"signs" about possible soulmate false?

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Let's theorize there really is a wonderful man out there for you, who you'll love like crazy and he will love you back, and you're very compatible with him, and will have a ton of fun together, and a very fulfilling life, and he will make you wonder how you ever could have thought this 'relationship' with this rock star was what you wanted.

How in the world is this ever going to happen if you are certain you would be settling for second best, that nobody will compare to Rock Star, and you're challenging God to prove you're wrong?

Whatever happened to "this, or something better" ?

Its hard to think there is anything better when you want something so badly. It doesnt even have to pertain to relationships,you can be talking about a certain car you want,or a certain job. Its just the simple principle that you want a certain thing BECAUSE of what it is,you dont want something different or even similar. And it's also hard to get to that point of wanting something this bad,i mean this is 2 years in the making,its just hard to change what i want when i've built it up this much. I've always been like this,even in high school,the guy i had a crush on,i liked him for 5 years,even after i graduated! It was only when he was killed in a car accident that i was able to let go and start liking other guys.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Phantom of Destiny

lol rockchick I TOTALLY know how you feel...I'm going though almost the exact same thing as you....I don't think it's really fair, I'm totally trying to find a loophole to that XD

lol Well good luck to you with finding that loophole and if you are successful,share it with me

Maybe you should try and master lucid dreaming so then you can be in a dream relationship with him. Hey, it may not be real but if you get really good at it, it can seem real.

Yeah i've been into that for almost a year now,i've been somewhat successful but not to the point where i can create the perfect dream. Usually,he's in it,but i dont actually see his face clear as day,its like a regular dream,kinda fuzzy/not put together/scattered,you get the idea. A few times i've had dreams where we were kissing or close to each other but the control element isn't fully there (if it is at all),i have a hard time inducing lucid dreams because that takes a lot of time in bed,i mean you have to keep waking up to record your dreams,you have to get up for a bit and go back to sleep...when i was first practicing it,i was only getting like 5 hours of sleep and i could only handle that for 2 or 3 days. But i know...i'd be somewhat satisfied if i could induce lucid dreams of him every night!!

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by iamstillness

Hello again friend. Well actually, the one you are seeing in dreams and visions is your SoulMate, but I am not talking about the person that your mind has chosen to represent your SoulMate visually.

Your SoulMate is part of you, and can come to you (or be reflected to you) through any person in the world. You seem to have encountered someone in the physical world that you feel a great deal of Love for. What is happening there is that this person is serving as a mirror for your Love. They are showing you something that is inside of yourself, the Love. The Love you feel when you think of or are around this person, is coming from inside of you, not from the other person.

Please do not take this personally, but your ego is attached to the "mirror", which is getting in the way of Love. I have been there too, and it can be hard to shift your perception and release attachments to the impermanent, but once done you will be free to manifest your true SoulMate relationship in the physical world. First by opening your heart to your SoulMate inside of you (no matter what "body" your mind chooses to represent him as) and then eventually drawing into your life a perfect mirror (person) to share the physical SoulMate union with.

Ok after reading all this i'm even more confused LOL So you're saying,what i am feeling in regards to this guy is a soulmate thing,but HE isnt my soulmate,he's just the one that was (for some reason) chosen to mirror this back to me? Then why didnt my real soulmate do that instead? I mean,why go through another person for all this,wouldn't it be much more easier and faster if the universe would just show me the right one the first time?

The ego will never be truly satisfied with any parter you will have. This is because the ego actually will work to sabotage any real Love in a relationship because it fears annihilation.

But since most people follow their ego's wants,why wouldn't this destroy all their relationships then? I know people who are truly satisfied with their partners and they are not enlightened people,theyre just your average normal person who has never heard of all this. I just dont get why it happens for them naturally,but for some of us,we have to work at it...i mean using the ego rule you explained.

If you want to find your SoulMate, look first within yourself. Open your heart and allow the Love to pour from you to them. You must stop looking for Love outside of yourself, for truly every time you have ever felt the feeling of True Love, it came from inside of you, not from any external source.

But i DO feel like i am looking within myself! I know i can love,i feel love inside me,long before i even knew who this guy was! I just want to share it with him,i dont need him to make me love,i already know i don't need someone else to make me love. I still feel like i'm doing this right.

When your heart is open and you are allowing Love to move outwards to your SoulMate (their presence inside you/on the inner planes) then your heart will automatically draw into your life the perfect mate with which to form a SoulMate relationship with. This is the law of resonance, like attracts like. But understand that any ego beliefs you hold onto will also be reflected in any relationship you will manifest, so you have to work on constantly shifting to perceiving through the heart and not the ego. You are already experiencing this with the situation you've encountered with this man you are infatuated with. He is unavailable to you due to limiting beliefs you hold about Love.

But up there you said he wasnt my soulmate,he is just reflecting the love i feel inside me,that somebody else will be my soulmate...so,he isnt unavailable to me because i have limiting beliefs about love,he's unavailable because he isn't the one...right? I'm sorry i'm really confused about all this but it just sounds like you were saying 2 different things just now.

Your SoulMate is not a specific person to be found outside of you.

lol NOW i'm REALLY confused! But you said my soulmate will be brought into my life once i get over this guy...now its not even anyone outside of me?

I guarantee you that if you cast off your limiting beliefs about how Love should look and who it should be with, then you will find Love deeper and greater than you ever imagined.

THATS the problem...how can you not have an idea of who you want? Everyone has a preference,a type,and standards. If you open up your mind to be with ANYONE then it just sounds like you're being desperate,you dont care who they are or even if you're attracted to them. So how do you keep an open mind about who you are going to attract when you only like a certain type of person? I've dated guys who weren't my type and it only caused problems and i was never happy with them,so why leave it up to the universe who i get? That feels like an arranged marriage type situation LOL Where's the free will in choosing who you love?

Thanks for the link,i'll check it out!

[JustBe]

I think the process Erin describes in her article about soulmates, opens your heart.

Just write for yourself what you want, then find out what really is important and what is serving only the ego (mind) and what is needed that opens the heart.

Thanx, IamStillness, for writing these posts.

[iamstillness]

Hello Rockchick,

I apologize for confusing you. But then again maybe that means we are on the right track.

Ok after reading all this i'm even more confused LOL So you're saying,what i am feeling in regards to this guy is a soulmate thing,but HE isnt my soulmate,he's just the one that was (for some reason) chosen to mirror this back to me? Then why didnt my real soulmate do that instead? I mean,why go through another person for all this,wouldn't it be much more easier and faster if the universe would just show me the right one the first time?

It's not that he is or is not your SoulMate. What I am trying to help your understand is that the world around you is a reflection of your own self. Just like in a dream, the dream characters in the dream are just extensions of your own consciousness, reflecting different aspects of you.

Your SoulMate is a part of you, you cannot be separate. The SoulMate is not a person to find outside of yourself, but inside yourself.

Picture this. A person is standing in front of a tall mirror. They look in the mirror and think to themselves "goodness that person is a mess! look at those wrinkly and dirty clothes!". The person tries cleaning the mirror with windex and even moving the mirror around, but no matter what they do the person in the mirror still has wrinkled and dirty clothes.

We think it is silly because the image in the mirror is obviously a reflection of the person standing in front of it, but the person does not realize they are looking into a mirror at all. They think there is something wrong with the mirror.

I realize the analogy is a bit flawed but I think you can see what I am getting at.

Likewise if you are in a relationship with someone and you keep thinking to yourself how you would like them to be different, to be your SoulMate, and you keep trying to change them, it will not work. This is because they are a mirror you are standing in front of. You need to change yourself to change the reflection.

In the case of your SoulMate, what needs to be done is to change and shift your heart.

Here is a quote from the uniting TwinFlames website:

"If you are in a relationship where there is a difficult situation -- where you find that your coming together will bring pain to another person -- OR if you think someone is your Twin Flame but he or she is with someone else or for any other reason unavailable – this means that your own heart is not clear.

You are drawing the Twin Flame energy or the desire is being born in you to be with your Twin Flame, but something in you is still holding on to the old or keeping your Twin Flame at a distance."

THATS the problem...how can you not have an idea of who you want? Everyone has a preference,a type,and standards. If you open up your mind to be with ANYONE then it just sounds like you're being desperate,you dont care who they are or even if you're attracted to them. So how do you keep an open mind about who you are going to attract when you only like a certain type of person? I've dated guys who weren't my type and it only caused problems and i was never happy with them,so why leave it up to the universe who i get? That feels like an arranged marriage type situation LOL Where's the free will in choosing who you love?

The only one who has a preference, type and standards is the ego. The only one who thinks they are "desperate" is the ego. The ego is the one who only likes a certain type of person. The "i" (ego) is the one who dated guys who weren't it's type and found reasons to be unhappy.

The ego is not concerned about being able to choose "who" to love, but in what package it comes in. The ego wants to get, not to give.

Do you see it now?

There is no choosing who you Love... there is only choosing to Love. Conditional love is not love, it is ego. True Love does not have limits or conditions. True Love is giving, not getting.

But i DO feel like i am looking within myself! I know i can love,i feel love inside me,long before i even knew who this guy was! I just want to share it with him,i dont need him to make me love,i already know i don't need someone else to make me love. I still feel like i'm doing this right.

If you are feeling Love then you are on the right track. You can share your Love with your SoulMate without having them before you in a body (and this is the key to manifesting them in the physical form). Open your heart to your SoulMate inside you (visualize them if you want) and just pour Love!

All you need to do is feel that Love without thinking, and just surrender to it. Open your heart and feel the presence of your SoulMate there and just allow the Love to flow.

Its hard to think there is anything better when you want something so badly. It doesnt even have to pertain to relationships,you can be talking about a certain car you want,or a certain job. Its just the simple principle that you want a certain thing BECAUSE of what it is,you dont want something different or even similar.

I will add one more thing.

Say you are in a trainstation. There is a train currently in the station that you really want to get on to, and you really really think that you are meant to get on this train and ride it where it takes you. You keep trying to get on it, but the man at the door won't let you get on because you don't have a ticket. You refuse to accept this, and you hold up the train for hours, days, years, trying to get onto this train that you don't have a ticket for, because you are so sure you need to ride it.

Eventually, the train just leaves without you, and maybe it breaks your heart.

You are sitting on a bench in the trainstation totally bummed out that the train you wanted to get on so badly has left.

Suddenly, you notice another train pulling in on the same tracks that the other train just left on.

It's a really nice train and you get a good vibe from it. You approach and a man at the door of one of the train cars says to you "Goodness me! It took us FOREVER to get into this station! There was another train on the tracks that was being held up by something for a long time!"

You look in your hand and to your amazement there is a ticket there, for boarding the train that just pulled into the station. You get on the train and... "happily ever after".

Sometimes we don't really know what is best for us, but our egos can be really stubborn about things and slow down the process of the universe manifesting what is really in our best interest.

Namaste

P.S. you are welcome justbe

[wolfgang]

If this rock guy is a reflection of some inner state, like some are saying, what does that say about your inner state? Say he is a soulmate. And the reason he showed up as an unavailable has meaning. What does that mean about your inner state?

Why would a soulmate show up but not be reachable? What is the hidden message that could be there? He could be showing up like this just to help you see how you get attached to individual objects of affection and put them on pedestals. I know you think you know him. All you know is you think you would like him.

I know you say you know some specifics about him and you have these "signs". So why the signs? To show you something about yourself. To help you realize what you are doing with your thoughts and attractions and where you are placing your energy. This thread is choke full of that kind of energy. I mean that kind of energy that is latched onto some idea or thoughts about the way it should be for you. It's all to show you how you are able to fall in love with someone you haven't even talked to, how powerful your mind of thoughts is, how imagination can produce signs.

The signs could also be without you - that having something about this rock guy show up is the universe poking fun at you saying - "here's your soulmate but all he's here to do is show you how you latch on to your thoughts about soulmates and signs". I not kidding. Signs are this way too. They are messages that kind of play with you to help you see how you are operating - and even tempt you into exercising your ways. The universe will say "Hey, she would like this guy so let's tempt her into her pattern of falling for an unavailable guy so her imagination can get going on this - let's send her some 'signs' that he is the one". Then once you see a sign you get to feed all this in your thoughts which of coarse the universe will pick up on and generate more of the same.

It might be a chicken and egg issue, but usually it comes from the inner self, with a bit of imagining - and then a "sign" and then imagination gets tipped off into gear and then more signs -etc... Even then signs that seem unrelated to your conscious thoughts - are really just subconscious manifestations that pop out in the universe for you to more easily see what your subconscious thinks it wants.

It's to hopefully bring awareness to what it is you are doing that isn't working or to expose your ego's unconscious desires so you get a chance to not set yourself up for disappointments.

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@iamstillness and wolfgang:

Great posts! Thank you for sharing.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by iamstillness

It's not that he is or is not your SoulMate. What I am trying to help your understand is that the world around you is a reflection of your own self. Just like in a dream, the dream characters in the dream are just extensions of your own consciousness, reflecting different aspects of you.

This idea is hard to wrap my mind around. Does this pertain to family members too? Because those we can't help who we have,we are born into a life with them,we don't choose them. I'm just having a hard time understanding how everyone in our lives is a reflection of an aspect of you. That would mean that we all have like,1000 aspects because thats about how many people we might have in our lives. Does this include classmates? Does this include co workers? How can EVERYONE be a reflection of something inside of us?

Picture this. A person is standing in front of a tall mirror. They look in the mirror and think to themselves "goodness that person is a mess! look at those wrinkly and dirty clothes!". The person tries cleaning the mirror with windex and even moving the mirror around, but no matter what they do the person in the mirror still has wrinkled and dirty clothes.

We think it is silly because the image in the mirror is obviously a reflection of the person standing in front of it, but the person does not realize they are looking into a mirror at all. They think there is something wrong with the mirror.

I totally understand this but only when i think of it as a person in front of a mirror. But a person standing in front of another person,to me that isnt the same thing at all. What if there was a really sharp dressed lawyer standing in front of a bum? How would the bum reflect ANY aspect of the rich lawyer? They're nothing alike.

[B][I]"If you are in a relationship where there is a difficult situation -- where you find that your coming together will bring pain to another person -- OR if you think someone is your Twin Flame but he or she is with someone else or for any other reason unavailable – this means that your own heart is not clear.

So going by what that says,all we have to do is clear our hearts and this person will break up with whoever they're with and suddenly want you? lol It sounds too corny that that could be the answer. Too good to be true,too.

The ego is not concerned about being able to choose "who" to love, but in what package it comes in. The ego wants to get, not to give.

Do you see it now?

I see what you're saying,but that still doesn't change the fact that something inside me wants a certain type of person. I can be aware 'oh yes my ego wants him' but that doesn't stop me from still wanting him. Maybe i'll understand all this better after i get through that book i'm reading (Finding Each Other) i have a ways to go with it though.

There is no choosing who you Love... there is only choosing to Love.

I think i understand this...this means that sometimes in life,you will love someone that you didnt plan on loving,someone that you didnt choose to love. I've had this happen to me (not love but,we dated for 3 months) but it also didnt work out,either,so...even when i don't choose who to be with,it still doesn't work out LOL

You can share your Love with your SoulMate without having them before you in a body (and this is the key to manifesting them in the physical form). Open your heart to your SoulMate inside you (visualize them if you want) and just pour Love!

But this is what i've been doing,forever! Not even just with this guy,but EVERY guy i've ever liked! Since i've rarely ever physically HAD someone,i've been forced to just "share my love with them without having them physically". Basically that just means loving them from afar,only completing half the circle of love. How is this good enough? How can you truly love someone if you are the only one doing the loving,and it's all in your fantasies,not real life?

I liked the train story,although i find myself saying the same thing as with the mirror story...sure its a good story if youre just talking about catching a train! But when it comes to a REAL person,its different. Because trains dont mean that much to anyone. Who would get that obsessive over a certain train? They're all the same LOL

I'm sorry if it seems like i'm challenging everything you are saying,i just have to understand it in order to be able to apply it to my daily life,and i have a hard time understanding all this.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

If this rock guy is a reflection of some inner state, like some are saying, what does that say about your inner state? Say he is a soulmate. And the reason he showed up as an unavailable has meaning. What does that mean about your inner state?

Well not every "sign" i got was showing he was unavailable. I dont know exactly how "signs" show my inner state though,because most of them were visions of my future with him,or seeing his name somewhere. And in some of my dreams about him,we were together.

I know you think you know him. All you know is you think you would like him.

Yeah...but like i've also said,whenever two people start dating,thats still all they know about them,and sometimes not even that! I am only just asking for a chance to find out what this could become,i'm not saying he is the best man on this planet,i am saying i want to find out the reason for all these "signs" and i want to know what would come of being with him. Either i need to learn a lesson or he is the one i'm meant to be with. I just want to know!

I know you say you know some specifics about him and you have these "signs". So why the signs? To show you something about yourself. To help you realize what you are doing with your thoughts and attractions and where you are placing your energy. This thread is choke full of that kind of energy. I mean that kind of energy that is latched onto some idea or thoughts about the way it should be for you. It's all to show you how you are able to fall in love with someone you haven't even talked to, how powerful your mind of thoughts is, how imagination can produce signs.

Well i'm realizing that now,but isnt that a good thing? If the mind can create all this,why wouldn't it create the actual thing i'm thinking about?! Obviously i've gotten really good at it LOL *rational brain interjects-Yes i know,you cant use law of attraction on an ACTUAL PERSON*

The signs could also be without you - that having something about this rock guy show up is the universe poking fun at you saying - "here's your soulmate but all he's here to do is show you how you latch on to your thoughts about soulmates and signs". I not kidding. Signs are this way too. They are messages that kind of play with you to help you see how you are operating - and even tempt you into exercising your ways. The universe will say "Hey, she would like this guy so let's tempt her into her pattern of falling for an unavailable guy so her imagination can get going on this - let's send her some 'signs' that he is the one". Then once you see a sign you get to feed all this in your thoughts which of coarse the universe will pick up on and generate more of the same.

*gasp* This is horrible!! I want to cry after reading that! lol I can't believe the universe would be so cruel! Why would it give others something they focus on but to others it just rubs it in their face!?

It might be a chicken and egg issue, but usually it comes from the inner self, with a bit of imagining - and then a "sign" and then imagination gets tipped off into gear and then more signs -etc... Even then signs that seem unrelated to your conscious thoughts - are really just subconscious manifestations that pop out in the universe for you to more easily see what your subconscious thinks it wants.

So basically you're saying that anytime anyone thinks about something so much that they get signs from the universe about it,that isnt really what they want after all? Why isnt there a more practical method for this?! Why doesn't the universe give us signs pointing towards what we DO want then?! If it always knows,why cant it tell us?! Why does it have to show us what we think we want,if we dont really want it? It's misleading! And now i'm even more confused because if i dont really "want" anything that i thought i did,then i must not really want anything.

It's to hopefully bring awareness to what it is you are doing that isn't working or to expose your ego's unconscious desires so you get a chance to not set yourself up for disappointments.

Well its doing just the opposite! Why would it make you think you're on the right track (and other people have even said i was on the right track!) if its not right? To make me learn that i'm doing it wrong? That's like in school if a teacher would praise the student for getting the right answer then suddenly saying "hahaaa!!! I was just joking! You were wrong! But i'm not going to give you the correct answer!" It's just retarded!

[iamstillness]

It's okay RockChick, I am not offended at all by the way you perceive my words and respond to them. I deeply appreciate that you have spent the time reading what I have posted.

Namaste (spirit of God in me bows deeply (and gives a hug) to the spirit of God in you)

But this is what i've been doing,forever! Not even just with this guy,but EVERY guy i've ever liked! Since i've rarely ever physically HAD someone,i've been forced to just "share my love with them without having them physically". Basically that just means loving them from afar,only completing half the circle of love. How is this good enough? How can you truly love someone if you are the only one doing the loving,and it's all in your fantasies,not real life?

True Love is giving. The full circle of Love, is in your own opened heart.

Truly I say to you, the objects of your love in the physical world, are no more or less real than the objects in your imagination or your dreams.

Decouple your Love from the object, and allow simply the Love itself.

Decouple the idea of your SoulMate from the images you perceive with the physical senses.

Now I ask you to contemplate, what it is that I am mirroring to you.

You are a mirror to me also, and I thank you deeply for what you have shown me.

~ In Love ~

[Joely]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

But this is what i've been doing,forever! Not even just with this guy,but EVERY guy i've ever liked! Since i've rarely ever physically HAD someone,i've been forced to just "share my love with them without having them physically". Basically that just means loving them from afar,only completing half the circle of love. How is this good enough? How can you truly love someone if you are the only one doing the loving,and it's all in your fantasies,not real life?

I'm just wondering, Rockchick, have you thought about looking at your core beliefs about relationships? It sounds as though you've been through this "loving from afar" situation a fair few times, and there might be useful things you could learn about what you think deep down, subconsciously, about how relationships work, how lovable you are, and whether you can have the man of your dreams.

In my experience, I notice that when I wholeheartedly know something to be true, it's easy for it to happen and unfold in exactly the way I want. All my core beliefs and ideals are aligned to it, and I don't for a second need or notice outward signs of it happening according to what I want. Plop, there it is in my lap. On the other hand, when I want something but I seriously doubt, subconsciously or consciously, that I can have it or deserve it or if it's possible, then I need to look outside myself. That's when signs come in, and they can reflect any interpretation I choose to put upon them. They don't actually help other than to demonstrate that I'm really not in tune with what I want or know deep down that I can have it. All signs therefore mean "Go to work on yourself."

I would suggest, therefore, that maybe you should look into what you think about yourself deep down, what you think about whether or not you can have a truly fabulous relationship with a guy you really want. Building that relationship with yourself, a truly deep and loving relationship, will make you shine in a way you could have any man you want.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

Well not every "sign" i got was showing he was unavailable. I dont know exactly how "signs" show my inner state though,because most of them were visions of my future with him,or seeing his name somewhere. And in some of my dreams about him,we were together.

Then your inner state is trying to make that kind of future - duh.

Yeah...but like i've also said,whenever two people start dating,thats still all they know about them,and sometimes not even that! I am only just asking for a chance to find out what this could become,i'm not saying he is the best man on this planet,i am saying i want to find out the reason for all these "signs" and i want to know what would come of being with him. Either i need to learn a lesson or he is the one i'm meant to be with. I just want to know!

Knowing is overrated. It doesn't help to know. It's not really a matter of if you know him or not, then. It's a matter of available or not. He lives somewhere else. It's hard to hang out with him. Those are strong "signs" or realism.

Well i'm realizing that now,but isnt that a good thing? If the mind can create all this,why wouldn't it create the actual thing i'm thinking about?! Obviously i've gotten really good at it LOL *rational brain interjects-Yes i know,you cant use law of attraction on an ACTUAL PERSON*

There must be unconscious things that are being shown to you in this situation that you have to consciously work on. The universe is showing you something in this situation. Most of us do not know completely what our subconscious is thinking (that's why it's called "sub" or "un" conscious). A lot of it habitual. You may have a habit of chasing guys that are not available or wishing for something that is difficult.

*gasp* This is horrible!! I want to cry after reading that! lol I can't believe the universe would be so cruel! Why would it give others something they focus on but to others it just rubs it in their face!?

Don't hang on so tight to things. The universe is full of temptations. That's why we incarnated to have opportunities to choose from. It's a choice and part of you asked to have this situation come about - and you have even been reinforcing this situation with this thread and all the soulmate questions.

So basically you're saying that anytime anyone thinks about something so much that they get signs from the universe about it,that isnt really what they want after all? Why isnt there a more practical method for this?!

When we engage our imagination the universe listens. Also it listens to what ever the habitual vibes are from unconsciousness. That is why the universe pops out manifestations, for us to see what our whole being is doing - consciously and unconsciously. It not just what we think in consciousness - it's also our whole vibe with unconscious habitual thought forms running around. The universe will show us what we think we don't want out in cases of our habitual thoughts not being in line with what we consciously think.

The unconscious reflections are harder to recognize - because we don't think it's something in our vibe. But unconscious vibes are a big part of us and hopefully we are able to get conscious about those things that get in our way. The universe will respond to show you what is unconsciously part of your vibe - but you have to be open to the signs as being an inner state reflection.

Why doesn't the universe give us signs pointing towards what we DO want then?! If it always knows,why cant it tell us?! Why does it have to show us what we think we want,if we dont really want it? It's misleading! And now i'm even more confused because if i dont really "want" anything that i thought i did,then i must not really want anything.

Signs are reflections of our total vibe. The universe responds not only to what our conscious thoughts are but to our total being. It takes a lot to align our ego thoughts with total being. Our ego thinking is a tip of the ice berg and doesn't amount to much in terms of what the universe will show you back, when we aren't aligned with subconscious habits. This is why the universe might show us something other than what our conscious mind thinks - our habitual unconscious parts are usually getting in the way. Of coarse you want something with your conscious mind. That is ego. Ego is weak, not very powerful for bringing about desires. Total being on the other hand is something else - and doesn't want or strive, but rather accepts and allows. This whole LoA and IM stuff is about allowing and accepting. I don't think it's about us telling the universe what we want but being able to realize what the universe wants for us.

Well its doing just the opposite! Why would it make you think you're on the right track (and other people have even said i was on the right track!) if its not right? To make me learn that i'm doing it wrong? That's like in school if a teacher would praise the student for getting the right answer then suddenly saying "hahaaa!!! I was just joking! You were wrong! But i'm not going to give you the correct answer!" It's just retarded!

If one is obsessive, the universe will provide all the temptations to indulge such things. It's a mechanism that will show us how unconscious we are (hopefully). It's a freewill issue. We are allowed to choose to be unconscious and be lead into all sorts of dead ends. And the universe will respond with temptations. Then it's up to us to decide about it. If you like banging your head against the wall, the universe will give you walls. To be able to "be on the right track" is to see signs as temptations too. And temptations are the unconscious vibes manifesting. All that has to be made conscious and non-ego so that ones ego is aligned with spirit. It's being humble and allowing and not insisting to the universe that is must be a certain way.

It's your own lesson. The universe isn't trying to say you are doing the right thing then take it away. It's trying to show you what path you are putting yourself on and let you decide if you want to keep doing that. And a lot of that path is on automatic pilot based on what we've done in the past and habituated.

Signs that a guy is "supposed to be with you" is more like showing you how you attached to this image of that. Along with some other stuff that is probably unconscious that has made this "soulmate" show up as unavailable.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Joely

I'm just wondering, Rockchick, have you thought about looking at your core beliefs about relationships? It sounds as though you've been through this "loving from afar" situation a fair few times, and there might be useful things you could learn about what you think deep down, subconsciously, about how relationships work, how lovable you are, and whether you can have the man of your dreams.

Yes i've been through the "loving from afar" thing 90% of the time,with the rare occurance that the feeling is actually mutual. But,if my core belief was that i can never get anyone,how did it work out those few times? I mean,it should be all or nothing.

All signs therefore mean "Go to work on yourself."

Well now i've gotten a few answers on the signs. Some people say they DO mean youre on the right track,some say they are future events that will happen,some say theyre simply the universe showing you what you are thinking about,and then like your answer some say they mean nothing or not at all what you want them to mean or think they mean. I can't believe any of these are true simply because it's impossible that they could all be right.

I would suggest, therefore, that maybe you should look into what you think about yourself deep down, what you think about whether or not you can have a truly fabulous relationship with a guy you really want. Building that relationship with yourself, a truly deep and loving relationship, will make you shine in a way you could have any man you want.

Other people have said this too,and i keep replying,i already do know i can have this relationship! There is no reason at all why this should be impossible. I believe it with all my heart and then some.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Rockchick26

Yes i've been through the "loving from afar" thing 90% of the time,with the rare occurance that the feeling is actually mutual. But,if my core belief was that i can never get anyone,how did it work out those few times? I mean,it should be all or nothing.

I don't think it's all or nothing - it's a spectrum in a way. A core belief is a tendency to behave or expect certain things to be a certain way. It doesn't make something on or off - it's a dimmer switch that's never totally off or on.

Well now i've gotten a few answers on the signs. Some people say they DO mean youre on the right track,some say they are future events that will happen,some say theyre simply the universe showing you what you are thinking about,and then like your answer some say they mean nothing or not at all what you want them to mean or think they mean. I can't believe any of these are true simply because it's impossible that they could all be right.

Then what's left to believe if you are rejecting all these ideas of how to approach signs? I don't get your logic about ditching all ideas as a batch just because you think all of them can't be correct. I think all but "they mean nothing" are correct, btw. You are on the right track (in a way). It's possible futures (maybe not with the specific guy, but still not totally impossible). The universe is reflecting your inner desires (that's what the universe is - but usually hard to see this). Once I got a reading and the reader just told me a bunch of stuff - and I thought, well of coarse she'd say that since I've been thinking and dreaming about all that anyway.

Other people have said this too,and i keep replying,i already do know i can have this relationship! There is no reason at all why this should be impossible. I believe it with all my heart and then some.

You are ready - go have fun.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Then what's left to believe if you are rejecting all these ideas of how to approach signs? I don't get your logic about ditching all ideas as a batch just because you think all of them can't be correct. I think all but "they mean nothing" are correct, btw. You are on the right track (in a way). It's possible futures (maybe not with the specific guy, but still not totally impossible).

I dont know what i beleive,thats what i'm saying,so i'm not going to put my trust in ANY of them because i dont know which one is right. I'm just going to totally ignore signs from now on cuz they've never meant anything. One time,about 15 years ago,when i liked this guy i knew,i flipped 5 coins at the same time and i said if they all landed on heads then i am going to be with him. All 5 of them landed on heads. I freaked out. And i wasted the next 12 years waiting for him to be with me,but we were never anything more than friends.

And i dont like how some signs "in a way" mean what you think...why not completely? Why not exactly? I dont get that. How can a sign about a person be correct except for the person that you see in the sign? lol I just find it hard to believe the universe would be so vague and misleading. I feel toyed with. If we were meant to know this stuff,wouldn't we all do it as easily as breathing?

[Tigerlilly]

Originally Posted by iamstillness

I highly suggest the book "Say Yes to Love" which can be found here: SoulMate Love, Opening the Hearts of Humanity (I am not affiliated with this website in any way)

Namaste and God Bless

Oh my, this is synchro at its best I guess, I was just reading down the thread and came to your post, checked on the website and read this:

"Twin Flames are the forces of Creation, the two strands of the cosmic DNA from which life and Love comes forth."

This really knocks me right out of my shoes, in trying to come up with a likening to how I picture this twin soul relationship, that's exactly the same likening I came up with. Like it was being some kind of spiritual DNA strand with some other being, totally unrelated in life but always connected on a spiritual plane and in some weird way even creating the same experiences.

It's so bizarre really when you come to think about it. But I really do believe you can have a spiritual twin like you can have a physical twin, someone you're empathically connected with throughout your whole life and vice versa without even knowing of the other one's existence.

If you don't dive headover into the love of your lifetime aspect, and see it all tainted rose, it's really pretty fascinating. Since physical twins are not meant to be your one and only love I don't think this is what having a soul twin is all about either.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Then your inner state is trying to make that kind of future - duh.

Well,if my inner state is trying to make this happen,is that the same thing as my unconscious wanting it too? It was just wierd cuz i asked to see my future and i saw those 2 flashes of me and him,not something i created but more like it was shown to me from an outer source. I know what it feels like to imagine or fantasize and these were not like that at all. Just thought it was strange cuz that's never happened to me.

Knowing is overrated. It doesn't help to know.

Well to me,knowing is a form of closure. If i KNEW this was simply my ego's obsession,i could enjoy it for what it's worth. But if i KNEW this was meant to be,i would relax knowing the universe will take care of it and bring it to me in due time.

It's not really a matter of if you know him or not, then. It's a matter of available or not. He lives somewhere else. It's hard to hang out with him. Those are strong "signs" or realism.

But that doesnt mean he's unavailable. Lots of people meet someone from other states. My uncle married a woman who lived 1000 miles away and moved there to be with her. It isnt impossible.

You may have a habit of chasing guys that are not available or wishing for something that is difficult.

The only reason i seem to chase unavailable guys is because i have high standards and those types of guys have always been out of my league. But i dont feel that way anymore.

It takes a lot to align our ego thoughts with total being. Our ego thinking is a tip of the ice berg and doesn't amount to much in terms of what the universe will show you back, when we aren't aligned with subconscious habits. This is why the universe might show us something other than what our conscious mind thinks - our habitual unconscious parts are usually getting in the way. Of coarse you want something with your conscious mind. That is ego. Ego is weak, not very powerful for bringing about desires. Total being on the other hand is something else - and doesn't want or strive, but rather accepts and allows. This whole LoA and IM stuff is about allowing and accepting. I don't think it's about us telling the universe what we want but being able to realize what the universe wants for us.

This paragraph helped me understand much better!! Now i realize this is probably an act of ego. I WANT him. i DESIRE him (desire in the wrong way). I guess i can tell the difference now. But i still feel real love inside me when i think of him,and i dont feel that when i think of other guys. But still,i guess this is all an ego thing and thats why this isnt a good thing to be trying to manifest. I wish it was easier to find out what your unconscious wants. Even my dreams tell me i want him,so i dont know any other way to get to the deeper levels of what my soul wants. I guess that kinda defeats the purpose though,doesnt it? lol We're supposed to just let it happen,not find something to want.

If you like banging your head against the wall, the universe will give you walls.

I do feel like i'm banging my head against a wall,but i DONT ENJOY IT! But,i guess thats a downside to the LoA...the universe gives you what you are experiencing. So i have to basically try to pretend nothing is bothering me. But i suppose then it'll still know that deep down it still is LOL AGGH! i just cant win LOL It's like a ruthless warrior...anytime i see a chance to come out ahead,it beats me down again

Signs that a guy is "supposed to be with you" is more like showing you how you attached to this image of that. Along with some other stuff that is probably unconscious that has made this "soulmate" show up as unavailable.

Well isnt everyone (not these forum members) but the general public,aren't they all attached to an image of something they want? Everyone i know has a type of person they want to be with. My mom likes cowboys. One of my friends likes black guys (she's white),one of my other friends likes shy depressed guys. And i like musicians. I dont see how this is a bad thing to be attached to an image of what you want.

[Tigerlilly]

I'm grateful this thread has come up, to me it's like a mirror of my own internal dialogue.

[musiqcalessence]

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