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Old 07-10-2007, 04:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was wondering if it is possible to access that Essence State on demand. First of all, by Essence state I mean that Core State feeling of Oneness and Peace that is sometimes achieved through meditation. I have reached it a couple of times through Core Transformation and Big Mind. It is a great state. So if I sit quietly and do the procedure, I can get to it. But day to day, shopping, working, running erreands, stuck in traffic, I cannot access it. I was wondering if anyone has been able to achieve that. Some have said try using NLP anchoring, but it just doesn't seem to work. I think it would be great to be stuck in traffic or being in an unresourceful state, then being able to pop into Essence.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Working on your breathing usually works pretty fast. Next time you're in that state, try to concentrate on your breathing pattern and then practice it later. It's a powerful anchor for feelings.
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Agnostic,

Great tip!

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I'm not a scholar on the topic- but i have heard that the more you practice getting into the state in a relaxed, less stressful manner- the easier it is to acheive it at any time you want. Just takes practice, so i've heard.
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You need to be in the moment, grounded in your body. Focusing on your breath is a great way to do that. Remember to bring the breath down to your belly.

You can connect to essence anywhere, but don't box yourself in thinking it has to feel a certain way. It will vary.
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First of all, in my experience there are usually three to five Core States for each person.
I have four. I usually can access them pretty anywhere and even mix them, depending on the way I need to feel. The intensity is usually lower then can be achieved during the meditation. It is not a bad thing. Entering any of my core states would be plain dangerous. They are accompanied by a powerful hormones rush (that's why Core States feel so good). The effect can be compared to the effect of pretty large dose of alcohol or amphetamines.

So while in this state I could easily drop things (think hot kettle), crash into things, trip (I wouldn't fall down or injure myself though). I'm afraid to think what can happen if I enter a core state while driving. Also I don't want to scare people around into thinking that I'm having a heart attack or calling the police to arrest me as a substance abuser.

But that happens if I enter a core state completely. Like 400% percent completely. That's about a maximum I can reach now without somebody keeping an eye on me. In the everyday life I use about 3-5% to get the benefits without problems.

To do so in the past I used anchoring from NLP. Now I practiced so much that I just need to think about the anchor and I'm there. Then I hallucinate four knobs to control the intensity of each of the core states to create a desired mix.

I'd second the tip from agnostic, I've seen breathing working really well. Personally, I prefer the visual anchors, they are just so much faster for me.

The main benefit from core states for me is that I know that I can access them from time to time. Since many things that we do in life are just the futile attempts to reach core states, I can stop doing these things and go directly where I need. It is liberating.
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Thanks, Ilya, great tips.

Can I assume that you are referring to the Core States described in the Core Transformation procedure? I am amazed , but encouraged, that you can access them so readily. I have not been able to achieve that yet. I have tried NLP anchoring and no such luck. As a matter of fact just about all of my NLP anchor seem to fall apart when I try to fire them when facing an unresourceful state. The unresourceful states seems to overpower them. I am have been completely unable anchor a core state. I seem to need the entire procedure to reproduce it.

Your core states must be pretty intense. When I have achieved them I have felt a loving, peaceful oneness and feeling of euphoria but never to the degree that I would be afraid to cause harm to myself. To me, it feels wonderful but I am still in control of all my faculties--- just extreme oneness.
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Thanks, Ilya, great tips.

Can I assume that you are referring to the Core States described in the Core Transformation procedure?
Yes, that's the ones. I thought you talked about them in the first post, didn't you?

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I am amazed , but encouraged, that you can access them so readily. I have not been able to achieve that yet.
It has taken me an intense two-day Core Transformation seminar with a very good coach at a wildlife retreat to reach the states for the frist time. But once I had access It was easier afterwards.
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I have tried NLP anchoring and no such luck. As a matter of fact just about all of my NLP anchor seem to fall apart when I try to fire them when facing an unresourceful state. The unresourceful states seems to overpower them.
Remember, that your anchor has to be more powerful than the negative situation. It means powerful like crazy. NLP usually deals with therapeutic session, when a patient experienses memories of a negative event. If you are in a middle of the real problem it takes a very powerful anchor to overcome it.
And it has to be reproduced exactly.

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I am have been completely unable anchor a core state. I seem to need the entire procedure to reproduce it.

Your core states must be pretty intense. When I have achieved them I have felt a loving, peaceful oneness and feeling of euphoria but never to the degree that I would be afraid to cause harm to myself. To me, it feels wonderful but I am still in control of all my faculties--- just extreme oneness.
I have my version of oneness as well. The thing is at the seminar we learned to first access the state, then increase its intensity like a said 400%. This allows to break the illusion that first assess was the real core state. Ha! Afterwards it is perceived as a mere shadow. Oneness at 400% (or 1000% if you wish) is so deep that one doesn't have any desire whatsoever to comeback. It never happened, but breathing can slow down to a dangerous level, so extra caution is needed.

This may be the reason why your anchors are not working. You might be anchoring the low-intensity version of the core state.
You might need to notch it up a little. Do you know adrenalin barometer technique from NLP? The same method can be used to control any state.
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You must have had one heck of an instructor. True points. No, never heard of adrenalin barometer technique. And I couldn't even find it doing a web search.

Yes, I was talking about Core Trans. The only other method to get me there was Big Mind-- you should give that one a spin. It is actually easier to access than CT.

I first did Core Trans on myself from the book. I was impressed. I later tried with a NLP'er and it didn't work quite as well-- I think her quidance was leading me in a false direction.

I will have to try to pump things up a bit.
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You must have had one heck of an instructor.
That's true.

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True points. No, never heard of adrenalin barometer technique. And I couldn't even find it doing a web search.
Yeah, it seems it has some other name, or not known outside Russia. This is strange. I won't be able to reproduce the whole steps, but the main idea is to create a sliding visual anchor for a state (for example - excitation, or "adrenalin" level). Then you can use this anchor to control the intensity of the state.

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Yes, I was talking about Core Trans. The only other method to get me there was Big Mind-- you should give that one a spin. It is actually easier to access than CT.
Thanks for the lead, I will try it out.
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Oneness at 400%. Something there sounds off kilter. Oneness (or big all, or non-seeking, or satori or samadhi) just IS, there doesnt seem to be a degree. Hmmm.
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