the other side

[wolfgang]

My dad died a week ago and I always wondered why people
would want to get a reading to hear from the other side - I find
myself tempted to do just this to ask my dad's spirit how his body
died or what it was like. The medical people say heart attact while
he was asleep. We did no atopsy. I"m not looking for support in the whole range of the greiving process here - just looking at the aspect of communicating with the other side (which might be part of greiving).

I wonder if he knew his time was coming since he left the master bed
room and went to the farthest room in the house on a couch to sleep,
and pass over. I want to know if he willed this transition some too,
to ease my mother's involvment, since he was always one to not bother
anybody and he was recovering from major surgery to remove a huge
benign pancreas lump and was relieing on my mother - almost turning
her into a nurse. I think my mother is over that now anyway. I wish
I could contact his soul myself, be my own psychic. How would I do
that? Has anyone done this for themselves? What form do messages from the other side take? Can it be found in nature when I see certain animals doing certain things?

I want his soul to be free too. I've heard that sometimes people left
behind keep the soul from doing what souls are supposed to do, so then I wonder how to insure that his soul gets on with the soul's work instead of hanging around us. How can I make sure I'm not holding his soul down?

I think I will ask for more signs, or for clarity on the ones I have
gotten. Does anyone think asking for signs impeades the
souls work? in other words I don't want to hang on to his soul just
for me so I can find more peace with this loss and don't want to ask for
signs if that would hold his soul down.

I'l like to think his soul is still being my father. Is looking after me in some way. Is that part of being on the other side? How can I get in touch with what that would be, if so?

[Angela]

Wolfgang, I'm so sorry for the loss of your dad.

I would like to invite you not to think of your questions and concerns as holding your father's soul down. What better soul's work than to help someone as close as your own son to cope with grief and death, peace and loss? You are not being selfish by asking your questions or wishing for clarity or 'signs' -- your father is doing his highest work by being a conduit for your joy, peace, and freedom. By helping it flow for you, he helps it flow for your mother, for me, for anyone who comes in contact with you, for everyone.

I'll tell you what, my mom who I miss so much, is in contact with me all the time, usually in my dreams. Last night she came to my wedding!

[Erin Pavlina]

wolfgang, all excellent questions.

In the beginning he will still likely be very attached to the happenings here. He'll be looking in on everyone. He may come to you in a dream, so watch for that. There could be other signs too like if he had a favorite cologne or something and you suddenly smell it in your car.

I believe people often know when they are about to die. Some people may feel it consciously and some people may only feel it on a subconscious level.

Excessive grieving like for years can cause a spirit some anguish. I've done readings for people who literally cannot function after the death of a loved one and it has been 5-10 years since they died. Grieving in the beginning is of course very normal and does not harm them.

[Ree]

Wolfgang, how closely the circumstances of your father's passing sound like that of my father. He too died in his sleep. That very day he had been working in his garden. He had health problems, heart, diabetes, etc., but was active and taking care of himself.

It was very hard on my mother at first, because she felt if she had found him earlier she could have saved him. After a while, we all began to realize what a beautiful way to die! To just go to sleep and not wake up, at least on this side. I know that my dad would not have wanted to be an invalid, or suffer a lengthy illness, or be in a hospital or nursing home. Gradually we began to feel good about his passing.

Shortly after he died, I dreamed that he called me on the phone. In my dream, I knew he was dead. All he said to me in that phone call was, "I'm all right." I know it was a message straight from my father to me. You may get a message as well. I hope so.

Right after he died, I would tear up and cry every time I thought about my father. Eventually there came a time when it didn't make me cry to think of him any longer. It actually made me smile That time will come for you.

[wolfgang]

Thanks Angela and Erin.

I'll look into my dreams then.

After the memorial I took a trip to the ocean side and saw different animals in high occurance. At least a couple other people there were saying that they were going to stick with me since we saw some neat stuff at a look out.

We saw an osprey dive for a fish and tried to climb, then a bald eagle swooped down and they had a dog fight until eventually the eagle snatched the fish and glided down while the osprey climbed higher. Soon after that a white egret took that same flight those two other birds took but landed very gracefully in a wide open space. That landing diffently reminded me of my dad's love of flying (he was a private pilot) and did some stunt flying but not a lot.

The location where these birds took off from had some wild horses grazing, as well. Just before that I saw a blue heron still like a statue by a river (almost didn't see it for being so still) and a snake trying to cross the road toward my side, and a park ranger stopped, picked it up and put it on the opposite side of the road. Just after the birds, I saw a single dear peek her head up and then cross the path bouncing off with her white tail up.

I don't know if any of that would be considered my dad's spirit using nature to give me messages - do you think those things could have been him? And what exactly is the message? I think all that could be looked at as a dream and interpreted, don't you think?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think all that could be looked at as a dream and interpreted, don't you think?

yes! How would YOU interpret those signs as if you had seen them in a dream?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Angela

yes! How would YOU interpret those signs as if you had seen them in a dream?

I have tried some.

Like the deer is my mother and she's a little bit scared but will get her bounce back.

The snake is some sort of change I'm afraid of facing or letting come toward me so put the snake on the other side of the road, for now.

I'm not sure what the osprey and eagle were about - some sort of give and take or unburdening of the osprey since it was able to climb after the eagle took the fish. But it was also like a combined effort to give something to the eagle and the osprey was being generous (like my dad). Maybe I was the eagle taking from my dad as he asscends now. Or maybe the osprey and eagle were me and my brother (only 2 childern in our family) being sibling rivals and one of us giving up to the other (but don't know which).

The white egret could be showing there's an easier way to fly than having dog fights and landing is part of flying. Or getting high on life has to be grounded too.

The great blue heron sitting still was along a road to the ocean which had some kicked up surf. That fact I almost missed the heron (representing stillness and waiting to act and meditation) on the way to the ocean (representing emtions going wild) - was pointing out the stuff we all struggle with - that we ought to quiet our minds and thoughts about our emotions enough to be still and comtemplate enough to act with reverence.

The horses are some sort of quiet power that's available but for now it's not needed to be running all over the place.

Oh, by the way there was a light house in the background too - for added symbolic-ness of finding your way or being helped by having a way to stay oriented.

So I did that and I guess my dad's soul is pretty wise to represent things to me like that, that I can interpret. Although it's still rough in spots or contradicts.

[Clarity]

Well Wolf, you said you were looking for Clarity and here I am.

I am so sorry your dad died. Mine died this past April and I am still dealing with it. You can be sure that part of grieving is "processing". Processing all the unanswered questions. Ask questions to whoever comes your way. God can speak to you through them.

From your posts it doesn't sound like you are of the Christian faith. Are you open to a Christian take on the situation?

When a person dies they go to heaven or hell, some say it lingers for 3 days which is like the fact that after 3 days Jesus rose from the dead. I think that is interesting in that often funerals aren't until 3 days later, almost as though the soul is around during that time. I don't know or have any proof of that theory. Just don't believe his soul is walking around here on earth still.

I don't believe consulting mediums is the right way to go.

Is there any indication that your father may have had faith in God?

As a Christian we believe there is one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. We have access to God through Jesus only. If your father is in heaven then, there is one and only one person that can communicate with you your dad - Jesus. So you can tell Jesus what you want to pass on and he can tell you what you need to know back with his still small voice. Jesus can also speak to you through his word the Bible and through other Christians, (like me) and through circumstances.

It is very interesting that all of your creatures have Biblical references. I might say that the deer is you, not your mom .

"He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he enables me to stand on the heights." Psalm 18:33

The birds represent those unclean things in your life,

The horse represents Jesus, "some sort of quiet power that's available" Revelation 19:11
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

The snake Satan "change I'm afraid of" , yes Satan is afraid of you making a change.


I'd go on but I gotta go.

[Clarity]

Wolf I hope you are visiting.

I wanted to share more. I

f I were your dad and on the other side I would want you to know that you are a dearly loved child of God. I would want you to find the Truth and to discard wrong paths. I would want you to find the way to Eternal Life so that I could see you again.

I would also want you to know even though your earthly father is passed you have a Heavenly Father that will commune with you and help you along your life path if you will ask him.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Clarity

From your posts it doesn't sound like you are of the Christian faith. Are you open to a Christian take on the situation?

Christian ideas to me are one way of decribing spirituallity. All religions are right.

Is there any indication that your father may have had faith in God?

Yes he did, although not of the "you must be saved" type faith.

As a Christian we believe there is one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. We have access to God through Jesus only.

Do you realize a statement like this condemns about 90% of the world? Would Jesus have thought that just because a lot of people don't have access to trying to be spiritual with a certain kind of dogma, that they won't have grace when the pass over?

It is very interesting that all of your creatures have Biblical references. I might say that the deer is you, not your mom .

Some of the symbols seem to cover more than one person too.

The birds represent those unclean things in your life,

Kind of makes sense - the osprey and the eagle were chasing each other and the eagle was "stealing" from the osprey - but then again the osprey was stealing from the water kingdom.

The horse represents Jesus, "some sort of quiet power that's available" Revelation 19:11
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Well, horses have helped people become more free during their hayday. I hadn't heard Jesus was a horse symbolically before.

The snake Satan "change I'm afraid of" , yes Satan is afraid of you making a change.

Satan - or not making good choices or ignoring the changes that would help me. Why does it have to be labeled as Satan? It's not so much that there's some outside force that is trying to get me, I'd say, but more that my habits and lack of desire to better myself is getting in my way. I feel more empowered to say I'm responsible for how my current life is, rather than put it on "Satan". It's like playing a blame game.

[cdn2wheeler]

I'm sorry for your loss, Wolfgang.

Just wanted to clarify one thing:

Originally Posted by Clarity

I think that is interesting in that often funerals aren't until 3 days later, almost as though the soul is around during that time.

The three-day rule was created in the 18th century to make sure that the dearly departed was actually dead. Too many people were bundled up and thrown in the ground too soon. Some of these poor souls were actually very much alive but either in a coma or somehow paralyzed. Coffins from 17th and 18th century graveyards that have been excavated show that there were lots of living burials, evidenced by the clawmarks on the inside of the coffin when the so-called deceased regained consciousness and tried to claw their way out.

[Clarity]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Christian ideas to me are one way of decribing spirituallity. All religions are right.
Yes he did, although not of the "you must be saved" type faith. I am glad to hear that.
Do you realize a statement like this condemns about 90% of the world? Would Jesus have thought that just because a lot of people don't have access to trying to be spiritual with a certain kind of dogma, that they won't have grace when the pass over?
Yes I do realize that, sad isn't it. It is in the Holy Bible 1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"



Some of the symbols seem to cover more than one person too.Yes, I was sharing some impressions on my heart/mind

Kind of makes sense - the osprey and the eagle were chasing each other and the eagle was "stealing" from the osprey - but then again the osprey was stealing from the water kingdom.

Well, horses have helped people become more free during their hayday. I hadn't heard Jesus was a horse symbolically before.

Satan - or not making good choices or ignoring the changes that would help me. Why does it have to be labeled as Satan? It's not so much that there's some outside force that is trying to get me, I'd say, but more that my habits and lack of desire to better myself is getting in my way. I feel more empowered to say I'm responsible for how my current life is, rather than put it on "Satan". It's like playing a blame game.

Again, an impression because of the original snake Genesis 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.And from the sly devouring nature. One of his tricks is to deceive people. Job 2:2 And the LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it." Peter 5:8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Regarding change, Satan will block you from making positive changes (especially where spirituality is concerned). You always have free choice and that is empowering. Choose well.