Voluntary slavery

[Jthorn]

Hello,

there is an issue that's been boggling my mind and I 've been trying to find an answer. The concept of voluntary sex slavery fascinates me and I 'm struggling to find reasons why someone shouldn't go down that path. If you 're not sure what I mean by that, I 'm talking about bdsm at its most extreme. Prostitution may come to mind and although there *are* people who voluntarily pursue that, that's not the only. There are persons who wish to give up all their rights to permanently serve another person or persons. As a maid, as their whore, as their toilet, as their pet. The content and role varies but the essence remains the same. It may be argued that these are persons with low self-esteem; but I know otherwise. I know persons who are very capable, good looking and intelligent and know it, yet can't seem to resist the temptation. If you argue that they 're not content with their current life, you 'd be right; and frankly, how can you possibly compare a living sexual fantasy, a life of constant arousal, to anything else? Every other thrill, including that of personal growth, simply pales in comparison. And anything I try to find on overcoming such a temptation is religious nonsense. I 'd very much appreciate it if someone could offer a different perspective.

[RRR]

Try it for 30 days.

The concept of voluntary sex slavery fascinates me and I 'm struggling to find reasons why someone shouldn't go down that path.

Why are you looking for reasons not to? Do you have reasons to? Its hard to be reasonable without direct experience to base your predictions on. Look up the results of such experiences from BDSM slaves or try it yourself. You don't need anyones permission to do whatever you want.

[Jthorn]

I 'm trying to form a clear objective view. Because I know that sometimes self-destructive behavior can appear very appealing; take drugs or alcohol for example, an escape into ecstasy. Of course I try to talk with people into it, but I cannot trust that their view is objective; and I wouldn't even trust myself trying it. The 30 days would probably lead to permanence and I do believe that such a lifestyle is happy and exciting in many ways; but if you think about it, that doesn't say much because many do, until you try something different. The question I 'm trying to get around is, is this it? Is there no more to life than this?

[Brutha]

I 'm trying to form a clear objective view.

That will be very hard. You can search a lot of information but in the end you will have to make a subjective decision and bear the responsibility for that decision even if the whole point is to live a life without responsibility because you are able to give all your responsibility to someone else.

It's existential freedom, you will always bear the responsibility. On the other hand you are free to do whatever you want.

But then, did you expect any different answer when you had chosen to post here?
As you have chosen to post here you also have some kind of responsibility for getting this kind of answer

[Starman]

Originally Posted by Jthorn

Hello,

there is an issue that's been boggling my mind and I 've been trying to find an answer. The concept of voluntary sex slavery fascinates me and I 'm struggling to find reasons why someone shouldn't go down that path. If you 're not sure what I mean by that, I 'm talking about bdsm at its most extreme. Prostitution may come to mind and although there *are* people who voluntarily pursue that, that's not the only. There are persons who wish to give up all their rights to permanently serve another person or persons. As a maid, as their whore, as their toilet, as their pet. The content and role varies but the essence remains the same. It may be argued that these are persons with low self-esteem; but I know otherwise. I know persons who are very capable, good looking and intelligent and know it, yet can't seem to resist the temptation. If you argue that they 're not content with their current life, you 'd be right; and frankly, how can you possibly compare a living sexual fantasy, a life of constant arousal, to anything else? Every other thrill, including that of personal growth, simply pales in comparison. And anything I try to find on overcoming such a temptation is religious nonsense. I 'd very much appreciate it if someone could offer a different perspective.

My old church was my slave-owner. It took a long time for me to see the emotional leash they had me on. Not until they began to jerk it did I realize it was there, and all the other aspects of my life that was being dictated to me.

They should have thought twice before they jerked my chain, because now I'm a free man. You should see how hard they're trying to get me back on it; they're being sickingly sweet. And now I understand why - what it is they lost, and what I gained.

Everyone who goes to church needs to read Steve's 10 reasons why organized religion may be bad for you. I'll be the first to say that not all of Steve's ideas are wise, or even correct, but that article is a good checklist for checking whether your church is your church, or your slave-owner. The article isn't gospel, but definately something you should at least think about.

As far as the solution you seek, I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I'm looking for the same thing. Life has certainly locked us out of the cabnet within another person's brain where these crazy conclusions are made, that send someone off seeking the Wizzard of Oz, rather than sticking to real life. The problem has a lot to do with the fact that for some people, at that place in the brain where things are "seen", the false promises and the real both look just as valid (real). Some can tell them appart, and some can't.

[Eric Roosevelt]

I think there's a biologically based tendency for some people to want to go into that sort of submissive state, but when you start calling yourself a "slave", you may want to examine the situation a little bit. Not least, you need to make sure that your "slave owner" is really a trustworthy person, in the truest sense of the word.

Originally Posted by Jthorn

If you argue that they 're not content with their current life, you 'd be right; and frankly, how can you possibly compare a living sexual fantasy, a life of constant arousal, to anything else? Every other thrill, including that of personal growth, simply pales in comparison.

I think you can strive for personal growth in every aspect of life, even if it's a slave-life.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Jthorn

Hello,

there is an issue that's been boggling my mind and I 've been trying to find an answer. The concept of voluntary sex slavery fascinates me and I 'm struggling to find reasons why someone shouldn't go down that path. If you 're not sure what I mean by that, I 'm talking about bdsm at its most extreme. Prostitution may come to mind and although there *are* people who voluntarily pursue that, that's not the only. There are persons who wish to give up all their rights to permanently serve another person or persons. As a maid, as their whore, as their toilet, as their pet. The content and role varies but the essence remains the same. It may be argued that these are persons with low self-esteem; but I know otherwise. I know persons who are very capable, good looking and intelligent and know it, yet can't seem to resist the temptation. If you argue that they 're not content with their current life, you 'd be right; and frankly, how can you possibly compare a living sexual fantasy, a life of constant arousal, to anything else? Every other thrill, including that of personal growth, simply pales in comparison. And anything I try to find on overcoming such a temptation is religious nonsense. I 'd very much appreciate it if someone could offer a different perspective.

there are those who find happiness in doing things like these. That's the way they are psychologically.

the factors will be very hard to determine, because such topic isn't really open to the general public.

from my experience, it's the extreme feeling of dominating someone (controlled environment) at the same time being controlled, depending on your play positions.

It's an ego boosting perversion, but I'll leave it to you to try. Warning, reality is different from fantasy and it could turn ugly.

[ssandra]

Hi,

Reasons why you shouldn't include:

* Because you have a low self esteem
* Because you don't want to take responsibility for your life / choices
* If you are pressured into it
* If you don't feel with whole your body, mind and soul that this is natural for you
* etc.

Reasons why you should:

* Because it can make you whole (if it is what you feel in your hearth, body and soul)
* Because it gives a great kick
* Because it can lead to great self examination and personal growth
* Because the level of trust between the 2 people is intense!
* If you are strong enough, self secure enough to handle it.

Basically like with everything else in life, if it feels good and you are doing it for the right reasons, please go ahead, find somebody you trust with you life and soul and Enjoy!

If you are doing it for the wrong reasons or with someone you don't really trust... run away from it as fast and hard as you can and get some help working on your issues.

Enough has been written online about the subject but here are a few pointers:

Remember that you can ALWAYS stop it, whenever you want. Maybe you will have to bare the consequences like a broken relationship, but it is still an option. There is always a way back!!!

Never involve yourself with somebody who makes themselves the only source of information.

Always have at least 1 person who is not directly involved in the relationship (like a good friend) who you can talk to.

Run very hard and very fast away from any "Master" who's first rule is not that you have to take good care of "His" property (=you).

Run even harder and faster from somebody who makes you break contact with family and/or friends, no matter what the reasons!

If you (or anybody else for that matter) has any more questions, feel free to PM me or reply on this subject.

Enjoy!

[Jthorn]

Hey,

thanks for you answers, I really appreciate them.

The thing is, right now I 'd be ready to swear that this is what I want the most in life. My whole mind would agree, except for the little corner that made this post and keeps pointing out to me that people do often deceive themselves as to what they want.

What are the wrong reasons really? Although the recommendations of building trust and not cutting oneself from the world are sensible, the ultimate fantasy *is* to do just that. Therefore the question becomes, where to set the limits? Why not keep living as I am in that case?

If this is what makes me whole, isn't that a psychological issue? The bdsm world is the only that rewards such commitment. Among vanilla people, the nice romantic guys and girls, those who would do anything for the other person, get shot down in flames. It is only after they start caring about themselves more that they grow attractive.
Also, if I do it to make me whole and for the kick and if that's what I want with body, heart and soul, doesn't it fall under obsession, addiction, and lust?

When I pose myself these questions I conclude that I 'm simply overthinking and needlessly pressuring myself to keep living a life I don't want to, while I could finally find peace and happiness by becoming a slave.
But it seems I 'm not the only one thinking too much. The following quote by Steve expresses my thoughts very nicely:

Even if we extend happiness into the realm of fulfillment or flourishing, it’s still a cop-out. By giving such an answer to the question of how to live, all we’re doing is tossing the question over to our emotional intelligence. We’re saying that the answer to how to live is whatever our emotions say is the answer. The assumption is that if we feel fulfilled, that we must be living optimally. I see no logical reason this answer would be correct, given what I know about how emotions work. Not good enough.

For these reasons I rejected any answers that suggested the optimal manner of living was to be found in some kind of emotional state or feeling. I can consciously chose to feel whatever I want just by changing my focus. There isn’t any particular course of action that will induce a feeling in me I can’t achieve just by directing my imagination. I can self-emote.

In the past, I 've been very happy without living as a slave. Right now, I 'm not happy and you could argue that this is why I 'm in such turmoil and trying to answer this question. You could argue that I 'm not happy because it is my choice. That I will be happy as a slave, because I choose so. See where I 'm getting at?

[ssandra]

Hi,

If you are not sure, why go all the way?

There are a million and one in-betweens between being a (24/7) slave and using a blindfold in the bedroom...

Try being a slave for the weekend. For 1 day even... give yourself some rest after and decide if it is really for you. Then test for another weekend, or maybe a week.

Take your time. Nothing happens if you do not decide to choose right away and if somebody is trying to make you, they are not the right person.

About the fact that it is the thrill of not having to face the world and cutting yourself off... if that is your thrill in it, maybe you do need to re-examine why you feel like this now...

The thrill should be to know that in theory they could cut you off from family and friends, but have trust so great that they will do whatever is best for you!

Are you unhappy because you have found the person you want to be slave to, or is it still just a fantasy?

Have you ever been in this situation before, or something similar?

It has been said before, and it is true.. reality and fantasy are not the same. What you may want in fantasy might prove to much in reality. That just means that you should keep looking, and examining what you do want, and in the mean time enjoy yourself with your fantasies.

I wish you all the luck, I know how difficult these choices can be.

Sandra

[ming]

If you are male, rich and are in London I could be your dominatrix.