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08-05-2009, 02:58 PM
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 |  Let's face it, the man's a god
I was just watching Johnny Soporno clips on Youtube and reading up on his Seductive Reasoning World Tour. I was really impressed and fascinated by his presence (macho, masculine looking not to mention Violet's looks and charm), his experiences (dating porn stars and runway models), his philosophy (emancipating women, relieving men), and most of all, his personality (sweet, humanistic, down-to-earth). He can get any girl he wants and if he wanted to, he could be a jerk about it. He could call the girls sluts and act like he's better than shy, unassuming types of guys. But he chose to dedicate his life to emancipating women and in the process, helping guys who have trouble meeting girls or want to date girls they're super attracted to. I hope that his tour comes to the US so that I can get to meet him. Johnny, thanks for everything!
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08-05-2009, 03:27 PM
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I would have to disagree with you. Your putting him on a pedestal. See the way he acts plays a big role in his status. If he was arrogant about his abilities he wouldn't be any where near as good as he is because people could see it and wouldn't like him or get on with him as well. I've watched all of the seductive reasoning videos and I wasn't that impressed with them. They do have some gems of information but a lot of it is just useless padding. All you really need to know is the crux of what he's telling you. The things you can do, actions you can take that will replicate his success and a few home truths. It could probably be condensed into a well planned hour of good quality information. |
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08-05-2009, 04:38 PM
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 Heh but I know what you mean. Quote:
Soporno does seem like a cool good guy. Steve and Erin like him, so that's enough proof for me. I like his material and I think it's much more honest and positive than some of the other PUA-type stuff I've read. I like that Soporno puts a big focus on being authentic. | ||
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08-07-2009, 11:27 AM
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What do I mean by that? Why so many books were written on any given spiritual topic? The original statements may be only a few lines long. However, in order for them to reach people's mind and get well "digested" requires much more then a few lines of the original manuscript. On some subjects, new books are coming every now and then and while telling us in essence exactly the same thing - they spend quite a lot of time putting more light on those "simple" subjects again and again. Sometimes from completely different angle. And what is good about it – some people finally “get it.” Examples? Eckhart Tolle is a very good example to the above. Why do people come to his seminars and retreats? The answer here is very simple. Some things were not clear for them from the very first read or even after reading his work twice. People still have QUESTIONS. They hope that by attending the seminar or re-reading the original they will GET the message. As we all know there is an abundance of information around us. And that is not making things easier for our brains. Are you familiar with a term “seminar junkie”? It’s a well-known term in the pickup community. Those are people who FEEL GOOD about themselves when they continue attending seminars, workshops, etc. They think that they are “not good enough yet” because they did not hear that “MAGIC PHRASE” or method which will cure them at once and make successful with women forever. They are hoping that the next seminar will deliver that knowledge. However, they ALREADY KNOW more then enough to be successful. They do not have to look further. All they have to do is to WATCH or listen to one good seminar (such as Johnny’s) and then go out and live it. Not “think” about it without end, but GO OUT into the real world and live it. After a while, they will have to come back and re-watch it. A whole new layer of knowledge will jump out on them. I repeatedly re-watch or re-read what I consider to be important (seminars, audio books, etc) at least ONCE A YEAR. Some titles I saw 10 times, other 20 and more. Every time there is something new. This applies 100% to Seductive Reasoning seminar videos. I resonated with what Johnny is talking about very strongly from the first conversation we had with him in Amsterdam 4 years ago. This year I went to Oslo to participate in his SR 201 seminar. I knew some things but after a couple of years of REALLY living this paradigm – I had a few questions, which I even could not even put in words. During the seminar I had a few “a-ha” moments which felt as if few big blocks of knowledge finally took their place. Things Johnny Soporno teaches are so “out of usual” that it requires IMHO strict “dosing.” Take in account also the fact that society-installed beliefs are not leaving our heads without a fight. After Johnny’s seminar in Oslo and particularly after his private work with people 1-on-1 - I saw people refusing to drive their cars because they felt that the knowledge they just received was TOO MUCH for them to digest all at once. They felt in shock. It took me about 4 days to digest the things he spoke about. After they were digested, I could not see things the way I saw them before. The truth became obvious after it has been thoroughly explained. DJKC | |
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08-07-2009, 06:44 PM
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|  "Intro to Seductive Reasoning 101" - my free seminar Quote:
 'Seductive Reasoning' concentrates on so many more vital and essential components of living freely, consciously, and without ever experiencing embarrassment or regret! It speaks to methods for personal development and shameless self-improvement in every area of ones existence, continually returning to how, through becoming a person they themselves would like, they will begin to attract the kinds of partners they most appreciate. Seriously, do us both a favor, and go to Introduction to Seductive Reasoning 101 Seminar Videos and redownload it! - It's free, and the approximately 6 hours of the seminar are about as brief as I could possibly have made them; they couldn't be condensed or have been compressed at all without significantly damaging their effectiveness, and leaving out critical and essential messages. For the record, the reason I recorded the SR101 lecture in the first place was so that the attendees could listen uninterruptedly, not needing to stop and take notes as I spoke. I had intended for the audience members to be able to deconstruct the critical components on their own time, after they had had a little while to let their minds settle. This is why I encourage everyone to TAKE NOTES while they watch the videos, and further, that they return to rewatch the videos at least once after they've been through them! After the seminar videos got 'leaked' to the general public online, I decided not to fight it, and instead began to publish it freely, for universal distribution - and over half-a-million downloads later, I'm still very happily sharing it for free, thanks to the generosity of the hosting companies which believe (as I do) that the data and insights I'm sharing need to get out. I have never needed to pay even a dollar for the bandwidth required to distribute approximately 1.2 Gigabytes of videos, 500,000+ times! (This doesn't even attempt to contemplate the number of people who have been 'pirating' this FREE work, on torrent sites or limewire/kazaa etc!  )Sincerely, Johnny Soporno Worthy Playboy & Sexual Revolutionary Worthy Playboy Institute Last edited by Johnny Soporno; 08-07-2009 at 06:51 PM. | |
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08-08-2009, 09:57 AM
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When watching your videos I was not expecting or looking for anything. I just wanted to know the crux. The "Do as I do" part, because all we really want to do is replicate your success. So I just wanted to find out the "what you do and how you think" that generate the results you get. For example, lets say you wanted to know how to build a computer from off the shelf components. Now lets say that you go to a seminar about how to build a computer and the person giving the seminar goes into detail about electronics and electrical theory. Talks about ohms, resistors, capacitors, transistors, how a microprocessor works, machine code, history of computers, etc. Now do you really need to know all of that information if all you and everyone else wants to do is build a computer like the person on stage has done? | |
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08-08-2009, 02:08 PM
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You yourself have not found that middle ground - Although as you have noticed, if you mull the dilemma around enough, you reach certain conclusions. Each chink in the armor allows clear insights to come through. I see a picture of a pier, and two children - a boy and girl. They are 5-6 years old and they sit on a lake, fishing. They just recently met, the little boy hooks the worms, as the girl brings them peanut butter sandwiches - they sit and play, sometimes all day - They are utterly themselves, they are buddies - There is no set duration given to this relationship - nor are there pre-written laws, ideas, or concepts, restrictions - other than joy - Oh, how you enjoy your days on that lake, and as you grow up, you will always look to those memories - and if as an adult you struggle with beliefs and difficulties, well - you can look to those days on the lake and find the truth - as hidden pearls. On a deeper level, you have been a woman more times than you can count - as a man now, you get to experience these ideals from a fresh perspective, and in a sojourn, time-wise now, that is open to listen. Yet you carry an uneasiness within you, as you yourself come to grips with your message and its authenticity (strongly). You, now, are looking for your buddy on that lake you see, your counterpart, as your ideas are reflected through that basic ideal. Any contract implies restrictions, and it is in your nature- innately, as creatures, to resent that which seeks to take away any freedom. (In the context of a species divided) You are both man and woman, at once ! There is no division - other than your present expression in creature-hood- one is dominant, and one recessive. Allowing yourself full creativity as a human now, means opening to both -and not denying one over the other. Lastly, and for you personally - Here we see a fleshing out, multi-dimentionally, the many facets of a personality - in a largely constructive way - whereas previously used against the self - causing difficulties, you have now another go at it, so to speak. Be ever watchful to remain focused - ! Best Regards on your journey - May you find that pier again, by the lake. Last edited by MarcusGreene; 08-08-2009 at 04:51 PM. | |
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08-08-2009, 08:33 PM
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If we were building computer, you wouldn't need all that stuff. But we're not playing around with computers. We're playing around with people. They are two very different things. You can't just be given lines or even in-field mindsets alone without some background as to their purpose. |
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08-08-2009, 10:31 PM
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I understand that there will always be a need for some theoretical padding, to build a foundation of knowledge in the people learning, but I don't believe it needs to go into depth. Just go through a few "why I do this" points after every point. It's isn't as if the person on stage should have to convince the audience that what they do give them results the audience is looking for. Especially when the person has the results they all want. It could be broken down into "this is my life style" the audience all want to replicate my lifestyle "this is what I do and how I think to generate this life style" do this and think like this and you will generate results similar to mine. A small section on theory asking the "why questions" just so everyone "gets it" then onto question time. It's like an essay, some educational facilities will penalise people for making their work too long. They just want high quality information that answers the essay topic. Also it's like ebooks. Have you ever noticed how it is that whenever you read an ebook sales page they always seem to highlight the number of pages like "290 pages of xyz", like it's a good thing . Then read through the ebook to see that they could of easily condensed it into something smaller, more potent, of higher quality, easier to read and quicker to read through. | |
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08-08-2009, 10:41 PM
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Johnny said, "and the approximately 6 hours of the seminar are about as brief as I could possibly have made them." So he tried to be as concise as possible with his message. I don't see what the issue is. 6 hours isn't a long time. |
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08-08-2009, 11:14 PM
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I'm not sure how to reply to that. I see what you mean in that people put their own personal twist on things that affect their teachings (like examples). I guess it's just a conflict of opinions, I believe that could be refined a bit more "in my opinion". Like removing impurities from gold so that it is a higher standard of gold. |
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08-09-2009, 01:19 AM
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I don't understand the media reaction to PUAism - it's essentially positive thinking combined with genetics and psychology. There's such a knee-jerk need to protect women from being feeling like they've been emotionally abused. It's as if the overly sensitive nice guys are going to abandon every preconception of respect for women because they've seen a diagram that breaks down attraction, and become hedonistic narcissists that couldn't care less about another person's emotional wellbeing. I love women - but you do have to shun them a little before they take you seriously ^^ |
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08-09-2009, 03:38 AM
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But we all have defects, no one is like legend dictates. And believe me, I have met people others normally watch on TV. I have learned that when you want a leader, you see the result of his actions, not his words. I do not intend to put him down, but no living person is a legend. Ther are moments when people are tempted to do exactly the opposite of what they say. | |
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08-09-2009, 06:08 PM
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08-12-2009, 10:39 PM
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He probably understands that our society seeks out quick fixes all the time, yet he's STILL willing to do a long drawn out seminar. That's pretty good on his part, when he could probably charge the same for a lot less, and get a lot more people coming. While gold at it's purest is valuable, it is almost worthless in it's uses, as it is to soft and to malleable. Mix some harder " impurities" into it, and while the gold might have less value, it will last much longer. That is unless you want to put your "gold" away and never touch it, hoping that one day it will be worth more then you put into it. Last edited by jamesbiz; 08-12-2009 at 10:43 PM. | |
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08-13-2009, 03:28 AM
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08-13-2009, 11:11 AM
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I thought I was the only one that spotted that. Everyone calls MJ a legend but can you imagine the uproar if they called him a god | |
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08-13-2009, 12:05 PM
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08-13-2009, 12:11 PM
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 . This thread made me watch his video, and what he is saying sounds interesting, so I appreciate the thread. I was just pointing something out is all.
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08-13-2009, 09:45 PM
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When I describe people as gods or goddesses it's a figure of speech. When I worked for Ted Kennedy, I asked a fellow intern how it's possible for him to win every campaign without actually running (he has a campaign office that does everything for him). He said "well it's simple really." I said "well?" He sighed, leaned back and said "the man's a god." I was tickled and ever since then I've used that half jokingly. |
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08-14-2009, 01:42 PM
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08-23-2009, 04:45 PM
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Just adding my view to the mix.. No man is a god, and there's no need for any pedestal nonsense either; um, I don't think there's any question of that, anyhow.. What was really cool, I think, is the message he puts out; of being genuinely helpful and giving and making other people feel good about themselves, and doing that in a most authentic and genuine way; that all pays dividends, and the energy comes back to you. It's not a message that's unique to Johnny, it's a universal principle, though he has his own unique way of expressing this principle, and also getting you to see past certain social constructs, or norms, that don't really help anyone. I also (believe I) 'got' that it's not just about picking up or getting women (ugh, 'get' is such an ugly word). It's more of an energetic, internal change or shift; and the actual form of your success may look quite different to the actual form of someone else's success. Lastly, I thought Johnny had a really cool energy about him, and that comes across in the videos; so, it's not just what he says, but who he is (probably with having lived these principles) that comes through. Okay, for the sake of cosmic balance, I now need to say something bad about the videos; okay, here goes.. Video production could have been better (esp. in the last 2 videos), and oh yeah, Violet had too many clothes on!  Thanks for making the videos Johnny, and thanks for sharing your message with the world. |
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08-24-2009, 01:00 PM
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I agree with a lot of the stuff he posts around here, and I generally subscribe to his philosophy on dating/sex. I enjoy reading his posts because they are very strong and confident. So I give him props. I watched a vid of him, however, and I did not get that same vibe from the vid at all. He's a much more powerful writer than he is a speaker (if only he'd stop with the highlighting and bolding and adding color to his posts lol) IMO. And the skeptic side of me just wonders, by the way his site is laid out, if a big part of it is just marketing himself well. You take a pic of yourself with a couple of women on your arm, and suddenly you're a guru. See what I'm saying? :P But I do enjoy his posts very much so and I think he seems like a nice guy. But a part of me is always skeptical. Just a gut feeling I guess. |
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