furthermore, what happens to the person
who missed their role?

I bring this up in part because
I just read a book, called The Seat of the Soul, by Gary Zukav,

that said that if someone with an 'important' role planned for their life,
in which they are to affect millions of people,

if they miss it, then they have the 'karma' of millions of people on their shoulders, which they must work off in millions of lifetimes.

This does not ring true, because someone who is set up for a great role,
if they miss it,
why would they be subject to more 'karma' than someone who has a
less substantial role, that misses it?

Wouldn't there be a natural process that would allow for that role to be filled by someone else on the earth, and carry out the same purpose,
and all things are even?

No one is 'punished' for not getting to the mark on time?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Adelina

It's been said here that we choose our life purpose before we're born;

But what if those are missed? If they don't get to the goal or role in time?

Furthermore, what happens to the person
who missed their role?

It sounds contradictory. If we choose a life purpose then we are living it. What's the meaning of choosing a life purpose that we then don't have in our life? In other words, there are no missed roles. There is no striving that needs to be done to become our life purpose. We already are our life's purpose that we are in right now. We don't miss something that we signed up to do.

I wonder if it really goes like it's often stated. Do we really have a divine plan that we spend our whole lives trying to find? That we are all lost and need to align with God? Or is our feeling of being lost or not whole, part of the divine plan and also part of what our life purpose is. To live through that feeling of being separate. That our role is not to try to become because we already decided, before we incarnated, what we would be doing here - including thinking we aren't complete or divine or whole.

All our efforts to have free will and exert our personal desires or trying to become enlightened, etc, is part of what we signed up to do, if that is happening with you. Then, eventually we see our will is nothing without spiritual backing and when that happens it comes to us out of what we decided before incarnating - not out of our ego's free will doing something to achieve becoming awake. lol

[Adelina]

hmm, that's not necessarily how it is with everyone's life.

I think some people do plan very specific roles,

while others, may have more flexibility and exploration in their plan.


And, what about the second part of the original question?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Adelina

hmm, that's not necessarily how it is with everyone's life.

I think some people do plan very specific roles,

while others, may have more flexibility and exploration in their plan.


And, what about the second part of the original question?

well, I am just proposing another way to look at it. That is there is no need to think people miss playing the roles out, in which case the second part of your first post is not part of the realm. Someone that is set up for a great role - carries that role out, otherwise they were never really set up for that role. I know I'm going against what Zukav wrote. all that complicated karma retribution stuff.

[wolfgang]

I actually have that Zukav book. Maybe I should read it again, but my current thinking is more about divine will and we really don't have much say in our roles - we already planned it out and are now living it out. We don't miss anything or have to try to find our calling or figure out what kind of karma will end up with whom, etc... but that's just me having a contrasting point of view right now.

[Adelina]

Actually I didn't much like the book or his writing style, but that was one point that stood out incongruently from the rest, or any other beliefs on this topic.


But I do wonder how the relationship between life purpose and karma (if there is such a thing) play out.

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I DO definitely see that some people have very specific roles in their lives,
as a revolutionary, leader, peacemaker, even prodigious artists, scientists, etc, born with very specific and strong talents and clear 'callings'

while the (possible majority) of others have a great deal of flexibility in their life and roles.

As cells differentiating in a body, some are 'tagged' to serve in a certain way, and all aspects of their makeup point in the same direction for a specific kind of functioning,

while others, are pluripotential, and serve where it is fit for the body as a whole.



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What does Erin see on this topic of karma and calling, both before we plan our lives, and afterward?

Is there an evaluation session, and what happens if we do or don't fulfill our purpose?

Will others fill in for us,

and what are the happens to the originally appointed person?