Emotional motivation is over

[Quakin]

I used to be a highly motivated person. Social success and so on.

But it was my passion to find the root of my motivation in life. You know - when you ask more and more questions - you can find the truth...
I trained my emotional mastery and found the emotional roots of my motivation. It's crystal clear: all my motives were ego-based. Secure, Control, Approval and so on was the root of everything I did.

It does not work for me now, i don't play the ego-based games. I am not interested in Approval, Control and even Secure. I don't want it anymore. Oops i'm lost. What the **** am i doing here on the Earth now? Thanks god i have some humor with me to look at it

Emotional motivation is over, but intellectual motivation is somewhere far away yet.

Is there anyone who used to have the same experience?
How I can accurately finish this transition period?

[Red Stone]

Why do you say that all of your motives were ego-based?

(emphasize on 'all')

[Quakin]

Red Stone, I think so, cause I have no motives at all, since ego-based motives are not "hidden" anymore.

I do have (almost) no motives, it's a strange state indeed.

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Quakin

It does not work for me now, i don't play the ego-based games. I am not interested in Approval, Control and even Secure. I don't want it anymore.

Your post is all about what you don't want. That's a great first step toward learning what you do want.

Even if you don't yet have an actual feeling of passion about it at this time, what do you want? To help people? To learn everything you can? To experience love? To grow?

Ego-based thinking is not the only provider of passion and motivation.

[Quakin]

InJoy, thanks.
Actually i want nothing. It makes me feel strange and lost.
Well... I do want to find "intellectual motivation".

Originally Posted by InJoy

Ego-based thinking is not the only provider of passion and motivation.

What else?

[RT Wolf]

Have you tried having an experiential view towards life? That is, what is your present moment experience of life, how do you feel?

You don't have to "want" anything in the traditional sense, but you stil enjoy things, and certain things more than others? The beauty of a flower or the work of God/Evolution/etc in an ant are still enjoyable, even though you don't have a "yearning" for those sorts of experiences. I hope I explained myself clearly. You don't have "wants" but you still have preferences based on how things make you feel. The important part is to find things that make you feel good without being egoic in nature.

That was my answer to the thing you're talking about.

Enjoying helping people could give you "spiritual"esque motivation, too.

HTH.

[Sunnybayes]

Yea. Here's what you do. Spend 10 hours hashing out a goal that you find inspiring.

Then when you are not motivated to do something but that you think you should do it, consciously link what you are thinking about doing to how it will let you reach that goal.

That was the short version.
Here's the long version in all its glory on how to actually do it and why it works:
The framework
My figure out the feelings inside my brain/body thread
My figure out the feelings inside my brain/body thread
My figure out the feelings inside my brain/body thread

You could also Check out Steve's post about intellectual motivation.
Motivation for smart people

OR even better method: do what we both did and find your own method.

[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Quakin

Well... I do want to find "intellectual motivation".

That's something! Certainly not "nothing".

Though, to be perfectly honest, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "intellectual motivation". Can you clarify?

Originally Posted by Quakin

What else?

In my case, I am motivated by my desire to grow spiritually and help other people do the same. I feel like my desire itself stems from a place/thing/force that I am a part of, but which is larger than I am as an individual.

In your case, it depends upon where you are in your own life and mind. (I don't feel like I have enough information about you.) You say that your previous motivation was to find the root of your motivations. Why were you motivated to do that? And why do you think that when you found that it was all ego based, that it went away? Do you have a belief about ego that says it is bad or wrong or unworthy? Do you believe in God or love or fate?

[Quakin]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

Have you tried having an experiential view towards life? That is, what is your present moment experience of life, how do you feel?

Thanks, RT Wolf. I know about this "view", I just don't feel it...yet.
I believe that motive-less life can be enjoyable, just have to find it.

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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Yea. Here's what you do. Spend 10 hours hashing out a goal that you find inspiring. .

It sounds smart. I will. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by InJoy

In my case, I am motivated by my desire to grow spiritually and help other people do the same.

I was motivated by the same. But since i can see the true reason of that motivation - i'm not interested in it anymore. ♥♥♥♥♥! It cannot be true, but it is.

Originally Posted by InJoy

Though, to be perfectly honest, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "intellectual motivation". Can you clarify?

Yes, it's a metaphor from the Steve's article:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...hest-pounding/

[Sunnybayes]

For Everyone: I use lots of jargon defined in dictionary linked in my signature. Read it FIRST!!:

InJoy, thanks.
Actually i want nothing. It makes me feel strange and lost.
Well... I do want to find "intellectual motivation".

Also the cool thing is it that we are forced by nature to want certain things in life.

So even though you don't know what you want, nature has programmed you to want these things:

Health, wealth, relationships, intellectual curiosity.
Because these things help our DNA to spread the earth.

That was the short version.

Here's what I actually mean:
Do we all have the same goal?

So your top level goal is to help create organized conciousness.

But everyone can't do that in the same way or society would fail. Everyone has a different role in life.

This is where the 10 hours comes in, to figure out what particular way you are going to help out.

And like Steve says, you have to make it a huge, hairy and audacious goal. Because it is you top level goal. Something that you could chase for your entire life. Your reason for you doing anything.

Also, if you've read through the framework, nature has programmed us to believe in god, has programmed into us faith.

Faith is the ultimate most top level goal. Its the background goodness in you. Its the background pleasure of living. It is your driving force.

You top most level goal has to be as close to that faith as possible. Faith sits on the peak of the hierarchy. It is your brains drive that makes you always want something better. Faith is want. Consciousness sits at the top of the hierarchy, I explain why faith is god is your conciousness.

I recommend working through these kinds of blocks in your journal. Type a question like, “Why am I feeling unmotivated to achieve this goal?” Then type whatever answer comes to mind. You’ll often find that the source of your block is that you’re thinking too small. You’re letting fears, excuses, and limiting beliefs hold you back. Your subconscious mind knows you’re settling, so it won’t provide any motivational fuel until you step up, face your fears, and acknowledge your heart’s desire. Once you finally decide to face your fears and drop the excuses, then you’ll find your motivation turning on full blast.

When I use this process myself, I uncover new goals that seem unreasonably big. I admit that I want them, but I feel incapable of achieving them. However, when I finally step up and set goals that lie outside my comfort zone, somehow I end up feeling very motivated, and I summon all sorts of unexpected resources to help me.

Was it unreasonable to set a web traffic goal of reaching a million monthly visitors without spending any money on marketing? I originally thought so, but I privately set that goal before I ever launched this site because it inspired me. More reasonable traffic goals had no motivational effect on me. Now that I’ve achieved that goal, my next traffic goal is to reach 10 million visitors a month. Is that unreasonable? Probably. But somehow it’s very motivating to me.

It seems counter-intuitive that motivation may be highest when setting goals that lie outside your comfort zone, but I’ve seen this pattern too many times to discount it. Perhaps we have to set big, hairy, audacious goals in order to feel truly motivated. Maybe little goals just aren’t enough to trigger the release of motivational energy. If we think a goal is too easy, we won’t commit all our internal resources. It’s only when we set unreasonable goals that all our internal resources come online, including motivation and drive.

When Steve says "If we think a goal is too easy" that means we think subconsciously that we've already created all the necessary invariant representations, so that we would not need to create more IRs. And as I say here: creating IRs that link to your main hierarchy create pleasure. So if you already have the skills, the IRs already, the you wont get pleasure. Because you only get pleasure when you create IRs that link to your hierarchy.

If a goal is too small, you are trying to create IRs that are not high enough in the hierarchy. And that you have not yet linked it to your main hierarchy. It is not close enough to the faith.

Crazy thing: If you have not thought about it before, then your top level goals will create fear in you. Just like Steve says here:

When you set goals that are too small and too timid, you suffer a perpetual lack of motivation. Try all the emotional conditioning techniques you want, but you’re wasting your time. Deep down you already know the truth. You just need to summon the courage to acknowledge your true desires. Then you’ll have to deal with the self-doubt and fear that’s been making you think too small. There’s no getting around that if you want to experience lasting motivation. Ironically, the real key to motivation is to set goals that scare you.

I recommend working through these kinds of blocks in your journal. Type a question like, “Why am I feeling unmotivated to achieve this goal?” Then type whatever answer comes to mind. You’ll often find that the source of your block is that you’re thinking too small. You’re letting fears, excuses, and limiting beliefs hold you back. Your subconscious mind knows you’re settling, so it won’t provide any motivational fuel until you step up, face your fears, and acknowledge your heart’s desire. Once you finally decide to face your fears and drop the excuses, then you’ll find your motivation turning on full blast.

Translated into my language:
fear = your concisenesses has focused on an IR that does not have its sub IRs defined yet = fear of unknown.

IF you think of a goal/IR that is high enough in your hierarchy, then it will not have had its sub IRs defined yet. Therefore you will fear it.

This is why I think they said "fear god". If god is as high up in the hierarchy that you can get, then you've probably have not defined the sub IRS yet so you fear it.

So when Steve says "set goals that scare you" then you know you are setting goals that are high enough.

And to no longer fear it, what does Steve suggest? He suggest this:

I recommend working through these kinds of blocks in your journal. Type a question like, “Why am I feeling unmotivated to achieve this goal?” Then type whatever answer comes to mind. You’ll often find that the source of your block is that you’re thinking too small. You’re letting fears, excuses, and limiting beliefs hold you back.

He says use your journal. What he is asking you to do is to do some brainstorming to come up with some steps that you can achieve your biggest goals. This means you have a high up IR, define its sub IRs. Visualize what the sub IRs are.

Fear = fear of unknown = missing sub IRs. Overcome your fear = face your fear = make the unknown known = define sub IRs for that scary top level IR by visualizing and brainstorming.

Why does this question work?
“Why am I feeling unmotivated to achieve this goal?”

In the language of IRs, you have motivation for a goal if that goal/IR is linked to your main hierarchy. So basically this question means:
"Why am I feeling that this IR is not linked to my main hierarchy?"

And basically this is the same as asking "Why am I feeling scared to achieve this goal?" And then you write down your fears. And then you expand your fear out in a tree like fashion. If you trace your fear far enough, then you get down to the very lowest level root IRs.

I used this method to get over my fear of calling a girl up on the phone:
Get over calling fear and the fear of bungee jumping (me visualizing my brains going splat on the concrete :-), but I've conquered my fear of death so that does not bother me)

Then once you've done that then he says:

When I use this process myself, I uncover new goals that seem unreasonably big. I admit that I want them, but I feel incapable of achieving them.

Imagine that your hierarchy is a pyramid. Once you've done the process of uncovering your fears to the deepest level, then you've built the based of the pyramid. Then you feel like you can now stand and reach for higher ambitious goals.

Then finally:

It’s only when we set unreasonable goals that all our internal resources come online, including motivation and drive.

When I set a goal that’s big enough and challenging enough, I never need to pump myself up with emotional rah-rah. I feel motivated to pursue the goal because my intellect is fully behind it.

"set unreasonable goals" defined:
goals = IR
unreasonable = way high
set = linked it to hierarchy = connected to purpose in life = serve DNA/god = connected to faith = peak of the hierarchy = consciousness = want

"set unreasonable goals"

"I feel motivated to pursue the goal" = "I want to do this goal" = goal is connected/linked to your want/drive/faith/conciousness/I/god

= IR is connected to your main hierarchy = not some fragmented piece

And also I've defined HAPPINESS when your hierarchy is not fragmented/ it is whole.

How to be happy:
Defined a crazy high life goal bordering on faith
Always know how your actions lead to that goal.
Don't set extraneous goals that you don't know how they are linked to the top.
Not have fears.
Have faith.
Get absorbed by work you are passionate for (i.e. everything is so automatic because all the subconcious IRs have been created)
Find a balance between boredom and stress = interesting enough but not chaotic
Maintain health, wealth, relationships, intellectual curiosity
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[InJoy]

Originally Posted by Quakin

I was motivated by the same. But since i can see the true reason of that motivation - i'm not interested in it anymore. ♥♥♥♥♥! It cannot be true, but it is.


Yes, it's a metaphor from the Steve's article:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...hest-pounding/

Interesting article. I hadn't seen that before. Thank you.

A couple of things come up for me. One is, you could apply that tiny glimmer of interest you have toward finding intellectual motivation and see if you can get it to grow. Perhaps if you break down what is blocking your motivation, that process will have the same disintegrative affect on your block as it did on your original motivation.

Another idea popped into my head as I was reading Steve's article. Maybe you just need to allow yourself to be in your unmotivated state for a little while. From the sounds of it, you were a hyper-motivated person for a long time. Perhaps there is value in sitting back and just Being for a bit. Anyway, it would be an interesting exercise, and who knows what might come of it.

[ken nubo]

Going full circle.

First you'll try to find meaning, then you'll find the meaning, then you'll drop the search for meaning.