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[Playlife]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

I'm far too lazy for that just now , but that is a very good way to manage without resorting to hormonal pills.

But don't you have to swallow that pill every day anyway? It doesn't seem those puters take any more time than Pill.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

But don't you have to swallow that pill every day anyway? It doesn't seem those puters take any more time than Pill.

That's true, you got me there! I guess that what I'm already doing is a habit and this would require forming a new...ah, hell, I have no excuse .

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

I just love the varied directions this thread has taken. Hahaha.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

No, wait, I came up with an excuse. If you are using a natural planning method you have to avoid sexy time on certain days...no thanks

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

No, wait, I came up with an excuse. If you are using a natural planning method you have to avoid sexy time on certain days...no thanks

Can have sexy time without intercourse too.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

Can have sexy time without intercourse too.

Touchee. You think of everything

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

Touchee. You think of everything

haha too funny.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Playlife

There are "computers" that measure your body temp or something else and then tell you whether your fertile or not. I hear they're very reliable too - as long as you are diligent about them.

Really, they're reliable? Hmm... A family member of mine got her two kids this way (it was about hormones, not body temp). She was diligent about it, but she got a little cold and this was enough to make this thing be wrong....

I tried the UID twice, unfortunately my body couldn't cope with it either.

All this is not a reason to poison yourself with the pill if it's obvious that you're better off without it.

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Really, they're reliable? Hmm... A family member of mine got her two kids this way (it was about hormones, not body temp). She was diligent about it, but she got a little cold and this was enough to make this thing be wrong....

Really? I wouldn't know, so far I haven't had anything to do with those devices so I can only report what I've heard... Gotta count days, then, heh.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Really, they're reliable? Hmm... A family member of mine got her two kids this way (it was about hormones, not body temp). She was diligent about it, but she got a little cold and this was enough to make this thing be wrong....

I tried the UID twice, unfortunately my body couldn't cope with it either.

All this is not a reason to poison yourself with the pill if it's obvious that you're better off without it.

And I know people that have gotten pregnant several times while on the pill, etc!

But I am even thinking about just going off it all together, other method or no. I know how that sounds and of course I wouldn't do it without discussing it with bf. We definitely want kids and we've been without bc in the past, but you never know what will happen in that area anyway. I don't know, but I'm going to discuss it with him tonight.

Rose, did you have a hormonal IUD or non-hormonal? I've heard some really good and some really bad...just like with all other forms!

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

No, wait, I came up with an excuse. If you are using a natural planning method you have to avoid sexy time on certain days...no thanks

Or on these (few) certain days you can have sexy time with a condom for a change...

There are ways to put on a condom that can be quite sexy too

This thread is definitely going in all kinds of directions

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Or on these (few) certain days you can have sexy time with a condom for a change...

There are ways to put on a condom that can be quite sexy too

This thread is definitely going in all kinds of directions

Yeah, I am a little bit embarrassed, but what the hell .

I enjoy the sexin, but he's my first and only so it's been a learning process to say the least. I feel strange about some things still even though I have left behind my conservative upbringing. For me some ingrained thoughts about it are hard to break. I guess that's why I haven't thought of all of these alternatives you all are listing. Duh!

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

But I am even thinking about just going off it all together, other method or no. I know how that sounds and of course I wouldn't do it without discussing it with bf. We definitely want kids and we've been without bc in the past, but you never know what will happen in that area anyway. I don't know, but I'm going to discuss it with him tonight.

What do you mean with this? Sounds somewhat irresponsible to me. Even though you might want to have children, it takes planning and should be deliberate. And from what I've gathered, you (two) don't seem to be at the stage where you should have children.

Nothing personal! Not trying to slam you here of course. Just my observations.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

What do you mean with this? Sounds somewhat irresponsible to me. Even though you might want to have children, it takes planning and should be deliberate. And from what I've gathered, you (two) don't seem to be at the stage where you should have children.

Nothing personal! Not trying to slam you here of course. Just my observations.

You may be right about all of that. I don't take any offense. In both of our defense we would give our lives fully to a child were we to have one. I know that regardless of if we even stay together. And I know that it would not be a regret on either of our parts no matter what happened afterward between us. I'm not sure that I can really prove that to you. That doesn't solve all of our issues, but I've not met one person who was perfectly prepared to have children either. I really do understand and see your point though. I won't do anything rash, I promise .

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Playlife

Gotta count days, then, heh.

Provided your cycle is regular, which often is not the case

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

And I know people that have gotten pregnant several times while on the pill, etc!

HA!!! Well then NOW you really have no excuse anymore!

But I am even thinking about just going off it all together

I'm glad to hear that because, really, it could be an immediate reason for your feeling depressed. Just be careful, huh?

Rose, did you have a hormonal IUD or non-hormonal? I've heard some really good and some really bad...just like with all other forms!

I had a non-hormonal both times. It was a catastrophe for me, but I don't want to scare you. My gynecologist said it's because I've gotten an operation there before. Other women swear it's no biggie for them. My mother never had any problems with it.

I don't know. Talk about it with your bf and your gynecologist and try other things out

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Provided your cycle is regular, which often is not the case

Only when I'm on the pill. Ironically, long before I'd given up my True Love Waits mantra () I was on the pill because I had irregular cycles.

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

I had a non-hormonal both times. It was a catastrophe for me, but I don't want to scare you. My gynecologist said it's because I've gotten an operation there before. Other women swear it's no biggie for them. My mother never had any problems with it.

I don't know. Talk about it with your bf and your gynecologist and try other things out

Oh, I have heard some horror stories about IUD before anyway. I will talk to them for sure.

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

You may be right about all of that. I don't take any offense. In both of our defense we would give our lives fully to a child were we to have one. I know that regardless of if we even stay together. And I know that it would not be a regret on either of our parts no matter what happened afterward between us. I'm not sure that I can really prove that to you. That doesn't solve all of our issues, but I've not met one person who was perfectly prepared to have children either. I really do understand and see your point though. I won't do anything rash, I promise .

Well, from what I've read, you are more prepared to have children than many other people.(you having worked with children a lot before).

But what I really mean is that having babies should be done deliberately - not that you discover one day that you're pregnant. Although it can be happy news too. But I just feel that it is better for everyone involved when yourself, your partner, your relationship, environment, etc. is already suited to having the child, and the only missing piece is the child her/himself.

Of course, this is just my very humble opinion. One that probably is invalid anyway since I'm not into having children.

[Playlife]

Another alternative to pills and IUDs and whatnot would be to learn Taoist non-ejaculatory/trans-orgasmic lovemaking practices. I'm personally not fully convinced how reliable they are, though. I guess the more experienced couple, the more reliable it would be.

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

In both of our defense we would give our lives fully to a child were we to have one.

Have we come full circle back to the original topic?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

Have we come full circle back to the original topic?

Maybe so.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

But what I really mean is that having babies should be done deliberately - not that you discover one day that you're pregnant. Although it can be happy news too. But I just feel that it is better for everyone involved when yourself, your partner, your relationship, environment, etc. is already suited to having the child, and the only missing piece is the child her/himself.

Your opinion is certainly valid and I think it's a wise one. On the one hand I agree, and on the other I feel that if you know you want kids and are financially capable of caring for them, then exact timing is probably not necessary. But it's really something to think about. For me I have no question I am ready, and for him he goes between wanting a child now and wanting to be set in a career. For me giving lots of material things is nowhere near the top of the list, but he wishes to be able to provide all things he didn't have as a child.

[Playlife]

But why do you want to have a child in the first place?

And - as I hinted above - when you have a child, then you can put yourself first even less so than currently.