Give up hope

[aelle]

“I hope I’ll get the job.” BZZZZT! Reframe it.
“I really want to get the job.” ("Point taken," says the Universe.)
“I’m praying to get that job.” (Prayer is an action too.)
“I have done all that I can do to get the job.” (Yes! Stand tall.)
“I will either get the job, or I won’t.” (Precisely. Now you can get on with your day.)
“I expect to end up with a job that I love.” (Excellent! Open-ended and affirmative!)

give up hope (it’s a good thing to do. really.) | White Hot Truth: because self-realization rocks.

[ButterflyWoman]

Great article. And very timely in my reality (not so much for me, but for someone else close to me). Thanks for posting that.

[Canadian]

Good article.

[nothuman]

It is a good article. But just to expand with my own experience of abandonning hope. Hope leads us away from self acceptance and that is the cornerstone of realization. When there is no hope we are forced to deal with what is in front of us.

[kenya]

Yes, sometimes we need think at the totally opposite way, why not give up? Thank you, I am out of the depression.

[CroMagna]

I don't see the difference between hoping and this: “I expect to end up with a job that I love.”

[RonSouther]

Hope is a drug....

[Beingist]

Yup. I've understood this for some time.

Unfortunately, it hasn't seemed to be very helpful tell hopeful people that the best thing to do is give up hope. Sometimes, it's about all they've got left.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yup. I've understood this for some time.

Unfortunately, it hasn't seemed to be very helpful tell hopeful people that the best thing to do is give up hope. Sometimes, it's about all they've got left.

Hope and hopelessness are two sides of the same coin. Stop hoping and stop feeling hopeless. It's like buying a lottery ticket, then hoping to win only to feel hopeless when the ticket is a loser.

Hope is a mind game and hopelessness is the consequence of playing with the mind.

Stop playing the game, take responsibility for one's life and grow to meet the challenges...Then what is found is "trust" in life which makes it easy to "let go". It becomes so easy that one doesn't even realize that the let go happened. The whole roller coaster ride of hope/hopelessness vanishes.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Sometimes, it's about all they've got left.

And that last thread needs to snap...that will be the ego collapse...that will be the final straw in the mind's ability to stay closed clinging to beliefs. That will be THE moment of openness to something new. More than likely, it will be a new belief system since that is our culture, not the beginning of a true seeking.

[nothuman]

Actually in my experience I have found the state of hopelessness to be the total collapse of illusion and the precurser to awakening. A valid and necessary place to get to in order to arrive at a new way of being. At least until the next total collapse

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Actually in my experience I have found the state of hopelessness to be the total collapse of illusion and the precurser to awakening. A valid and necessary place to get to in order to arrive at a new way of being. At least until the next total collapse

Yes, this was my experience, also.

However, it is a critical point, and I've known people who have killed themselves without understanding that their illusions were collapsing, and that it was a good thing. I, myself, was suicidal, at one time.

Hence, such information shouldn't be dished out too liberally. All things in their time.

[Moriarty]

I would like to add another step to the OP because when we 'expect' anything it's already tagged for failure.

How about taking the final plunge...."I have my perfect job". (Ah now the mind has sent the message out)

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yes, this was my experience, also.

However, it is a critical point, and I've known people who have killed themselves without understanding that their illusions were collapsing, and that it was a good thing. I, myself, was suicidal, at one time.

Hence, such information shouldn't be dished out too liberally. All things in their time.

My mother took her own life....

That's what I mean about Western culture...it doesn't alert people to true growth and my mom ran out of ideas, couldn't create a new hope, and figured out that suicide would solve her problems and it did!! Her logic worked!!

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

My mother took her own life....

My father took his....

... but he was schizophrenic, so I'm not entirely sure it was a conscious decision on his part.

Them's the breaks.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

My father took his....

... but he was schizophrenic, so I'm not entirely sure it was a conscious decision on his part.

Them's the breaks.

Everyone is schizo...that's what ego is...on the inside you're one thing, on the outside you're something else. It's a matter of degree...how far detached are we from our true self?

It's not a conscious decision. It's one made out of logic. The mind is right...suicide solves the problem of being in misery and scared all the time. But the mind doesn't know that all the joy and love in life is contained in our true being! Logically, death makes sense, but in reality, life if beautiful! It's a paradox.

The ego needs to die to cure the misery, not the body/mind. Ego is killed with intelligent perspective....to expose it for the fraud that it is.

I'm guessing that your dad's death kept you thinking about how this can happen, why someone would do that because that has been a question of mine.

I can "see" the gap that neither of them could see. To see that I am not my mind frees me from their choice.

Sincerely, I can hear "me" in your postings. There's a similar vision or something harmonious...something that resonates, etc...., like being on the same wavelength.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

My father took his....

... but he was schizophrenic, so I'm not entirely sure it was a conscious decision on his part.

Them's the breaks.

I truly think that so many of the medical labels for stuff like schizo, or ADD/ADHD or bipolar are simply labels given to varying degrees of ego or intelligence that are out of social norms.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

I truly think that so many of the medical labels for stuff like schizo, or ADD/ADHD or bipolar are simply labels given to varying degrees of ego or intelligence that are out of social norms.

I don't know, Ron. My brother was also a very violent schizophrenic.

Other disorders, I can agree with your point, but schizophrenia is like no other. I still haven't been able to really understand it. In some ways, it's a gift, I think. In most other ways, it's the curse of a tortured soul.

[nothuman]

I have also spent way too much time plotting my own demise whilst at the point of hopelessness than I'd care to admit.
The only thing that kept me walking the earth was for want of a better word.... wisdom.
Wisdom is what points outside of your immediate experience, it is the voice that offers an alternate opinion to that of the mind.
Your survival comes back to what has the loudest voice.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

I don't know, Ron. My brother was also a very violent schizophrenic.

Other disorders, I can agree with your point, but schizophrenia is like no other. I still haven't been able to really understand it. In some ways, it's a gift, I think. In most other ways, it's the curse of a tortured soul.

Thanks...I'm no expert...It's just a feeling I have about these conditions. The medical profession doesn't look at the dynamic between the troubled person and the society. They treat the person like he is autonomous in all this. It's a dynamic both between the person and "society" (other people) and between his ego and his soul.

EVERYONE has to grow out of ego to heal mentally. There is NO OTHER healing possible with the ego in tact. Period. Everything else is simply a mind game and will fail.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

Thanks...I'm no expert...It's just a feeling I have about these conditions. The medical profession doesn't look at the dynamic between the troubled person and the society. They treat the person like he is autonomous in all this. It's a dynamic both between the person and "society" (other people) and between his ego and his soul.

Schizophrenia proves to me the "nurture" side of the nature/nurture question, though. I can't say about my father, because I never knew him, but as for my brother, I can say unequivocally that he would have been schizophrenic, regardless of societies views or methods of handling schizophrenia. He was truly a tortured soul.

EVERYONE has to grow out of ego to heal mentally. There is NO OTHER healing possible with the ego in tact. Period. Everything else is simply a mind game and will fail.

I agree, but things like schizophrenia is the reason why I think it can take a number of lifetimes to do that.

[nothuman]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

I would like to add another step to the OP because when we 'expect' anything it's already tagged for failure.

How about taking the final plunge...."I have my perfect job". (Ah now the mind has sent the message out)

Let me see .... oh OK on this side we have a rock..... oh looky on the other side a hard
place

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Schizophrenia proves to me the "nurture" side of the nature/nurture question, though. I can't say about my father, because I never knew him, but as for my brother, I can say unequivocally that he would have been schizophrenic, regardless of societies views or methods of handling schizophrenia. He was truly a tortured soul.
I agree, but things like schizophrenia is the reason why I think it can take a number of lifetimes to do that.

I can't say that I remember past lives to know that reincarnation exists, but I am very open to the idea, that it fits with other stuff I've realized. I don't see any reason why it can't exist. I can easily see that heaven and hell are illusions because they are examples of dualistic thinking but something about reincarnation rings true.

I just can't figure out what the point of this conscious life is. Is it a preparation from something or it just "is". I got no clue whatsoever.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by nothuman

Let me see .... oh OK on this side we have a rock..... oh looky on the other side a hard
place

nh..ehhh..what's that mean?

We all know by now that whatever the mind focus's on, is what we attract into our lives. All the other steps (as stated) won't work and neither will expecting something to come along. All these steps suggest I would be holding a mind-set that I lack a job, so that energy is attracted back to me. If I repeatedly tell myself that I have the perfect job, then that's what I will bring to me.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I don't see the difference between hoping and this: “I expect to end up with a job that I love.”

Hope is very weak, it's not affirmative. It's a 'it would be great if this happened' and not a 'this will happen.'

Expectation is active, and it will spur you into motion if it's strong enough. You don't expect something and just wait for it, you start preparing. You'll take every chance you can to make it happen.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Cado

Hope is very weak, it's not affirmative. It's a 'it would be great if this happened' and not a 'this will happen.'

Expectation is active, and it will spur you into motion if it's strong enough. You don't expect something and just wait for it, you start preparing. You'll take every chance you can to make it happen.

Thats called faith.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

Thats called faith.

Faith can be quite passive, too. In fact I equate it with blind belief that a magic sky daddy will make things happen.

Expectation puts the onus on me.

[Moriarty]

mmmm...faith is still not 100% self-affirming. Its still trusting in other structures to bring something to you and can misfire or extend the the waiting period.

Would it not be a better way to go to inspire self into actualising?

[RonSouther]

Hope is an escape mechanism....a mind game to try to get the mind to switch from fear to infatuation, from one pole to the other. This is so easy to watch in ones mind.

[lifetimelearner]

for some reason this talk about hope reminded of something Viktor Frankel said in his book Man's search for meaning: an ... - Viktor Emil Frankl - Google Books

"He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how "