Animals set for slaughter

[Spirittap]

Hey, Erin.

I was looking around the veggie forums and an interesting question came up. A poster was asking about whether or not an animal set for slaughter would try and influence a human in a negative way when the animal dies. The human(s) being the one who ate the animal. I guess the same would go with the people involved in the process too.

I have read and many mediums seem to agree that as humans we choose our parents, what we need to learn, and generally how things will go. Could the same be said for animals? Do they choose the life of an animal set for slaughter?

[Erin Pavlina]

I think I may have written about this in a blog entry or at least a response on the board. Animals choose their lives knowing it's a possibility (perhaps even a strong one) that they are going to be slaughtered. Why? To serve as an example; to provide yet another opportunity for people to wake up to their compassion.

Animals don't seek revenge on humans once they are dead as far as I'm aware. I've never encountered an angry cow/steak in the afterlife.

[Mr.Mustache]

"Animals choose their lives knowing it's a possibility (perhaps even a strong one) that they are going to be slaughtered."

Cows are pretty dumb...no matter how hard you try explaining it to them I don't think they're going to understand that we eat them so I wouldn't think they have much say in the matter... Unless in the spirit world there are forms of communication even cows understand...

[Erin Pavlina]

Yes in the spirit world the animal consciousnesses are not stupid and unaware. Some people are dumb but in the ether they are still conscious and aware.

[absvan]

Eastern philosophy says that only human beings are conscious of realizing god and hence its lucky to be born as a human being. Animals are not capable of enlightenment.

So going by that I am not sure if animals are conscious.

[MyEyeIsOpen]

They are in a different sort of way. There seems to be very little "meta cognition" in animals, and I think it's simply a matter of a) less energy, b) more disorganized energy. I think we can agree that great teachers have massive energy -- they radiate. But that's not sufficient -- their energy is also properly "organized."

Imagine a person as a collection of waves. Imagine the waves in the rough shape of a human being if it helps you. These waves may be many, but they are small -- different colors, different sizes, different speeds. They all dance around each other, bounce off one another, cancel each other at times, and amplify each other at other times. This is normal, but it's disorganized.

We can use our minds to harness those waves, bring them to a consistent state of speed, length, etc -- the more we do this, the more are "whole," the more we are complete beings in and of ourselves. There is no conflict with our energy, it moves as one.

People just beginning meditation are learning to quiet their minds because this is the first time they will experience harmony in their energy. It will be quiet, serene. This is zen neutrality. It is beautiful because your energy is in harmony, but it is just the beginning.

One stops their energy to understand what it is like to be in unison with one's self, but the next step is to move -- to allow your energy to move -- but to do it with joy and purpose. The ones who master this are the radiant teachers.

The step beyond that is to perceive the Godhead above you. Think of it like the curvature of the earth -- as a person, walking around during the day, you cannot perceive the curvature of the earth at all. When a person achieves internal harmony, they are free to perceive the "wavelength" of the large reality. One must use his benevolent, willful vibrations to align himself to the larger reality, and beyond that I do not know, but I expect to continue into a fractal infinity of wider perception, and harmony with increasingly true being.



Ok, I totally went off on a tangent there -- but it was necessary that you see the larger picture before you understand that animals are less developed energies, and I think of them as spiritual children.

I do something that most people find odd -- when I find an unfortunate animal who has been killed by a car, like a cat for example, I stop if I am able. I pick up the body, and bring it to the side of the road -- I try to hide it where it lie in peace, like under a bush in a low traffic sort of area. I then connect with the animal.

Imagine you are an animal -- a cat, say. You live, you learn, you have no malice, but you are governed by animal fear at times. You experience happiness and comfort in the arms of your human owner, who takes care of you. Makes you secure. You feel all this at a visceral level, hardly aware of your own body, barely able to distinguish the higher and lower vibrations of thought and physicality.

One rainy night, you are making your way home -- you are nervous, and cold. You begin to run across the street when you enter into an utterly terrifying, blinding pain -- confusion, feral anger, pain, terror grip you. You have no way of conceiving what has happened, or why. What it is, or how you should move away from it. You are in a dark, horrifying place, bundled defensively as a black cloud of energy that, like a knot in a person's back, is self-supporting, and will not budge.

If you are the type of "doctor" who can diagnose conscious energy, then this will break your heart, as it breaks mine. This spirit longs for comfort, and for light. I connect with it to shine light, to show compassion, and to say "I'm sorry this happened to you, it's not your fault, you are loved, and mourned, and you are free to go -- here is the way." Feeling the glad energy dissipate and leave the cloud behind is one of the best feelings in the world.

To answer the original question: I don't think the slaughtered animals are capable (or would desire to if they were) of wishing harm on you, and they aren't aware enough to realize the chain of causality that led them to where they are after they die. It's just like a cat who gets hits by a car, but lives: knows he is in pain, but cannot really conceptualize what a car is, or what it's for, or how he is being healed by the vet, or why, or anything -- it's a more pure form of being, in a way, because it's more basic. They need to be respected and treated with dignity, because they are our children, and they, like us, are all part of the complete reality-- at once nothing and infinity, but stuck in their minds somewhere in between. It's just a matter of degree.

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That was way longer than I planned. Hope it helped.

[Spirittap]

Thanks Erin. That's basically what i told them before asking you. I just wasn't aware of the reason they'd decide to come back while knowing what the chances of them being slaughtered are.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Yes in the spirit world the animal consciousnesses are not stupid and unaware. Some people are dumb but in the ether they are still conscious and aware.

What do animals do in the spirit world?

[Erin Pavlina]

When i've channeled deceased pets during readings (rare but it does happen) I have been surprised to see they are still very attached to the living. Now, it's possible that the ones I'm seeing are in the minority because it is rare for me to pick up on one. Maybe the rest are long gone, fully crossed over, reincarnated, I honestly don't know. A pet psychic might know more about this than I do.