Suicide in the spirit world

[Rosie]

Hi guys

This is to anyone who can communicate to their spirit guides.

Could you please ask them a question for me?

What happens if you get tired in the esther? I know that on earth you can just commit suicide, but is that possible in the spirit world? Maybe you've lived for billions years, and you don't want to continue on anymore. You enjoyed your time in the spirit world, but feel like you've had enough.

Anyways,

Thanks a lot
Rosie

[Spirittap]

From what i understand, energy does not die and you can always come to earth if you want change. I'm assuming that it is highly unlikely a spirit would want to commit suicide, even if it were possible. The spirit would more likely be drawn to change.

[Spirittap]

Originally Posted by Rosie

You enjoyed your time in the spirit world, but feel like you've had enough.

If you're living an awesome life and everything is going your way, why would you suddenly say that's it, i'm done?

[Rosie]

Thanks for the response

If I remember correctly, Erin mentioned a dream where she spoke to a spirit that told her you could either choose to continue on as an individual spirit or return to source energy( I could be wrong, I read it along time ago.) But I was hoping to get some other view points aswell.

I just could never imagine living for eternity. It would be great for awhile, but eventually (after millions of earth years) I'd become tired, you know. Eternity is a LONG time.

[Spirittap]

You're weclome.

Technically we are all one. We are different pieces of the same puzzle. I'm not certain what this Spirit meant by returning to source. Either a form of hibernation or just a collective form of consciousness.

I think your point of view is from a human perspective. I wouldn't want to live on Earth for eternity. Something tells me from a Spiritual perspective i wouldn't share the same point of view.

[Erin Pavlina]

It's not like you live eternity playing a harp and eating all you can eat pasta.

There is plenty to do in the next dimension or even if you come back here.

[Spirittap]

I don't think i'd ever get bored of eating pasta, lol.

[Old Soul]

I would not think a spirit could comit suicide

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Spirittap

Technically we are all one. We are different pieces of the same puzzle. I'm not certain what this Spirit meant by returning to source.

I don't think the ideas of "all is one" and individuality necessarily conflict with one another. It's just that individuality is a temporary state, like a glass of water is a temporary state for that water to be in. (Water is water is water, but when you put it in a glass, it becomes a distinct "glass of water".) While you're in your body, you mostly function as an individual, hence your inability to immediately read everybody else's minds.

I don't personally know how easy it is for this temporarily defined identity to remain distinct after the body dies, but I would assume Erin would say it's very common.

[Spirittap]

Originally Posted by KeithHandy

I don't think the ideas of "all is one" and individuality necessarily conflict with one another. It's just that individuality is a temporary state, like a glass of water is a temporary state for that water to be in. (Water is water is water, but when you put it in a glass, it becomes a distinct "glass of water".) While you're in your body, you mostly function as an individual, hence your inability to immediately read everybody else's minds.

I don't personally know how easy it is for this temporarily defined identity to remain distinct after the body dies, but I would assume Erin would say it's very common.

Even if something looks seperate, they are still very well connected even if you are not aware of it.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Rosie

What happens if you get tired in the ether? I know that on earth you can just commit suicide, but is that possible in the spirit world? Maybe you've lived for billions years, and you don't want to continue on anymore. You enjoyed your time in the spirit world, but feel like you've had enough.

We are multi-dimensional beings. There are many dimensions in which our consciousness is active, the more familiar ones are the physical, emotional and mental dimensions. You use your volition to become physical at every moment. If physicality is a choice, then you can stop choosing to be physical at any time, and disappear from this dimension.

The choice to be physical is quite unconscious and so is the option to leave (and return to) physicality at any time. That's why there is suicide. It is a method of leaving the physical that the mind agrees with. The mind has a framework for death... you have to kill the body so you can leave. In actuality you're not killing the body, you're increasing your denial to the point that you cannot stay physical anymore and there is not enough space or movement to hold you in the physical plane.

Tired in the ethers? You can put your consciousness into less aggressive forms and focus in more 'comfortable' dimensions of existence. Physicality can be very rough/raw, and you're here to evolve your consciousness, quickly. You can also follow the same path outside the physical, but it's not the same.

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Spirittap

Even if something looks seperate, they are still very well connected even if you are not aware of it.

I think the intensity of your belief is eclipsing my explanation of "the possible how". Separateness is not always a bad thing. It's why recording studios have walls.

We can be ultimately connected, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of drawing a perimeter around ourselves and saying, for now, I am me.

[Spirittap]

Originally Posted by KeithHandy

I think the intensity of your belief is eclipsing my explanation of "the possible how". Separateness is not always a bad thing. It's why recording studios have walls.

We can be ultimately connected, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of drawing a perimeter around ourselves and saying, for now, I am me.

I understand what you're saying, but something that is separate is disconnected. We may appear to be separate, but we are all infact connected. Our actions have an effect on one another. You may not consciously be aware of how great the effect is, but your higher self is. When your time is done here, you become aware of your connection to others by experiencing first hand the results of your actions through a life review. You can be aware now by putting yourself in another shoe's, so to speak.

Dannion Brinkley once said something along the lines of, i was tired of punching myself in the face. What he was referring to is his many NDE's and life reviews. He felt the effect of his actions.

If we were truly separate, then a medium could not do his or her work. The connection is already there, we just need to be aware of it and open to it.

[Andwan]

from what I understand there is no end to eternity, so there is always something new to do....I agree that that is entirely a human thing that you would someday get tired of the otherside...spirit is eternal...there is no end.....

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Spirittap

I understand what you're saying, but something that is separate is disconnected. We may appear to be separate, but we are all infact connected. Our actions have an effect on one another. You may not consciously be aware of how great the effect is, but your higher self is. When your time is done here, you become aware of your connection to others by experiencing first hand the results of your actions through a life review. You can be aware now by putting yourself in another shoe's, so to speak.

Dannion Brinkley once said something along the lines of, i was tired of punching myself in the face. What he was referring to is his many NDE's and life reviews. He felt the effect of his actions.

If we were truly separate, then a medium could not do his or her work. The connection is already there, we just need to be aware of it and open to it.

I'm still not convinced that what you're saying contradicts me. Right at this very moment, you have a name, you have a perimeter around your body, you can look at yourself in the mirror and recognize you, other people know which person you are. I'm not saying you're "totally disconnected", so I don't know where you're getting this. I'm saying that you're DEFINED, does that word it better?

Like the water in the glass. It's not technically TOTALLY separate from the water in the ocean, because there are molecules of water in the air, etc. -- but for practical intents and purposes, it's a glass of water. The world is round, but when you need directions to a restaurant, you can print it out on a flat map, because it's a small enough part of the earth's surface that for all practical intents and purposes, it's flat. For all practical intents and purposes, I'm Keith Handy, I'm 38 (almost) years old, I'm 6'2" and play guitar.

You are connected to me, but there is resistance on that connection. I could not hand my guitar to you and say "play what I'm thinking" and expect you to play it. That resistance is the separateness I'm talking about. It's not absolute, but it's enough that for all practical intents and purposes, we have identities.

And I'm not saying that's a bad thing! If you were putting on a play, would you tell all the performers to keep exchanging costumes throughout the whole performance? Maybe to be avant garde. But it would be really inconvenient.

[Erin Pavlina]

To me connectedness is like fingers on a hand. The thumb can't do what the index finger can, and the pinky certainly can't do what the thumb can do, but all fingers are part of the hand and all of them working together can probably do things that the individual fingers cannot.

[Lola]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

To me connectedness is like fingers on a hand. The thumb can't do what the index finger can, and the pinky certainly can't do what the thumb can do, but all fingers are part of the hand and all of them working together can probably do things that the individual fingers cannot.

I've always had a water metaphor in mind - kind of like what Keith describes - but I really like your hand analogy!

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

To me connectedness is like fingers on a hand. The thumb can't do what the index finger can, and the pinky certainly can't do what the thumb can do, but all fingers are part of the hand and all of them working together can probably do things that the individual fingers cannot.

I'm a thumb who has been asked over and over by the other fingers, "why do you insist on facing the wrong direction?"

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Lola

I've always had a water metaphor in mind - kind of like what Keith describes - but I really like your hand analogy!

It was fun unknowingly sharing a metaphor with you while it lasted.

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

To me connectedness is like fingers on a hand. The thumb can't do what the index finger can, and the pinky certainly can't do what the thumb can do, but all fingers are part of the hand and all of them working together can probably do things that the individual fingers cannot.

I guess Spirittap's original question was, how can there be a distinction between puttering around in the ether as an individual, and returning to source, if we're all source anyway. My best guess was that there could still be some kind of definition, and when I used the word "separate" I did not mean "disconnected", I merely meant retaining some sense of identity.

There is nothing that defines the state of Colorado except for an imaginary rectangle drawn around it. Yet, we have a concept of "Colorado". When we no longer have a body to define us -- and as you say, we no longer have a physical appearance or gender, but have a distinct enough identity that we can use a person's memory of our appearance or gender as a way of identifying ourselves -- how do we retain even that much identity? How are we not simply "some of all that is" at that point?

[Erin Pavlina]

We're Source's fingers. Tendrils sent out to experience and report back.

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

We're Source's fingers. Tendrils sent out to experience and report back.

Okay. But say I make a man out of clay, and his hand has four fingers. If I want, I can smoosh the clay in his hand all back into one glob and re-shape it to have seven fingers. Same clay, different number of fingers. Do you think we retain our original definition, or do you think we can be re-amalgamated and re-defined?

And I don't just mean changed like a caterpillar to a butterfly -- I mean reconfigured as a group so that there is a different number of us out of the same source material.

[Spirittap]

Keith, i think we are saying the same thing, but in a different way. You are focusing more on one part, while i am on the other.

When you first quoted me i didn't get the sense you were trying to answer the source question. It seemed to me more like you had a problem with everyone being one.

As i said earlier, we are different pieces of the same puzzle. Even if you take a piece off and run with it, there's still this imaginary force that connects us to the puzzle. The majority of people don't seem to be aware of this, but when you become more Spiritual and connected to Spirit and/or Source, then this awareness gradually becomes apparent.

[Spirittap]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

To me connectedness is like fingers on a hand. The thumb can't do what the index finger can, and the pinky certainly can't do what the thumb can do, but all fingers are part of the hand and all of them working together can probably do things that the individual fingers cannot.

Nice simple way to put it. Ty.

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by Spirittap

Keith, i think we are saying the same thing, but in a different way. You are focusing more on one part, while i am on the other.

When you first quoted me i didn't get the sense you were trying to answer the source question. It seemed to me more like you had a problem with everyone being one.

As i said earlier, we are different pieces of the same puzzle. Even if you take a piece off and run with it, there's still this imaginary force that connects us to the puzzle. The majority of people don't seem to be aware of this, but when you become more Spiritual and connected to Spirit and/or Source, then this awareness gradually becomes apparent.

Yep, and I agree with you. Just some stumbly communication in the beginning there. Most people don't grasp the "all is one" thing; I do, but I was just posing questions or ideas pertaining to the temporary distinction of identity that we have in the physical world, and how little or how much of that can continue to exist after we move on.

Example (deliberately choosing an example that will make this as wordy and rambly as possible, just because I like to be funny): when The Artist Formerly Known as Prince passes on, even though he will no longer be male, black, or short, will there still be a distinct spirit we could refer to as The Spirit Formerly Known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince? And if so, what would continue to define him/her/it as such?

Let's say the physical world as we can perceive it is the water in a fish tank. Pretend we can see what's in the water, but not what's outside the water. You dip your fingers into the tank just enough that they're under water, but not enough that the whole hand is apparent. Even after we remove the hand from the water, although it's no longer visible, it's safe to assume there's still an thumb, an index finger, a "please drive more considerately, sir" finger, a ring finger, and a pinky. So that's one possibility, but that assumes that the hand is solid in some way and the fingers retain their form.

My question is, do we know if the fingers are solid, do we know they retain that particular form -- once a pinky, always a pinky -- or can the hand itself morph before it goes back into the tank?

By the way, I hope some of my metaphors make you folks laugh, because I sure make myself laugh.

[Rosie]

Ok, another question. When we die, do we return to the source, or do we continue being individual spirits?

[Erin Pavlina]

Keith I am laughing with you at your choice of metaphors and analogies.

I do believe we can smoosh the fingers together to become one digit but that is an extremely advanced thing that I don't see as likely on earth nor do I see it as necessarily the right thing to do because we were meant to incarnate as separate fingers. Taht's a philosophical issue I'd want to think about.

So what happens to our individual identities when we go back to the ether...

I probably should answer this in a blog entry so everyone can benefit. The short answer is that you can retain your earthly identity for a while but eventually you will shed it like a costume. Reasons to hang on to it involved helping those you left behind. Only your higher self will remain but it will retain all the life times you've had or will have.

When we die we return to Source, yes, but there is still an individual consciousness. Again, like fingers on a hand. Or a cell in an organ.

[Rosie]

I hope you write an article about it I love reading them.

I used to be really skeptical of psychics, mainly because I didn't see why we would retain our earthly indentities once we died. I thought it was silly whenever a psychic would claim to have contact with "Aunt Phelma". If we could incarnate many times, why would we retain that individual identity and not the rest? It makes more sense that we maintain our earthly indentities only temporarily inorder to communicate to, or help family members. (I'm not longer a skeptic:P)

I recently watched the movie Golden Compass(great movie by the way). The characters are living in a parallel universe. On earth, our souls are contained within our bodies, but in their universe, people's souls are contained within an animal. The animals and the humans are in a sense "soul partners, and together they make up one soul. I always wondered if we have something similiar in the esther. Maybe our higherselves are like the animals in the Golden Compass. I guess I'll find out one day

[Alfonso Crawford]

Thinking about it, I the only thing I care about is staying with my brother. The rest of my family is a fine bunch of warriors, but him....

[Destine4destiny]

I was wondering what this means. Okay, when I was a little girl around 4-5 years old I use to live in this old house. One night my family and I had visitors and I was looking for my sisters so I ran into our bedroom and saw a man and a little boy- I don't know what to call them wether I should call them spirits or ghost. Anyway, it scared the living daylight out of me and I ran out the room and ran into the living room that's when I saw a witch sitting down with the whole world in her hands. I really do believe the fact that I was so terrified has prevented me from seeing things. I know that my oldest sister sees spirits,but they are bad spirits. Of course, I don't want to be bothered with bad ones I only one the good ones to visit me. Is there any way where I can get that sight back because it happened before I know it can happen again. Also,can you call a spirit to come visit you by having a picture of him or her in your apartment? Should I bother to delve into the other side I feel as if I'm ready because I came to the conclusion that I can't do it on my own I need help from the other side to fulfill my goals here on earth.