Who Here Likes Astrology?

[Fullcrum]

Are any of you guys interested in astrology? I used to be skeptical like most in our society, or thinking of it as some joke. No more. I've been made a believer, especially with more traditional methods and when you really analyze the different aspects of chart and treat it as total and whole.

So now I'm really interested in cultivating my knowledge of astrology and helping people out in the process. I can't explain how it works but it does, and not in a vague way, but pretty mathematically accurate.

Steve and Erin, I'd be happy to look at your charts (for free of course) and give you guys an analysis. I'd do your fixed star parans as well (basically "stars" instead of "planets" and their aspects and relations - it's different from natal aspects). PM me if you're interested, I know that stuff's private and I'd never share it. Everything about astrology (except newspaper horoscopes), but especially fixed star parans, helps to understand overarching themes in one's life and how it will develop. I personally saw many themes, some of which I was intimately aware of and some that I was not, but made sense.

Astrology helps me understand the deeper underlying motivations of the person. If any of you know the birth minutes and locations of, say, Tony Robbins or Eckhart Tolle, I'm sure some of yall would be interested, I'll have a look.

This isn't formal or anything, if you guys just want to talk about astrology I'd do that, too.

[Angelwings]

Fullcrum

Interesting topic, I ve been reading my daily horoscope for 4years. Sometimes, its not accurate.
Here's Question for u.
If my horoscope said: "today its not a favorable day for travelling or today u may experience bad luck or romance" I
Cud i change d destiny/outcome???

Also, I m a pisces, I dont like the traits of pisces such as DAYDREAMER, MOODY, SECRETIVE AND NEGATIVE,
I realised I do have these characteristics. I m trying to change MY NEGATIVE personality; I wonder if it wud work. So far, ONLY partially.
Any thoughts?

[Old Soul]

I am interested more in the personality type of various signs, I find that part fairly acurate, so i enjoy that part of astrology , I'm an aquairian and my hubby is cancer , and from what i have read both depictions of our personalities are very acurate , uncanny actually

But I don't really take the horoscope i get each in day in my email seriously at all, it is more for fum..

[Fullcrum]

That horoscope stuff is sh*t, don't ever follow it. That "don't eat eggs today" stuff doesn't work. If you wanted to know anything about your present situation, you'd look at the "synystry" (cross reference) between your natal (stars at birth from birth location) chart and the stars in the sky at your current location that day. This can also work for, say, six months in the future. The aspects would determine general trends and how things could unfold.

That "I'm a pisces/libra/sagittarius" stuff is somewhat accurate, but not a full picture at all. You really have to look at your whole chart. On the basic level you look at your planets, what houses they are in, what constellation (and corresponding planet) rules the house it is in, and how the planets form angles to each other. I don't even find horoscopes fun, it's just kinda dumb. I'd rather learn the basics of reading charts and then do that, more consistent, accurate, and fun.

And to answer the question about destiny, yeah, of course you can. The stars show a general trend. Usually, the stars would indicate that you urge to take conscious control over your life (or some aspect of your life).

If you want to get into really deep and accurate stuff, learn about William Lily and Horary Astrology. Basically you ask a question and you look at the chart for an answer. It has, at various times for me:

Told me the direction of a lost item from where I asked the question.
Gave a likely hood for finding lost items, which turned out to be true.
Characteristics of where the lost item was and when it would be found.
Almost definite answers to yes/no questions
etc...

[Angelwings]

hey can u find out when u die thru astrology? How much can astrology tell u about future?

[Jennihul]

I am a fan of astrology. I grew up with an astrologer mom and she often held her astrology club classes at my house. While I didn't really learn specifics from her classes, I did learn to be very open-minded and exploratory because of her. Which is really mom's greatest gift to me, I think.

I agree that daily horoscopes are more like horrorscopes and should be avoided because of our natural ability to manifest what we dwell on. Mom was fond of Patrick Walker, though, and thought his monthlies and dailies were the best she had seen.

There are many facets and aspect of astrology study and it can be a simple hobby or an endlessly complex one, depending on how detailed you wish to be in the depth of the study.

I don't believe that astrology is particularly predictive insofar as one can predict the date of death or any specific happenings in a person's life. It's a guide from which one can develop their own life plan highlighting strengths and downplaying inherent weaknesses. But one caveat is that your customers can begin to expect that kind of power from their readings. One of my moms last readings was to a friend of hers who subsequently blamed my mom for not warning her of the cause and time of her son's death by an automobile accident.

I believe astrology is a science and as such should strive to lose the "Madam Mysterion" in the flowing purple robes with a crystal ball reputation that it sometimes has. Anyone presenting in such a fashion is a showman and maybe ONLY a showman. Beware of such nonsense.

Jennifer

[Fullcrum]

You actually CAN rectify, and through a long-ish process, determine about when you are going to die or something very seriously bad is going to happen. I've never done, have no interest in doing it, but I've heard of it, and it has been done for dead people (after they died) like Princess Diana, and it's all in her chart.

[Sanity Panda]

Unfortunately I find that astrology can be too vague unless your experienced with interpretating charts, for that reason I haven't been focused on it as much as I would like to.

How much free will is there in astrology? It appears that our future is already somewhat set in stone...

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by Fullcrum

You actually CAN rectify, and through a long-ish process, determine about when you are going to die or something very seriously bad is going to happen. I've never done, have no interest in doing it, but I've heard of it, and it has been done for dead people (after they died) like Princess Diana, and it's all in her chart.

Is it possible to test any of this in a reasonable way? I've always thought astrology gave a bad name to the evidenced "psychic" phenomena, namely ESP and (micro-) PK and perhaps mental mediumship.

[danman85]

Originally Posted by Sanity Panda

How much free will is there in astrology? It appears that our future is already somewhat set in stone...

I never really interpret (for example) something like "You will go on a shopping spree" in a chart, or things that you may get in daily horoscopes. Astrology focuses more on circumstances...as in "this is what the circumstances are providing." Sometimes, it is a big move or a friend causing holy hell, or a ton of possibilities. Free will still exists in astrology, it doesn't govern what you will exactly do, or what choices you will make. That's horary astrology.

As far as natal astrology goes, it's pretty much the same thing just using the one point in time that you were born. The situations facing the world at the same time that you were born stays with you your whole life, and affects you in a slightly different way....since you're not a world. None of this has anything to do with free will, however.

[Jennihul]

There is no way to test it. The accuracy of the date of death thing. I suppose by not dying, or dying sooner. But didn't Elvis live his whole life knowing he wouldn't live past 45 or something because his parents died young? Voila! He died young. Was it in the stars or did he manifest it with the powers of LOA we all know exist?

He certainly began living like there was no tomorrow. I don't think anyone needed to do a chart on him to see that his death was inevitable. He MADE it happen. If you knew your date of death, would you make it happen, too?

Jennifer

[Mr.Mustache]

I don't buy astrology. There is no evidence for it and most of it seems untestable. Its also a silly concept... the stars have no reign over your freewill.

[Angela]

Jennihul, you assert that astrology is a science but later say that "there is no way to test it." Science is the effort to understand the natural world, with observable physical evidence and experimentation as the basis of that understanding. Astronomy is a science; astrology is not.

[Fullcrum]

Astrology may seem a silly concept, untestable, and lacking evidence for how it works.

But work it does. I've encountered numerous instances of it working very specifically and accurately.

For instance, my mother once cast a horary (branch of astrology) chart to find her lost wallet using the exact time of the question being asked and exact location down to city. The chart specified "In a dark, dry place; object was forgotten, not stolen; will be found in 3 units of time from time of questioning; the object will likely be found; and is east of the location the question was asked."

These details turned out to be all true, it was found in a desk at her job in Manhattan, east of us 3 hours after the question was asked.

There are other instances, too, that I've personally experienced, maybe others can share.

Those who do not like astrology probably had bad experiences with it or are living under a certain belief structure that does not permit astrology to work. Maybe caused by the opinions of peers. Perhaps a logical conclusion. Or maybe an opinion made from afar, knowing only of such things as daily horoscopes and "What sign are you?"

My advice: Test it.

[Tuumble]

For me, astrology is something I will read if I come acoss it in the paper but I don't deliberately search it out. Having said that there is one site I visit relegiously at the beginning of every month purely because it's been right too many times to dismiss.

Astrology : AstrologyZone : Susan Miller's Astrology Zone

For someone who is largely a sceptic of such things it's a minor a miracle I keep going back to any site after nearly 3 years.

[Anuradha]

I gather that in ancient Egypt (and India too) astrology and astronomy were both sciences and that too not distinct. It was a study of the sky relative to a configuration at our time of birth and therefore gave an insight into our predispositions -- a study of our type. It also indicated that there is an element of mechanicality to our manifestations - we are almost 'programmed'.

Looking at my program is perhaps the first step towards working around it! If not anything, it certainly gives a language - a very good starting point - to take a good look at myself. What say?

-Anuradha

[Fullcrum]

The best way I can describe what astrology is useful for is to illuminate the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding...anything. Birth, countries, events, or guidance.

The choice, of course, is always yours.

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by Fullcrum

Astrology may seem a silly concept, untestable, and lacking evidence for how it works.

But work it does. I've encountered numerous instances of it working very specifically and accurately.

For instance, my mother once cast a horary (branch of astrology) chart to find her lost wallet using the exact time of the question being asked and exact location down to city. The chart specified "In a dark, dry place; object was forgotten, not stolen; will be found in 3 units of time from time of questioning; the object will likely be found; and is east of the location the question was asked."

These details turned out to be all true, it was found in a desk at her job in Manhattan, east of us 3 hours after the question was asked.

There are other instances, too, that I've personally experienced, maybe others can share.

Those who do not like astrology probably had bad experiences with it or are living under a certain belief structure that does not permit astrology to work. Maybe caused by the opinions of peers. Perhaps a logical conclusion. Or maybe an opinion made from afar, knowing only of such things as daily horoscopes and "What sign are you?"

My advice: Test it.

All of those details aren't really astounding...especially if there are a countless number of predictions that get no hits. Which is what I'm guessing. I'm not trying to rain on the parade or anything but its just that I think people waste too much time with that stuff.

[Fullcrum]

No, every time I've ever used astrology it has proven accurate far beyond what I thought. I mean, haha, it's just a snapshot of a bunch of stars from the viewpoint of earth, the SUPER ALL-IMPORTANT planet that it is. It works, however. I don't know how. I don't believe things like plamistry and tea leaves are so accurate, I think it's too vague. This is from experience, not something I read in a book. Astrology, however, I've seen always works.

I can't logicize this. I'd have to show you a chart and you'd see for yourself how it works.

Besides, I only use it for personality stuff, mostly. I find it intriguing how much it can tell about a person.

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Tuumble

For me, astrology is something I will read if I come acoss it in the paper but I don't deliberately search it out. Having said that there is one site I visit relegiously at the beginning of every month purely because it's been right too many times to dismiss.

Astrology : AstrologyZone : Susan Miller's Astrology Zone

For someone who is largely a sceptic of such things it's a minor a miracle I keep going back to any site after nearly 3 years.

Susan Miller is awesome. She pegs my husband and I every month. Without time or day of birth.

Jennifer

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Angela

Jennihul, you assert that astrology is a science but later say that "there is no way to test it." Science is the effort to understand the natural world, with observable physical evidence and experimentation as the basis of that understanding. Astronomy is a science; astrology is not.

There are "subtle" sciences and so-called "hard" sciences. We are leaving the realm of hard science with the Age of Pisces being over and entering the Age of Aquarius during which subtle science will dominate.

What I said was there is no way to realistically test the date of death thing. Except by dying sooner or dying later than the date. Because I also believe in freewill and the power of LOA. Destiny is for the weak minded. If you know or calculate your alleged date of death, are you creating the death through your belief in it? Or would it have occurred naturally as predicted by astrology? The only way to test it would be to have experimentors doing double blind tests where the subject and testor were unaware of the predicted date of death. The experimentor could literally influence the death as well if he knew the dates.

So, as with hard science, it IS possible to test it. I just don't see anyone realistically doing it.

Jennifer

[Old Soul]

don't believe that astrology is particularly predictive insofar as one can predict the date of death or any specific happenings in a person's life.

yes i agree , your little daily horoscope should be viewed more as entertainment

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

There are "subtle" sciences and so-called "hard" sciences. We are leaving the realm of hard science with the Age of Pisces being over and entering the Age of Aquarius during which subtle science will dominate.

So, as with hard science, it IS possible to test it. I just don't see anyone realistically doing it.

Jennifer

Astrology is supposed to be a "subtle science"? Astrology is unfalsifiable. How would you go about testing it? Conviction is not enough to make something a science. The validity of astrology seems to be little more than a vaporous, completely personal perception of what is a hit and what isn't.

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Mr.Mustache

Astrology is supposed to be a "subtle science"? Astrology is unfalsifiable. How would you go about testing it? Conviction is not enough to make something a science. The validity of astrology seems to be little more than a vaporous, completely personal perception of what is a hit and what isn't.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

That's what subtle science is. Get used to it or don't. It just doesn't and never will follow the same rules as hard science but it offers so much more individually. It's just the way it is. If it pertains to me and is only proveable by me, that's all that matters to me. Get it?

Jennifer

[Fullcrum]

Astrology unfalsifiable? Sure it is. Someone makes a prediction based on a chart, the prediction is wrong. Someone makes guesses about someone's personality based on the stars, turns out to be totally different from what the chart says: it's wrong!

Usually when that happens, a few things went wrong. The most common is not being able to decipher the different aspects (angles planets and stars make to each other) and put it together into one wholesome interpretation. AKA a misinterpretation. Most expert astrologers rarely if ever go wrong, and further examination of the chart show that it was usually misinterpreted. This is almost always the case.

I'm curious what you think of astrology when you hear that word. What comes to mind? Tell us exactly your perception and experiences with it. You're not just generalizing, are you? Have you tested it? I've tested many of these "arts", most turn out to be vague or false. But astrology rarely seems to go wrong. With that said, it's not the end of your problems or anything - it can only do so much. To know those limits you have to practice it yourself, or talk to someone very good.

[Mr.Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

If it pertains to me and is only proveable by me, that's all that matters to me. Get it?

Jennifer

Sort of like a delusion right? I see little green men that tell me the moon is made of cheese and no one can hear it but me. I can hear them so its all that matters.

Falsification (testability) is what separates science from not non-science, subtle or not. Testability is how you weed out the useless from the useful. If its not even possible to begin to test why should I just take on faith? If that your thing, fine. I'm not saying you are irrational only that you are being irrational.

"But astrology rarely seems to go wrong. With that said, it's not the end of your problems or anything - it can only do so much. To know those limits you have to practice it yourself, or talk to someone very good."- Fullcrum

So it is testable? If your claiming its an accurate way to predict the future that sounds like it could be shown to be true or false.

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by Jennihul
If it pertains to me and is only proveable by me, that's all that matters to me. Get it?

Sort of like a delusion right? I see little green men that tell me the moon is made of cheese and no one can hear it but me. I can hear them so its all that matters

I disagree with your interpretation of my statement. In fact, it was rather insulting. But I'm not sensitive. I don't know if you have ever had experience with Tarot. Tarot is like a window into your own subconscious. The pretty cards stimulate paths of thought that help you, basically, figure out the answers to your own problems. Astrology is similar. With a twist. Astrology tells you a trend and you decide how you think it relates to your life. Similar but different. Still very useful.

So if the nice astrologer tells me such and such indicates my career house will be open to a huge change and I know that I have been hunting for a job without success for months, and that the best time for an interview would be the 11th based on careful calculations, I shoot for the 11th and get the job, a higher salary than I expected, a boss who worships me, etc... it's proveable only by me, pertains to me and only matters to me. Proof is for making skeptics search for more reasons to be skeptical about things. For me, I got the job.

I already stated I don't believe astrology is able to predict. I have never felt it was a predictive subtle science.

But it is testable to those that do believe that.

Astrology to me is best when it deals with trends and allows me my freewill to make the most of the trends.


Jennifer

[Fullcrum]

Trends and personality, yeah. I find it very accurate with personality, too.

[Megan]

Read Richard Tarnas' Cosmos and Psyche and be amazed.

[Michelle]

How does one go about seriously learning astrology?