Stumbling block with LoA - Fairness and undeliberate creation

[Froztwolf]

Hi everyone.
I've been listening to a lot of Abraham-Hicks tapes recently about Law of Attraction. I was familiar with it before but decided to take some time and really try to master the concept.

While everything else seems to click into place there is one thing that I can't quite put together. They say that there is no unfairness in that "all is well". Yet there are a lot of people living in misery because they are continually attracting things they don't want and don't have an opportunity to learn about LoA themselves. Like refugees and/or the very poor.

I will agree that they are getting what they are attracting but how can it be said that all is well and that there is no unfairness if, because of my middle-class status and access to western goods and products, I can learn about and master LoA while these people cannot and are therefore doomed to attract a lifetime of horrible things?

If someone has already reconciled these things for himself, please help me do so too. At this point I can't see that it's fair that everyone is equal to the law of attraction if some people get the chance to learn about it and not others.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Froztwolf

Hi everyone.
I've been listening to a lot of Abraham-Hicks tapes recently about Law of Attraction. I was familiar with it before but decided to take some time and really try to master the concept.

While everything else seems to click into place there is one thing that I can't quite put together. They say that there is no unfairness in that "all is well". Yet there are a lot of people living in misery because they are continually attracting things they don't want and don't have an opportunity to learn about LoA themselves. Like refugees and/or the very poor.

I will agree that they are getting what they are attracting but how can it be said that all is well and that there is no unfairness if, because of my middle-class status and access to western goods and products, I can learn about and master LoA while these people cannot and are therefore doomed to attract a lifetime of horrible things?

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First of all, understand the law of attraction is always working.

Second of all, understand that you are where you are. Where you are is a result of what life has inspired you to ask for, in other words.

Third, realize that when the student is ready, the teacher WILL appear.

Fourth, even if you told each one of those people about law of attraction, they would not hear it. You can only attract information that you are a vibrational match for. Those who only accept lack cannot hear a message of abundance.

It may help you to know that when those individuals are tired of their situation to the point where they start searching their souls for the meaning behind their experiences, they will be inspired to ask for this information, and it won't matter what their economic situation is when that happens, the information WILL come to them, one way or another.

Also, there will always be somebody experiencing pain somewhere. That is the nature of the universe. There is that which feels good, and that which does not feel good, and that is how we learn.

All anybody anywhere has to do to create the life of their dreams is follow their bliss. It isn't complicated, you just have to listen to your heart.

Also, remember, that when you focus on what is "wrong" with the world, you feel bad for a very good reason. It means you are not seeing this situation through the eyes of source (positivity). Looking at what makes you feel bad will separate you from your inner being's guidance.

Always see the glass as half full, rather than half empty. Optimism is downstream thinking that will always lead you where you want to go.

[Froztwolf]

I guess you are right. People everywhere have an equal chance to learn about Law of Attraction and to get the opportunity of using it in their favor.

While it's easy to come at that intellectually it will take some time to internalize.
I really want to see the glass as half-full at all times but sometimes my logical mind or my ego gets in the way.

This was my one big stumbling block with the logic though. I think now I can move past it and focus on application, application, application.

Thank you so much Anagogy, I so very much appreciate all the assistance nice members like yourself have given me at this site.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Froztwolf

I guess you are right. People everywhere have an equal chance to learn about Law of Attraction and to get the opportunity of using it in their favor.

While it's easy to come at that intellectually it will take some time to internalize.
I really want to see the glass as half-full at all times but sometimes my logical mind or my ego gets in the way.

This was my one big stumbling block with the logic though. I think now I can move past it and focus on application, application, application.

Thank you so much Anagogy, I so very much appreciate all the assistance nice members like yourself have given me at this site.

You are extremely welcome, as always.

[Manomanman]

The LOA is garbage. We must toss it aside in favor of information-based ontology (i.e. that reality is the result of the information contained in our minds).

JesseLovesYou.com » There Are No Ideas Left Unturned: Prometheus Rising
--- read the first big paragraph.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by Froztwolf

I guess you are right. People everywhere have an equal chance to learn about Law of Attraction and to get the opportunity of using it in their favor.

Wow, you gave up pretty easily. I don't mean to sound judgmental. It just seems like you were asking for permission to ignore the sad souls who aren't at a place to learn about the LoA.

I am not so easily convinced and I'd still lIke an answer to the question. If some people are not at a state ready to accept the LoA, they cannot take control of the LoA enough to control their lives. If they don't have control, they can't get control. Something has to in a way release them so they can be free to think that they might be able to take charge over their lives with the LoA. So, since they are not free, possibly because of a lot of spiritual or cultural baggage, or because they do not have access to a LoA instructor, how can anyone say it's fair? Doesn't fairness require equal opportunity? They don't have the same opportunity to discover the LoA that we in the west have.

And just being in the west doesn't automatically open one up to the LoA. If someone was raised to be a devout Christian, or if they were born with a high IQ and an especially analytical mind, they were probably taught to religiously believe in the scientific method, so they will probably find the idea of the LoA ridiculous. What's fair about that? They are basically trapped and will never be able to shed their beliefs.

[Manuel]

Interesting points Smartalx,

I must say I am very skeptical about LoA myself. If this law of attraction would really work, then people who work with it should have everything they want in life! But do they really? I can't prove that they don't, but somehow I seriously doubt it. Steve Pavlina himself is a perfect example, because although he may boast about how he's creating abundance all the time, apparently he's just in the process of getting a divorce! If he thinks he can attract abundance, why didn't he attract a happy and succesful marriage?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Froztwolf

Hi everyone.
I've been listening to a lot of Abraham-Hicks tapes recently about Law of Attraction. I was familiar with it before but decided to take some time and really try to master the concept.

While everything else seems to click into place there is one thing that I can't quite put together. They say that there is no unfairness in that "all is well". Yet there are a lot of people living in misery because they are continually attracting things they don't want and don't have an opportunity to learn about LoA themselves. Like refugees and/or the very poor.

I will agree that they are getting what they are attracting but how can it be said that all is well and that there is no unfairness if, because of my middle-class status and access to western goods and products, I can learn about and master LoA while these people cannot and are therefore doomed to attract a lifetime of horrible things?

If someone has already reconciled these things for himself, please help me do so too. At this point I can't see that it's fair that everyone is equal to the law of attraction if some people get the chance to learn about it and not others.

Wow, you have some strong beliefs about morality.. you seem to want to let go off..

Understand that when you listen to a message like abraham-hicks some people will take one part of that message and use the idea to invalidate everything.. in some ways this may be what your reaching for

To let go of the idea of good/evil (morality) is to get of something that us humans created as a system of judgments.. if you really listen clearly to abraham-hicks messages you would see that though they never say it.. there trying to lean people that way.. to "no judgments"

Because your entire post is a judgment it says in simple terms

- There is wrong in the world and it doesn't seem to be fair

And abraham-hicks says "what you put out, is what you get back" so this wrong is the judgment label.. you are saying it's wrong to suffer, your saying it's wrong to murder, your saying there is a RIGHT way to be and a WRONG way to be.. Abraham-hicks and all channeled messages essentially say THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO BE.. they say it's "this and that" not "this or that"

What's funny about us and our judgments is.. 99% of us have never even met the poor suffering people in the world that our just out there somewhere around the corner.. yet we look out our windows every day see sunshine and love and no global warming and even though the economy sucks.. we still eat pretty well.. we get alone just fine..

If you understand the spiritual journey at all.. you will realize that the way of growth is INSIDE it's not outside.. it's not looking out there and saying.. "there's lack out there, war.. awfulness.. kids being raped and pillaged in the streets" "it's awful" (all judgments)

If you don't like it, that's fine.. but the journey is to let others do their thing and you be busy doing your own.. preferably happy

And now I'm done talking about judgments and morals and will instead give you a few youtube clips that may help with this

YouTube - Abraham: WAR, PETS AND ALIGNMENT - Esther & Jerry Hicks
YouTube - ABRAHAM: WAR Total world peace

Here is a different message maybe it will resonate some more
YouTube - Bashar + Abraham
YouTube - Bashar - The Higher Mind

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Manuel

Steve Pavlina himself is a perfect example, because although he may boast about how he's creating abundance all the time, apparently he's just in the process of getting a divorce! If he thinks he can attract abundance, why didn't he attract a happy and succesful marriage?

Who said he didn't have a happy and successful marriage?

And who says.. a successful marriage must last a month a year, a lifetime?

Those are our judgments.. (more specifically yours.. I don't share your viewpoint) and you Manuell are just looking to invalidate ideas based on those judgments..

You are welcome to be skeptical of LOA all you want.. but I promise you this truth.. once you know you can't escape it it is core truth to this reality.. and you will accept it eventually or move on

Surprisingly, smartalx our resident skeptic/sniper seems very in tune with the idea in his post..

Originally Posted by Manuel

I must say I am very skeptical about LoA myself.

Yes, your skepticism is highly evident by your post.. and you're welcome to your judgments and invalidations.. but should you want to open the door, should you want to see a chance for change maybe even happiness.. you'll be back not cause LOA provides happiness (though it does ) but because it is a true truth

Originally Posted by Manuel

If this law of attraction would really work, then people who work with it should have everything they want in life! But do they really? I can't prove that they don't, but somehow I seriously doubt it.

And what would be the point of getting everything you want in life.. that would be boring??

Let's put it this way Manuel.. if we could get everything we want in life. Right at the SECOND we had it all.. we'd think of something more we'd want.. and we go get that

[Manuel]

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[B]And who says.. a successful marriage must last a month a year, a lifetime?[/B]
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I am not saying it SHOULD. But he was married with two young kids, I'm sure he didn't think "oh boy! yippee let's get a divorce" :-). Since he loves her and has had kids with her, wouldn't you think he'd try anything to make it work? And it seems to me that this LoA should be able to provide a CONTINUED happy marriage for him then, because through the law of attraction you are supposed to be able to attract ANYTHING you want into your life, correct?

So if he truly wanted to have a CONTINUED happy marriage with Erin, according to the LoA he should have been able to attract it to himself then.
You may of course reply that he didn't want the marriage anymore, but I consider that an easy cop-out.

Moreover, what about people like Wayne Dyer, who I understand, has Leukemia now? And that woman who wrote "Excuse me, your life is waiting" (Lynn Grabhorn I think), who died of cancer? They both wrote about LoA and how it can create perfect health etc. and how it had changed their lives. How do you explain that then?

Please note I am not saying this to spite Steve or ridicule the LoA. I just would like some intelligent observations on these issues instead of people reciting platitudes that don't convince me.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Manuel

I am not saying it SHOULD. But he was married with two young kids, I'm sure he didn't think "oh boy! yippee let's get a divorce" :-).

Why are you making judgments about what steve should have done.. when you're not him?

Some people would think.. "oh boy! yippee.. this isn't working.. I think we should separate or see other people or be happy in other ways!"

This idea you're talking about is a societal belief that says
- 2 people should stay together forever and be happy (cause that's good for the kids and good for the parents)

If you haven't been paying attention to what's going on out there in the world.. this belief isn't working.. which is why millions of people are finding that out every year..

Now I agree with you on the idea that steve could have stayed married.. let me go a step further.. in another reality.. steve is still happily married.. in this one he's decided not to be that is his reflection her.. I for one am okay with it.. you apparently have judgments with it..

Since he loves her and has had kids with her, wouldn't you think he'd try anything to make it work?

This isn't the idea that we can "force" people to love us.. or always choose us.. every second were a NEW person.. and sometimes these things change.. but let's be clear it's more than possible from right this second..

Steve can choose to fix his family/divorce.. it's up to him and the reality he goes to.. it's not for us to judge.. steve can wait 10 years.. erin can be re-married and he can still fix this divorce if both party's our willing..

Originally Posted by Manuel

Since he loves her and has had kids with her, wouldn't you think he'd try anything to make it work? And it seems to me that this LoA should be able to provide a CONTINUED happy marriage for him then, because through the law of attraction you are supposed to be able to attract ANYTHING you want into your life, correct?

So if he truly wanted to have a CONTINUED happy marriage with Erin, according to the LoA he should have been able to attract it to himself then.
You may of course reply that he didn't want the marriage anymore, but I consider that an easy cop-out.

See above

Originally Posted by Manuel

Moreover, what about people like Wayne Dyer, who I understand, has Leukemia now? And that woman who wrote "Excuse me, your life is waiting" (Lynn Grabhorn I think), who died of cancer? They both wrote about LoA and how it can create perfect health etc. and how it had changed their lives. How do you explain that then?

Please note I am not saying this to spite Steve or ridicule the LoA. I just would like some intelligent observations on these issues instead of people reciting platitudes that don't convince me.

Let met throw in another example.. a lot of people here into math and science and such like "Seth" who's channeler died of "leukemia" I believe..

This is a limitation reality.. it is highly limited.. in that if you believe the following
- Leukemia is bad for me.. I would never want to get that or have that.. never ever! (and you repeat that a lot.. that would be a bad idea!)

The rules are you get what you think about and you get what you allow.. so just because we've had great spiritual teachers doesn't mean they don't die too.. I mean even Jesus was technically a great spiritual teacher.. but as far as I'm aware he's not currently alive in my reality in that I mean around me.. cause technically he is also still alive

If you want to understand the rules.. then understand that this is such a limiting reality/game that we can't just turn our head and say "I want out of this game.. I had enough" we didn't design it with a out like that.. and the only way that works is to die anyway..

So the idea is in this reality where you can create beliefs and definitions that are limiting.. is that if you can't remove them, you can't clean them.. they will eventually kill you is what I understand

They will move from active in your reality, re-enforcing in your reality too.. manifestation into disease in your reality..

I don't really have a clue how to explain this to you in a positive way that you would not find invalidating.. so I suggest you ask your questions and I'll try again if you want.. if not as you know or don't know many people on this forum like messages from a entity called Abraham.. maybe try giving that a youtube listen if not "The Secret's" message is just as valid if you don't look for reasons to invalidate..

[Manuel]

Hi master,

Thanks for the reply. I'm not looking for reasons to invalidate the LoA, but I AM looking for explanations of the apparent contradictions with it. Because I wouldn't go and spend time on the LoA if I felt it was a waste of my time, I think that is obvious. I am not asking anyone to PROVE that the LoA works, because it's obviously not possible to prove that. But in order for me to believe in this law of attraction (and I fully recognize that it's something that I need! someone else might not need it at all) I need to have my questions about it explained in a way that makes sense, otherwise I simply do not find this whole Loa convincing.

I am not so naive to think that the LoA can prevent anyone from dying! :-). But Wayne Dyer is still very much alive, he just has leukemia. Now if one can attract perfect health with LoA and he has always written about how you can create your own reality in his books, why does he have leukemia? Or would you simply say the answer is that he hasn't used the LoA to create health for himself? But the part about dying brings up a very interesting point, though. We cannot obviously use LoA to keep us alive, because dying is an inextricable part of being human apparently. But doesn't this suggest that there might be a lot of other aspects to being human that simply ARE, which CANNOT be influenced by LoA? I mean, we obviously cannot prevent ourselves from dying with LoA...how many OTHER things in life are there that we cannot control with LoA?

And this is what I think turns me off from the whole LoA thing the most: simply how far people take it. I mean, I certainly believe that your thoughts greatly influence your life and also what you attract INTO your life, but not in the way that many people seem to believe it here. For example, I think that if you believe people are rude, you seem to run into more rude people in your life. But I don't think this is because you are attracting them TO you, but because your mind is focused on that idea so much, you simply NOTICE these people a lot more in your life. I have certainly noticed that in my life a lot: that when I'm happy the very SAME person who always annoys me suddenly seems a lot less annoying to me, even though they act exactly the same as always! So the outside world appears different, because i'm different on the inside, but that is not the same as saying I attracted better circumstances, because in fact, the circumstances are THE SAME! I just view them differently.

[SmartAlx]

Originally Posted by themaster

Why are you making judgments about what steve should have done.. when you're not him?

If I may be permitted to speak for him, I would say that he isn't judging Steve really, but rather he is judging the LoA's effectiveness at protecting a marriage, especially the marraige between two of the world's most respected LoA advocates.

Some people would think.. "oh boy! yippee.. this isn't working..

I'm pretty sure the argument is that the LoA experts wouldn't ever find themselves in the situation where their marriage isn't working to begin with.

We could say the same thing about the movement's biggest leaders getting terminal illnesses and dying before their time. If anyone finds themselves scurrying to put their affairs in order before they die, then they clearly did not mean to manifest their own demise. Not sure if this has happened yet, but it's sure something to look out for.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Manuel

I'm not looking for reasons to invalidate the LoA, but I AM looking for explanations of the apparent contradictions with it.

The contradictions are invalidation.. but I would be happy to try and fill in the wholes that doesn't mean you won't invalidate those

Because everything about "new age" can be a invalidation.. the higher the information the more "EGO" may want to invalidate.. and thus reject the whole message all together.. I hope that maybe your one of the few.. that can reject parts of the message and still use some of its core teachings.. you see that is why I think of "The Secret" as a sect message

I guess there is a idea of "it's all or nothing" and I think a lot of people use that mindset.. me included, maybe

Originally Posted by Manuel

Because I wouldn't go and spend time on the LoA if I felt it was a waste of my time, I think that is obvious.

Well, here's a simple fact.. you don't need to spend any time on it.. you can observe your reality.. the scientist label for getting what you think about is..

*coincidence* the LOA label is synchronicity.. you have to choose what it is

But the secret is.. if you think it's more than *coincidence* than it all starts to make sense and is a truth you can prove mainly in your reality.. in others.. maybe not so much

If you never heard me state it.. I will state it clearly, I have always said that "new age" is a religion because it provides life after death answers.. how I feel about that now I can't say.. I can just say.. you may want to think of it that way.. if that's helpful or not.. sometimes giving it that label is not helpful (yah, now that I use the word label.. I'm not sure LOA should be in that box.. I'm not a big fan of labels which are judgments )

I understand the "EGO" idea.. life is preciously short (I used to use this) and because of it I shouldn't spend too much of my time on this thing that may not serve me..

Originally Posted by Manuel

I need to have my questions about it explained in a way that makes sense, otherwise I simply do not find this whole Loa convincing.

As I said, I will answer your questions.. whether you choose to invalidate them.. is up to you..

Originally Posted by Manuel

I am not so naive to think that the LoA can prevent anyone from dying! :-)

Yes and no.. I mean all death is choice.. all limitations we take on our choice.. (whether we realize that consciously or not)

Law of attraction is the 3rd law of all realities.. I will provide you with all laws per my teacher

1. You exist.
2. The all are the 1, the 1 is the all.
3. What you put out is what you get back. <--- Also called law of attraction
4. Everything changes except the first 3 laws.

Originally Posted by Manuel

But Wayne Dyer is still very much alive, he just has leukemia. Now if one can attract perfect health with LoA

Not really attract.. there is where you might be confused.. The thing that creates disease is a self-inflicted.. disease is not in the blood stream, not in a airborne virus etc.. most disease is self-created and if you were to say get AIDS by sexual transmission.. more than likely that would be LOA getting you a disease to match up with the beliefs and definitions you have about yourself..

You see I bet you and I offer 0 proof but I bet you many more people have gotten AIDS etc. then what's reported.. but our body's are beautiful machines that can repair anything.. and for those who don't have negative definitions/beliefs they would just CURE the disease.. there's no need to go there..

Let me give you a example that you can probably find proof for.. (if that will help you validate) there's a story told on here and it's common story.. of a person who was accidently told they had "terminal cancer" and would die in 8 months or whatever.. well according to that story and other stories.. the person lived there 8 months and died.. but as is the case with these stories it turns out that they were not the one who had "Terminal Cancer" it turns out that was bad information/a misdiagnosis

So then you ask.. why did he die?

Answer is simple.. because he believed he would die.. cause he believed the information passed on to him.. it is the power of belief and the mind.. so in that idea in relation to AIDS.. if you don't know you have AIDS, you were never diagnosed that you had AIDS.. and you didn't have limiting beliefs/definitions that might make that disease not carry on in you.. your body would just cure that disease and you would be none the wiser.. (so that's how I make a un-provable or hard to prove claim that many people may have contracted diseases and cured them.. because they were all right in there beliefs/definitions whereas others like Wayne Dryer.. have something going on)

According to my teachers.. beliefs and definitions are physical manifestations of messages we have about ourselves that we are "not okay" with ourselves.. those go from being validations in your reality (idea/thoughts.. beliefs in actions) to physical manifestations of disease..

I am not going to tell you that Wayne Dryer may not have a miracle cure.. (they happen all the time..) I recently met a woman who claimed to get rid of a terminal throat cancer through a healing class.. but he's going to have to give himself a "permission slip" to allow his body to heal.. it doesn't matter the form.. a new scientific treatment, a sugar pill, a healing class.. anything and everything can be a "permission slip" to have a miracle recovery.. but until he does that.. he's just letting that belief/definition take him out of this reality.. because it's a terminal belief/definition is it not?

Originally Posted by Manuel

We cannot obviously use LoA to keep us alive, because dying is an inextricable part of being human apparently.

This will change I believe within our lifetimes

Originally Posted by Manuel

But doesn't this suggest that there might be a lot of other aspects to being human that simply ARE, which CANNOT be influenced by LoA? I mean, we obviously cannot prevent ourselves from dying with LoA...how many OTHER things in life are there that we cannot control with LoA?

This is a statement of limitation.. I am a optimist.. I only see great things coming and unlimited ways to be..

As a normal person you look around the world and see limitation, lack and evidence.. optimists don't.. they see great things coming, they see ways to change everything.. they don't believe or experience much limitation and even when they're getting limitation.. they still imbue optimism..

Now here's a crux of a matter.. if you were to take a optimists viewpoint.. if you were to spend time researching optimistically.. you would also find EVIDENCE to support miracle healings, cures whatever.. why are there millions of articles published in our newspaper everyday..

About a person that couldn't walk? that now does
About a person who had thyroid cancer? but is now fine..

The stories and truths are endless.. you can choose your perspective.. I have given you a taste of mine

Originally Posted by Manuel

And this is what I think turns me off from the whole LoA thing the most: simply how far people take it. I mean, I certainly believe that your thoughts greatly influence your life and also what you attract INTO your life, but not in the way that many people seem to believe it here

LOA is a spiritual journey that's how I see it, here are the steps in plain English

1. See that your thoughts effect reality

2. Take it to the next level.. I have influence over reality! That means that everything created is for me! everything out there is a exact match to what I'm putting out.. I have power to change things!

3. More information, higher spiritual steps..

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Manuel

For example, I think that if you believe people are rude, you seem to run into more rude people in your life. But I don't think this is because you are attracting them TO you, but because your mind is focused on that idea so much, you simply NOTICE these people a lot more in your life.

If you believe people are rude! Then you will attract RUDE people through this belief.. because all beliefs are re-enforcing.. they test you and they test you again..

To understand the next step in loa again is to understand.. I create reality! It's not it's all *random*, it's I create and have influence on reality.

I will not argue about the idea.. that there are other people out there.. there are! I will not say that you bring rude people into your life, or queer people or whatever people (doesn't matter subject) this is a giant game of interaction with ourselves from millions/billions of perspectives (isn't it wonderful?)

So there out there.. slinging mud.. making waves etc. but our job is to be ourselves.. to not get caught in what they're doing, or there issue with themselves (many times they project it on others.. cause they don't want to look at it)

The point I'm making is.. rude people exist! yes! but the idea is if you don't have a belief about them.. your highly unlikely to attract them much or at all.. it may happen but the more you know you and what you want, via LOA the more the interactions happen the way you want and the less contrast you experience

Originally Posted by Manuel

I have certainly noticed that in my life a lot: that when I'm happy the very SAME person who always annoys me suddenly seems a lot less annoying to me, even though they act exactly the same as always! So the outside world appears different, because i'm different on the inside, but that is not the same as saying I attracted better circumstances, because in fact, the circumstances are THE SAME! I just view them differently.

That is exactly how LOA's supposed to work you just described it.. change doesn't happen EXTERNALLY.. it happens through the INSIDE. It happens through self love, taking control, requesting what you want.. and attempting to reach for more fun, joy, excitement, love in the moment

In every second, in almost very moment.. we are a NEW person.. listen to what I'm saying if you can.. in every second you're a NEW person.. you attract through your state of being.

My teachers line.. "circumstances don't matter, only state of being matters" here's the subtle hint.. matters = manifestation.

And to clarify the outside reality may appear to be the same.. that is a illusion of continuity.. but literally every second were in a NEW reality

This is why we say.. you create your own reality

[Tanja]

Originally Posted by Manuel

Interesting points Smartalx,
I must say I am very skeptical about LoA myself. If this law of attraction would really work, then people who work with it should have everything they want in life! But do they really?

No matter how good they are at it, they're still people. They too, I'm sure, have limiting beliefs, but are better at spotting them and eliminating them.

Think of any person you consider to be an 'expert' in their field. Do you expect them to be 'perfect' and always make the right decision?

From what I've understood about LOA, you're creating all the time, and those who, as you say, work with it or are considered to be good at it, are better at creating consciously, for me it doesn't necessarily mean they can do anything (walk on water etc). If someone is able to create 70-80 % of what they want (if we talk about 'consciously' creating), and not 100 %, I'd still take their advice on the subject.

Originally Posted by Manuel

I can't prove that they don't, but somehow I seriously doubt it. Steve Pavlina himself is a perfect example, because although he may boast about how he's creating abundance all the time, apparently he's just in the process of getting a divorce! If he thinks he can attract abundance, why didn't he attract a happy and succesful marriage?

Speaking not only of marriage, but let's say you make a decision now, is that it? Are you not allowed to change it, ever? I'm sure in 10 years time you'll change, learn new things along the way, gain new perspective and what if you realize that something else could be a better choice for you?
You grow and so do your ''teachers' (for lack of a better word).

[themaster]

I want to come back to a idea I was talking about here and turn it into a simple statement.. about the story of dying because a doctor told you and then curing diseases you don't even know you have..

I was saying: That the power of belief is powerful and if you believe in yourself then the opposite of how to die cause a doctor "told you", you had terminal cancer is also true.. you can be just fine, with any disease (AIDS) you contract for yourself.. if you choose not to go there, if you believe in yourself!

Now that's not a simple statement.. but that's the best I can get out of my head for now

The power of belief is strong it can create your death or it can create a impenetrable anti-body of disease!

(there that's a little better)