I don't know if this belongs here.

[suicidaldude]

LOL ! Thanks Godot, I'll let you know if I feel any different ! I didn't feel too bad today, but (don't call me ungrateful), I'd naturally tend to think it was the sun and the week-end...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

I've never heard of the Silva Method. Can you really manipulate a person's energies and thoughts? Can you help people that way?

The Silva Method has been around for a long time. I think its heyday was in the 1960s or 1970s. It's basically a combination of meditation, hypnosis, ESP, LOA, energy healing and spirit guides. All organised & structured into a reasonably coherent system, so that you can see how everything fits together. Some links here, for those who are interested:
The Silva Method

A more critical, 3rd-party, scholarly assessment is here:
Religious Movements Homepage: Silva Method

The Silva Method teaches a bunch of discrete "tools" - these are psychic / spiritual / mental techniques; and once you play around with each of them enough, you can jolly well mix & match them and combine them in different ways to create new tools, for application in a wide range of different contexts.

For any Silva graduates who might be reading this, these are some suggestions on how you can try to help SuicidalDude. I've arranged the suggestions from "lightweight" progressively to more "heavyweight".

1. Subjective Communication. 3-to-1, 10-1, go to alpha level, put SD on the mental screen & communicate directly to him there; right brain to right brain; don't forget to project emotion. This is the least interventionist approach; it's still just talk, after all, but more likely to be productive because you bypass his left-brain distractions (like Peak Oil).

2. Mirror of the Mind. No need for communication, just pure visualisation. Blue Frame mirror, to get feedback and understand SD's situation. Once you've got that, go to White Frame mirror, recreate your new SD, a non-suicidal one. If images come, let them come; SD's situation may be represented to you metaphorically or in symbols. When you use White Frame to recreate SD, you can also do it metaphorically or symbolically.

3. Lab. 3-to-1, 10-1, go to lab, say hi to your counsellors (guides), use the screen, call up SD's energy, put him on the screen. Same as for energy healing, but we're not interested in physical symptoms or bodily medical conditions this time, instead we're going after his mental/emotional state (nevertheless they may present as physical symptoms). Get ready to use the toolboxes plus the Past, Present, Future drawers. Go feel his energies and for any disturbances. When in doubt, just supply white light (not your own, take from Source) or just ask your guides for help.

4. OBE visits to SD in dream state. I leave this to the hardcore experts like Erin. Just remember, SD, that wasn't a ghost, it was just Ms Erin Pavlina.

[suicidaldude]

Well Godot, please don't bother. I appreciate it though, but given the tone of our previous exchanges, I don't really see the point of all this. You might pretend it was just a way to draw my attention on something else than depression, but 1) people DO feel bad when insulted, and one cannot just forget and keep on moving, and 2) for what I have heard in private messages from other members, this is not the first time you insult people in such a fashion here. So thanks, but no thanks.

As a matter of fact, I came for a simple answer, and I got it. Thank you everyone.

XeutonMojukai told me earlier that I needed to tell everyone that would be hurt that I planned to kill myself. I did, a few months ago. I played it fair, letting them know, trying to reason and explain. Didn't work. They just won't understand, or try to reason it. One of the even threatened me to copy my action if I ever killed myself. So what am I to do ? Besides, they don't believe in ANYTHING. For them, the moment you die, you stop existing. It's not like you can talk to them about "ending one's incarnation", "karmic laws" or things like that. They'd just think that some cult got into my head and they'd put me in a hospital. So as far as trying to prepare to the consequences of suicide, I've done it all. But that doesn't work either.

[ellie]

suicidaldude, what would it take for you to stay in this world? Is there any ideal situation that would make you change your mind?

I'm not here to judge you. I have had similar thoughts to you in the past.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by suicidaldude

Well Godot, please don't bother.

LOL, I don't remember giving you a choice. Besides I've already done my Silva lab session for you. Check your PM. If it helps, it helps and if it does not, well, good luck to you for the remainder of the rest of your life.

What you think of me is of no consequence to me, or even to you, in the bigger scheme of things. There are much more important decisions and choices that you face. I hope you will be guided to the right ones.

With that, I take my leave of this thread.

[suicidaldude]

Well, it is usually considered a good practice to ask the patient before performing some kind of therapy. Maybe New-Agers ought to start signing the Hippocrates pledge from now on !

Just a question : when you "visualize" some higher-selves, or some things like that, what do you "see", is it just some kind of self-persuasion or do you actually start seeing things or what not ? I ask because I have none of these abilities that people here say they have. So except for shrooms and other halucinogenic (and illegal) substances, I really don't know what it means to be more "connected"...

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

LOL, I don't remember giving you a choice. Besides I've already done my Silva lab session for you. Check your PM. If it helps, it helps and if it does not, well, good luck to you for the remainder of the rest of your life.

What you think of me is of no consequence to me, or even to you, in the bigger scheme of things. There are much more important decisions and choices that you face. I hope you will be guided to the right ones.

With that, I take my leave of this thread.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by suicidaldude

Just a question : when you "visualize" some higher-selves, or some things like that, what do you "see", is it just some kind of self-persuasion or do you actually start seeing things or what not ?

Varies from person to person, but most commonly, what you would perceive is similar to what you would perceive if you relaxed, focused and recalled as vividly as possible an actual memory of an actual person having a conversation with you.

Except that since what you're perceiving is not a memory, but something happening "live", you don't know what the entity is going to say, until it actually says it.

"Visualisation" is also a bit of a misnomer, because it isn't just about visual images. You might also "hear", "feel" or even "smell". But for most people, there is a primary, preferred mode of sensing.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by suicidaldude

So except for shrooms and other halucinogenic (and illegal) substances, I really don't know what it means to be more "connected"...

By the way, being more "connected" doesn't necessitate having any sort of non-physical entity who communicates directly. You can connect with ..... [Source / your deeper self] .... without ever needing that kind of stuff. Plain old 100% secular, non-weird meditation will do it. You should try it. Once you go deep enough in meditation to observe your own conscious thoughts as if they were not you (and of course, they are indeed not you), you will see how unnecessary all these thoughts of suicide are. They are not you. They are just nonsensical pieces of harmful garbage created by your ego-mind, and are quite separate and distinct from your true self. Once you experience that separation & distinction, you can just pick up your mental garbage and throw it away. It's not you.

[suicidaldude]

Well, all I can say is that you are quite a lucky (or special) fellow being able to do this. I have tried, meditation, relaxation techniques, prayer, etc. but never got any of these results. No clear answer from beyond, nothing.

So I pretty much stopped. That's also why I consider myself evil : If I were'nt, they would not refuse to communicate with me.

[Acting Like Godot]

Nonsense. You are always loved, whether you know it yet or not. And may I add, whether you deserve it or not.

The only guidance you'll ever really need lies within yourself. Somewhere a bit deeper than you're accustomed to looking.

If you are willing to help yourself, I can give you a few little tips along the way. Just PM me and say "yes". Your call. The journey is yours, I happen to be a stranger passing by, can give some directions, that is all, but it could be useful.

Bye for now

[Joeschmoe]

SD, this is not an attempt to stop you.
I just want to say that from a perspective of someone who has recently been where you are, and is still not far from where you are, listen closely to what ALG is saying. he knows what he's talking about.
I have a problem with my program. I never thought that I was evil, but I might as well have, as I saw myself incapable of causing the people around me anything but pain in the long run. I have attempted suicide on 2 occasions and not a day goes by that i don't think about it, even now. I've always hated the coddling that people tend to dump on you if you talk about committing suicide. I would much rather have had people piss me off. That would be a reasonable emotional jump. Going from suicidal to happiness is too big a jump in the state your in. Happiness is not an accessible emotional state, but anger is. I've decided that suicide is not the option for me so I'm about to embark on my own journey to personal development. I'm here for a while longer and I'm going to see what i can do.

[Little Deb]

Dear Suicideldude,
I have spent 43 years waking up most days and wishing that I was never the $%&^* born. The days of feeling rotten have diminished, believe it or not, thanks to anti-depressents (that my doctor longer thinks I need because I'm currently just considered cynical, rather than morbidly depressed ). I also contribute my lessening of my mental illness to having an inate curiosity in seeing "what lies ahead". I view my past's rotten luck and mistreatment by others as the fire that has tempered my soul, like a sword. That me. Now you. As far as not being loved by anyone, I hope you can begin to think of "love" in a very broad sense. I see creepy guys everyday bumming cigarettes on the street. Someone gives them the smokes, so that in itself is evidence of love. You are using a computer. Someone "lovingly" invented this wonderful machine for all of mankind. Someone sold you your computer (or if you are at the library let you use their machine.) This may not be rip-roaring personal love, like attracting one's soulmate, but in the Universal scheme of things, it is just as valid. Every apple, or Twinkie, or glass of milk you ingest was created somewhere by nature,manufactured eventually, marketed, shipped, then sold to the store you bought it from. If you look at it that way, you are not as distanced from society as you think. you money pays for the whole process to begin again. I can't give you any insight on what your Angels think of you. All I can say is try and look for tiny miracles that can keep you reatively sane. Music, art, liturature, guinea pigs, dandilions,etc. are here for even creepy citizens to enjoy. I do recommend writing down every small bit of joy in life to remind yourself of your blessings. Sunshine on your cheek, freshly laundered clothes, really soft toilet paper... it all adds up as long as you stop negating these things as "not important". The American constitution states "The pursuit of happiness" as a Right. Think about that. I really suggest you find a good mental health worker, which would be a more reasonable way to spend your cash than on bizarre so-call psychic Voodoo-type treatments that you are already rational enough to be wary of anyway.

[geekchic9]

And suddenly the thread just stops.

suicidaldude, are you still alive and reading this thread? If you are, or if anyone else who is suicidal is reading this thread, please read If you are thinking about suicide, read this first.

If you are not suicidal, but want to help someone who is, please read Handling a call from a suicidal person. The information about it is focused on a phone call from a suicidal person, but it can apply to message boards, too.

Thanks, and God bless.

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by suicidaldude

Well, all I can say is that you are quite a lucky (or special) fellow being able to do this. I have tried, meditation, relaxation techniques, prayer, etc. but never got any of these results. No clear answer from beyond, nothing.

So I pretty much stopped. That's also why I consider myself evil : If I were'nt, they would not refuse to communicate with me.

You were likely too upset and angry at the time to get much out of it... I used to have a similar mindset to yours, and couldnt' even go to sleep at night, let alone reach any sort of deeper state of relaxation (though I really don't "meditate" and am as agnostic as they come- not really spiritual per se and not a "New Ager" by any means). I can fall asleep in minutes now simply by breathing as if I'm meditating, sometimes counting up or down at the same time, and usually slip into really vivid or even lucid dreams in the process.

I have no idea if I can actually help you feel better but feel free to PM me if you want to talk, I'd be glad to try.