Intense Pain

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

Seeker5 - I'm so glad you have received so much support on this thread

Hi Wordkeeper Thanks for your support and your words .

You've written some interesting things, I'm going to let it keep brooding in my mind for now.

[Honeywith4bees]

I can see exactly what WordKeeper is saying. Sometime, long ago as a child, you were wounded in some way and therefore you developed a defense mechanism to protect you from being further wounded. Now as an adult, the defense mechanism (isolating and/or distracting yourself) is no longer necessary (but deeply entrenched nonetheless). You need to find a way to let go of this defense mechanism and develop a better technique for releasing stress. Now as an adult, sometimes things happen that restimulate the psychological distress, and it manifests itself as physical pain, because for whatever reason, you can not, or choose to not remember whatever childhood incident this triggered. Like Angela said in another thread, its the ghost of your old pain resurfacing. Or as Eastern practitioners might say, its trapped Chi.

The question is, how to release the Chi.

So now the Cloud is suggesting that you simply stop associating with your mind. Stop believing that the emotions and the actions are intertwined, which seems to not make sense. But actually, meditation is all about learning to still the mind. In Yoga, we practice paying attention to only our body, and not our thoughts, because its recognized that our thoughts, our minds, (our emotions), are the only things that can cause us pain.

Am I right Cloud, that this is what you mean by this?

I think that stuff like meditation, Yoga, acupuncture, visualizations etc are all good methods for releasing the pain.

I personally, don't think that it can work to just stop paying attention to the feelings because it seems to be to much like repression. It's like the balloon animal that Circus clowns make. If you squeeze one end hard enough, you can flatten it out, but if you look at the other end? All the air has just gone somewhere else.

Does that make sense?

[The Cloud]

Originally Posted by Honeywith4bees

So now the Cloud is suggesting that you simply stop associating with your mind. Stop believing that the emotions and the actions are intertwined, which seems to not make sense. But actually, meditation is all about learning to still the mind. In Yoga, we practice paying attention to only our body, and not our thoughts, because its recognized that our thoughts, our minds, (our emotions), are the only things that can cause us pain.

Am I right Cloud, that this is what you mean by this?

It sounds right to me. It's funny how people will keep using a broken system to solve the problems created by the system. Thoughts and emotions are the problem, so the solution must be more thoughts and emotions. But really, to solve the problems created by the old system, a new system is necessary. That is the bulk of what I'm trying to say.

[WordKeeper]

Thank you Honey with 4 Bees, that is what I was trying to say. You also helped give me some insight to what The Cloud is meaning.

I have had a hard time gleaning meaning out of your postings here The Cloud. Part of it is an edge or tone that I perceive as harsh. It comes across as lacking in empathy. I suspect that is not how it is intended.

[The Cloud]

Originally Posted by WordKeeper

I have had a hard time gleaning meaning out of your postings here The Cloud. Part of it is an edge or tone that I perceive as harsh. It comes across as lacking in empathy. I suspect that is not how it is intended.

Empathy is exactly what I'm trying to avoid. That would be empowering to thoughts and feelings, and that is not the message I'm trying to convey. My harshness is my identification with feeling argumentative with seeker5, and is not how I wanted to come across. I'm still haven't realized mastery of myself, and can only hold myself responsible for my argumentative tone. That's not what I intended. Learn from my folly .

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by The Cloud

My harshness is my identification with feeling argumentative with seeker5, and is not how I wanted to come across.

Oh? I didn't perceive your harshness at all.

I'm still not understanding the benefit of your view on this - it seems like a disempowering view of the situation. It seems like pretending there is no problem and just being - like trying to use subjective reality to make the problem go away.

Maybe I'm not understanding because I'm in the middle of this situation and that I feel my current view of the situation has been leading to a huge number of really big breakthrough in my situation and I've done things have have been amazing to me. Thus I may be attached to my current view. I dunno, but I'm still not really understanding your view.

I'm still haven't realized mastery of myself, and can only hold myself responsible for my argumentative tone. That's not what I intended. Learn from my folly .

S'ok

Come to think of it, I've been a little argumentative toward you too, a little frustrated with your posts because I'm not understanding you nor appreciating where you're coming from. Sorry .

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by The Cloud

Thoughts and emotions are the problem, so the solution must be more thoughts and emotions. But really, to solve the problems created by the old system, a new system is necessary

See, my old system was to ignore the problem, and hope it goes away. I'd ignore my emotions, ignore thinking about it, and distract myself. Now that I'm acknowledging the problems, and feeling my emotions, recognizing it, and thinking about what it means, what the message is, thinking about what's going on inside of me. I'm solving the situation and having a mind-blowing great time at it and getting a lot of real, concrete improvement in my emotions, in my actions, and in transcending my fears...so far this past week. So, I'm finding a lot better result this new system of thinking about it and feeling about it.

[The Cloud]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Come to think of it, I've been a little argumentative toward you too, a little frustrated with your posts because I'm not understanding you nor appreciating where you're coming from. Sorry .

It's sometimes hard for me to come to terms with the fact that there was a time, not long ago at all, when I would have been completely baffled by the things that currently seem so obvious, and that sometimes people aren't ready to understand certain things no matter how eloquently I shove it down their throats. Thanks for the reminder that I'm no less willfully ignorant than any of the people I'm trying to stuff.

[EFT4Dating]

Hi Seeker5,

In conjunction with Byron Katie stuff, I recommend that you learn the basic emotional freedom technique (EFT) sequence. You can go on youtube and there will be lots of videos explaining how to do that.

With EFT, you use your finger tips to gently tap on pressure points throughout your body. See an illustration of pressure pts, Dating is easy! Attract the person of your Dreams with Emotional Freedom Technique!

When you are tapping, say the affirmation "EVEN THOUGH I AM 'X', I ACCEPT MYSELF DEEPLY AND PROFOUNDLY" For your situaton, it would be "Even though I am feeling deep emotional pain, I am accept myself deeply and profoundly"

Instructions
1) Rate yourself emotional stress level on a scale from 0-10, 0 is no stress, 10 is max stress. What is your stress level before tapping?
2) Tap on the pressure points and say affirmation in conjunction
3) After tapping, rate your emotional stress level. What is your stress level after tapping?
4) Tap several rounds to see if you can get it to 0. If you are a beginner, sometimes getting to 0 may be challenging. I recommend finding a skilled EFT practitioner. Many EFT practitioners will do sessions over the phone. I have a post on identify a skilled EFT practitioner EFT and Dating
5) When you are tapping, there are usually thoughts that pop out. Some may be past experiences or beliefs you have in life. If you would post your thoughts of what came up, I could respond and help you in later posts. If it is too personal, then feel free to email and I'll help you as best as I can.

The benefits of EFT:
1) Reduce your emotional stress level relating to your relationship
2) Reduce your stress associated with school. I understand you are in Bschool. I have been there and it can get stressful with tests, team projects, job interviews. EFT is applicable for all those areas.
3) Reduce physical pain. Physical pain is often a result of unresolved emotional pain.

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