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Old 12-03-2011, 05:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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yes. of course.
but it does make life a lot easier.
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:26 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Then after the needs are met, it can be used to express oneself to the world creatively vs. what usually happens where the money is used to buy one elixir after another because of his lost soul.
I'm on the right path then
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:30 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Once all needs are met, happiness will be found. when i say all needs i mean all. physical, mental, practical, verbal, emotional, material, spiritual and any other that i can not think of...
That sounds exactly like what Eckhart tolle warns against. The illusion that happiness comes out of some future goal being accomplished.
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:41 PM   #34 (permalink)
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That sounds exactly like what Eckhart tolle warns against. The illusion that happiness comes out of some future goal being accomplished
Yup, he hits the nail on the head.

Most people do it exactly the wrong way, they think attaining future goals will make them happy some time in the future. Trick is to be happy now, and then future goals (and more happiness) will come to you when you use LOA
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:03 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Well, I'd rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy like I am now, so...
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:54 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Well, I'd rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy like I am now, so...
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That sounds exactly like what Eckhart tolle warns against. The illusion that happiness comes out of some future goal being accomplished.
Allow me to go into more detail...

Needs = things that are required for maintaining ones health.

Human beings all share some common needs (such as eating) and we also have different individual needs, needs that are not only to satisfy the body but that satisfy the spirit in some way. like one may need to express them self through dancing while another may need to experience adventure. what i am saying here is that once our own personal needs are met, happiness is gained.

Wants = desiring the things that another person needs

ok, there are some people out there that really do need a lot of money in order to be happy, they radiate such a positive aura. people then see this person in such a healthy state and then they see that he owns a lot of money, this then leads people to think that the key to happiness is through the possession of money, so thats what they go for... and then find out that it does not do anything special for them...

Anyway, like i was saying. once all our needs are met, happiness will be gained. we all have different needs (or passions), the trick is to find out what our own needs are and then getting them met... in the now.

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Old 12-04-2011, 08:12 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Also being wealthy is relative. If I make $100K a year I might not seem wealthy by our standards, but by the standards of some African living in a hut I'm extremely wealthy
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:36 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Haha I LOVE that.

I think the only people who say you can be poor and happy are people that aren't poor. (Of course this gets into that sticky area of defining poor.)

Is it impossible to be poor and happy? Not at all. However, it's the exception instead of the rule (not that anyone here said otherwise).

I don't think money=happiness, but I imagine being happy is much easier with money than without.
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Old 12-05-2011, 04:13 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Haha I LOVE that.

I think the only people who say you can be poor and happy are people that aren't poor. (Of course this gets into that sticky area of defining poor.)

Is it impossible to be poor and happy? Not at all. However, it's the exception instead of the rule (not that anyone here said otherwise).

I don't think money=happiness, but I imagine being happy is much easier with money than without.
Meh. Once your basic needs are covered I think it's about the same. The only difference in my experience is with the people you interact with. Poor people who believe that money means happiness are no fun to be around.
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Yeah, real tactful there...

I think a lot of people who think they're "enlightened" or on their "path to enlightment" have got some underlying beliefs about money and having plenty of it being a bad thing. Like money's bad and rich people are bad and cannot be enlightened, so it's best and most noble to be poor. Well I say BS.
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OK So I have known some wealthy people in my life who are not very happy. My uncle was one of them. ALL he ever thought about or did was money. He even neglected his children and wife. Now he is old but never has good times with his sons... never took them to ball games, or enjoyed the finer things in life.

One thing I never understood when I worked for him for some time, Was that when we got him a deal that made him big money, he was NEVER happy. It seemed he was never satisfied. He would just say Oh good what else is there?

I guess making a lot of money and having it does not make you happy. And he was always in an angry and bad mood.

I don't know, I think in the end you should do something that you love that fulfills you and makes you money. But doing work you hate for big money and then not being happy is worthless in my view.

What do you think and why? Can a rich person be unhappy?

I have seen many rich people as workaholics. Their duty in this world is to make money. They are work horses, who never got time to rest. Their children are the lucky ones who get inheritance to a fortune. The person who made money cant even spent 5 bucks without thinking thrice.

Yes, making money is one thing and enjoyment is other.
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Yeah, real tactful there...
I was making a joke. You know, meant to make people laugh?

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I think a lot of people who think they're "enlightened" or on their "path to enlightment" have got some underlying beliefs about money and having plenty of it being a bad thing. Like money's bad and rich people are bad and cannot be enlightened, so it's best and most noble to be poor. Well I say BS.
I actually agree with you on this.
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I think one can seek greater riches and be happy. But it's good to be mindful of the fact that the surges of excitement from getting that new check in the mail or from finally getting that brand new ____ you've been saving for is only temporary. If one is looking for a deeper, more profound source of happiness one only needs to find stillness and joy within.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:19 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I, as well as a few friends have made significant amount of money over the past 10 years.

This hasn't affected our levels of happiness one bit. The guys who were slightly depressed as poor 25 year olds driving beat up Honda civics are still slightly depressed at 35 with a Tesla in the garage.
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