Personal Development for Smart People Forums

Personal Development for Smart PeopleTM Forums

 

Go Back   Personal Development for Smart People Forums > Personal Development > Emotional Mastery

Notices

Emotional Mastery Emotional intelligence, addiction and recovery, grieving, loss, fear, anger, guilt, resentment, frustration, anxiety, depression, happiness, joy, love, kindness, forgiveness, self-acceptance, confidence, escaping the pit of despair, EFT

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-08-2011, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default Will a Dark Worker position benefit me?

Hey.

There is this guy in work i confront the other day and I told him to do his ♥♥♥♥ing job and stop bossing around, he apolagized.

But this guy is a ♥♥♥♥ing moron and I see myself as a lightworker. But Im turning to the dark side today! I rather have my ego full and be out of job than working everyday with this guy messing with my inner self. He is cynical, doesnt do ♥♥♥♥ and thinks he is the man. Im seconds of punching him in the face.

Any tips? Im turning dark side either way, today im gonna try to mess him up. Ive had enough.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Barleylands, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,257
Agota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud ofAgota has much to be proud of
Default

I don't think that lightworkers are not allowed to set boundaries and put people in their place when needed

That being said, I suggest not to do anything while you're in this state of mind. Chill and think about everything logically. Is that guy really a jerk or you're just being overly sensitive? If he's really a jerk, what steps can you take to prevent him from annoying you? Maybe you can talk to him and he will understand? Maybe you can talk to your boss? Put emotions aside and think logically. When you're angry, you're weak and you won't be able to get your point across.

Also, in case dude apologized and stopped being a jerk, then get over it and see what happens. Maybe he sincerely didn't realized that his doing something wrong.

P.S. It's not him who's messing with your inner peace. It's all you. Sorry, that's the harsh truth..

Last edited by Agota; 10-08-2011 at 01:16 PM.
Agota is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 04:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
Love in Action (Mod)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,527
pianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
But this guy is a ♥♥♥♥ing moron
Is that really true?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
and I see myself as a lightworker. But Im turning to the dark side today!
It sounds like you already have.
pianoperformer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 07:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
C33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 623
C33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

I completely understand the way you feel.

I'm working with small minded people who are sabotaging me every opportunity they get.

I tried ignoring the behavior, taking the higher road, feeling compassion, seeing things through their perspective, even took a webinar about working transgenerationally ( as they are younger) to no avail.

The thing is: They have tried to discredit me , taken every opportunity they had to undermine my work and reputation.

The fact that a coworker can hurt your career and get you fired, threatens your survival.

If you have tried the path of light ( connection, compassion) and it doesn't work, not only that, but compassion, getting to a win-win situation has hurt you, then I'd say take a walk on the dark side and see how it works for you.
C33 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 12:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default

I went completely dark side yesterday and I felt amazing. Im not rude and i work hard, but i wont let my sympathy and good behaviour ruin my ego, ever again.

When i try to be nice, people tend to be stupid. Apolagizing, saying please, its putting us in an inferior place. Yesterday I just changed my work personality, I blinked girls (without any second interests), I joked around, i set my voice tone to super alpha male and when i got together with that ♥♥♥♥ing moron coworker i put the guy in place.

Now, my Dark Side position is not perfect, but thats what i decided yesterday, I need time and experience to perfect this, and I will continue on.


I cant think logically with these guys. They are young, some even dont care about the work, but I do, and i show that I do care.


Lightworking my ***.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 03:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
Love in Action (Mod)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,527
pianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
I went completely dark side yesterday and I felt amazing. Im not rude and i work hard, but i wont let my sympathy and good behaviour ruin my ego, ever again.
You never answered my question.

Sure it might be more fun this way, but wouldn't you rather resolve the problem than just meeting it with fear and anger energy and probably making it worse? Even if this particular manifestation of it goes away, it'll come back some other way, maybe with a different person or different situation.
pianoperformer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 04:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pianoperformer View Post
You never answered my question.

Sure it might be more fun this way, but wouldn't you rather resolve the problem than just meeting it with fear and anger energy and probably making it worse? Even if this particular manifestation of it goes away, it'll come back some other way, maybe with a different person or different situation.
I had a similar situation when i was in high-schoo. I did Taekwondo back then, so I was very calm and relax, and there was this guy who was a ♥♥♥♥ing moron in my class, but i dealt with the situation calmly, relaxed and when i look back, that hurt my ego alot. I had a great time in high-school, the only problem was that guy.

Now, in my work, i found a guy almost exactly like him. It wont happen again. It wont.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 07:04 PM   #8 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,703
VinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant futureVinceG has a brilliant future
Default

I ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥ this beautiful ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥! These ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥ of ♥♥♥♥s!
VinceG is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 07:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
Love in Action (Mod)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,527
pianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
I had a similar situation when i was in high-schoo. I did Taekwondo back then, so I was very calm and relax, and there was this guy who was a ♥♥♥♥ing moron in my class, but i dealt with the situation calmly, relaxed and when i look back, that hurt my ego alot. I had a great time in high-school, the only problem was that guy.

Now, in my work, i found a guy almost exactly like him. It wont happen again. It wont.
It sounds like you have a consistent problem of dealing with "morons" in your life. Why do you think that keeps coming up for you?

What do you mean your ego was hurt? What is wrong with your ego being hurt?
pianoperformer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 07:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 717
Fred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to beholdFred Tracy is a splendid one to behold
Default

I don't really use the light worker versus dark worker perspective, but if the guys being in ass, then tell your boss.

Regardless of how you want to tune your energies, going off on him will only hurt you. Hit them where it hurts – the wallet.
Fred Tracy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2011, 11:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 2,700
ChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Tracy View Post
I don't really use the light worker versus dark worker perspective, but if the guys being in ass, then tell your boss.

Regardless of how you want to tune your energies, going off on him will only hurt you. Hit them where it hurts – the wallet.
Yea, I can't really get behind the analogy either. In fact every time I see threads about dark/light worker I want to face palm and mention that most of the solutions people are searching for are not in getting even more absorbed in fantasy and extra labels for themselves.
ChrisGinsburg is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2011, 12:03 AM   #12 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,975
CroMagna has a spectacular aura aboutCroMagna has a spectacular aura about
Default

Delete

Last edited by CroMagna; 10-10-2011 at 01:35 AM.
CroMagna is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2011, 08:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
C33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 623
C33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of lightC33 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Lightworking my ***.

Funniest thing I've read all day.Thanks.
C33 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2011, 09:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default

What labels? And whats wrong with labels? There will always be polarity, like ying\yang. Im having more fun these past 3 days on the darkside then working like a nice person all the time. I respect myself even more. And to me, thats a major improvement. Yesterday one of my bosses started acting like a moron and I put her in her position (the other boss was like "wow, someone who confronts her"). I dont give a damn, i work like crazy, my clients are always happy clients, people came back to appreciate that Im not a seller, i actually care for them and when we dont have good products i tell them where to get them. But when it comes to jackasses, im even more of a jackass, and im trying this outside of work and its being awesome. As i said, im still learning and "perfecting" this new side, but so far, its been an awesome experience.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 02:44 AM   #15 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 2,700
ChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
What labels? And whats wrong with labels? There will always be polarity, like ying\yang. Im having more fun these past 3 days on the darkside then working like a nice person all the time. I respect myself even more. And to me, thats a major improvement. Yesterday one of my bosses started acting like a moron and I put her in her position (the other boss was like "wow, someone who confronts her"). I dont give a damn, i work like crazy, my clients are always happy clients, people came back to appreciate that Im not a seller, i actually care for them and when we dont have good products i tell them where to get them. But when it comes to jackasses, im even more of a jackass, and im trying this outside of work and its being awesome. As i said, im still learning and "perfecting" this new side, but so far, its been an awesome experience.
Did these actions and benefits you seemingly reaped require you to label yourself a dark worker or did it happen in the moment spontaneously just fine? In other words, labels become like baggage. Interestingly enough, most people don't appreciate others labeling them but are happy enough to do it to themselves. The polarity you are noticing is not something you all of a suddenly decide to be on one side or the other. Surely you can but this is one of many sources of suffering. People do it every day 'trying' to be happy but push anything that even remotely resembles the opposite away.

What you are noticing is a process of lowering resistance. You have likely been resisting for a very long time to express your real thoughts on many matters. You may have believed it was in bad taste to stand up to people in the work place or what not. Lowering resistance is what life is all about. The folly in deciding to now be a "dark worker" is that instead of noticing that you were allowing both polarities to simply exist as they will without grasping onto one or the other, through the use and subsequent belief in "being a dark worker" you have identified with one polarity instead of another. Once the intrigue and benefit of lowering your resistance wears off in this situation you will begin to notice that you are doing the same thing as before but merely grasping at the other polarity.
ChrisGinsburg is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 04:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 12,751
elucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributorelucidate is an amazing contributor
Default

I agree with chris. Labelling yourself a "darkworker" won't make you stand up to those people, feeling fed up with being pushed around and never standing up for yourself did!

You don't need to call yourself anything, as long as you stand up for yourself that's all that matters, and you can do that without a label.
elucidate is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 06:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,885
ZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightly
Default

Disregarding the labels of lightworking and darkworking, it sounds like you are simply learning to be more assertive, and despite what you seem to think, it is possible to be assertive without loosing basic respect for others. To be frank, I'd fire you if you were working for me. You say that you care for your work, but you seemingly fail to recognize that you must work in cooperation with others, and if you cannot tolerate or handle people who are different than you without having your ego threatened or feeling compelled to act 'super alpha male', I'd replace you with someone that can. Because you are the problem. Your behaviour is almost a caricature of a 'tough guy'. I don't want a boy working for me; I want a man that will take personal responsibility.

No one can mess with your inner self unless you allow them to.
ZephyrusX is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 06:38 AM   #18 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: In the moment
Posts: 527
billionairekid will become famous soon enough
Default

Here's my opinion. The dark side is dark for a reason. Having visited it, there isn't really much peace or sanity on that side. It's all about power. You want to control everything so you turn to dark working. If the notion of power makes you feel happy then sure, the dark side is a nice illusion you can enjoy for a while. Both paths take you to the same place ultimately....
billionairekid is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 06:42 AM   #19 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 2,700
ChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud ofChrisGinsburg has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by billionairekid View Post
Here's my opinion. The dark side is dark for a reason. Having visited it, there isn't really much peace or sanity on that side. It's all about power. You want to control everything so you turn to dark working. If the notion of power makes you feel happy then sure, the dark side is a nice illusion you can enjoy for a while. Both paths take you to the same place ultimately....
Trying to imagine yourself on either 'side' is inevitably about power and control. Only once the futility of this is seen will most people drop the act.
ChrisGinsburg is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 10:14 AM   #20 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrusX View Post
Disregarding the labels of lightworking and darkworking, it sounds like you are simply learning to be more assertive, and despite what you seem to think, it is possible to be assertive without loosing basic respect for others. To be frank, I'd fire you if you were working for me. You say that you care for your work, but you seemingly fail to recognize that you must work in cooperation with others, and if you cannot tolerate or handle people who are different than you without having your ego threatened or feeling compelled to act 'super alpha male', I'd replace you with someone that can. Because you are the problem. Your behaviour is almost a caricature of a 'tough guy'. I don't want a boy working for me; I want a man that will take personal responsibility.

No one can mess with your inner self unless you allow them to.
Well, my department boss disagrees with you, because he already told me that I was one of the best hirings. I care for everything. I care for my clients, the people i work for, the business. When i let my ego get hurt, my work quality decreases. I dont mess with anyone, in fact, the first months I was very "lightworking" when stuff started happened that made me think how to deal with it. I may be a worker, but im first a person. Respect me and Ill respect you 2 times more.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 11:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
Love in Action (Mod)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,527
pianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
I care for everything. I care for my clients, the people i work for, the business.
So you really aren't a dark worker, only a frustrated person dressing up as a dark worker.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
When i let my ego get hurt, my work quality decreases.
What's the worst that can happen if your ego is hurt? I tried to ask this earlier but it seems you missed it.
pianoperformer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 10:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Izak is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pianoperformer View Post
So you really aren't a dark worker, only a frustrated person dressing up as a dark worker.



What's the worst that can happen if your ego is hurt? I tried to ask this earlier but it seems you missed it.
I feel weak and powerless, like im something useless. If I'm carefree, like i dont give a rats ass, i feel good.
Izak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2011, 11:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
Love in Action (Mod)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,527
pianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nicepianoperformer is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izak View Post
I feel weak and powerless, like im something useless. If I'm carefree, like i dont give a rats ass, i feel good.
So you believe that you can only be carefree as a dark worker, but not as one who cares for others? Is that true?

I am relatively carefree, yet I do not label myself with "dark worker."
pianoperformer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2011, 04:02 AM   #24 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,885
ZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightlyZephyrusX is shining brightly
Default

Do you like this dude?

Hey There Cthulhu: The Photomontage Video - YouTube
ZephyrusX is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2011, 08:27 AM   #25 (permalink)
Family Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Down the infinite rabbit hole
Posts: 1,575
ButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppableButterflyWoman is absolutely unstoppable
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg View Post
In fact every time I see threads about dark/light worker I want to face palm and mention that most of the solutions people are searching for are not in getting even more absorbed in fantasy and extra labels for themselves.
*nodnodnod* I have to agree with that. I generally have the same reaction.
ButterflyWoman is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
3 days trial as a dark worker ryuk33 Character & Contribution 22 01-21-2010 03:36 PM
Light worker/dark worker the edge of a two sided mirror MrMan Character & Contribution 4 11-16-2008 05:33 PM
run-in with dark worker amixa Psychic & Paranormal 9 06-05-2008 01:47 PM
Dark worker, Light worker does not exist..... infinitethoughts Spirituality, Consciousness, & Awareness 7 03-14-2008 11:35 PM
Are you a light worker or a dark worker? Neo Master Character & Contribution 4 04-15-2007 06:13 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright © 2010 by Pavlina LLC