Pro-choice

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

I couldn't help someone kill themself. I would end up feeling guilty. Perhaps that is selfish, because I don't mind if people do it. I am not even 100% sure I mind if other people help them. I just know that I could not do it. I have felt like killing myself before. I'm kinda glad there was no one around who said let me help you, because I ended up changing my mind. If they'd helped me too quickly, I might not have had the chance.

Angela, say 10 Hail Mary's and call me in the morning. We'll asses your punishment. Perhaps you could do a little purgatory and be just fine.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by {aspiring_to_clarity}

Angela, say 10 Hail Mary's and call me in the morning. We'll asses your punishment. Perhaps you could do a little purgatory and be just fine.

Thanks, Aspiring! But Danger Man already took care of my punishment. I feel born again.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Ah, that's a great feeling isn't it? I'm glad he has the best interest of your eternal soul in mind .

[BeyondBewildered]

Thanks for the replies. I don't need to provide evidence that the pill prevents ovulation and fertilization. It does. I stated that the very first time I brought it up. But it also prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg. There is no pill or shot that guarantees to prevent ovulation or fertilization 100% of the time. That is why even the site Matthew Shea brought up talks about the lining being thinned so that implantation cannot take place. This mean fertilization can occur. It doesn't happen every month, but it happens. If you believe human life begins at conception, then you have probably terminated a human life at least once by using hormonal birth control. It's up to the prolifers to decide if that's ok with them; it's fine with me. I only wish that fact was clearly explained to them, but it's usually not.

I've talked to around 7 doctors about this (I know, I know, a website would be a much more reliable source.) They aren't really big on giving you the nitty gritty unless you already know the specifics. The clearest I've ever seen it explained was in the little pamplet that comes with the pills. The reason I'm positive on this is because I wanted birth control that completely prevented fertilization in the first place. Unfortunately, it doesn't exist. If you can find one that does, but all means, let me know the brand. And that doesn't address the issue of IUDs. I am unable to take the pill, because the pill gave me high blood pressure. IUDs are the only option left exclusively to me, and I'm 100% positive that they are "hostile" to implanting embryos. Crank up the flames, Satan, here I come.

On euthanasia. My dog just died a painful death last night, after a day of suffering. I should have had him euthanized; there was hope he would get better, but my "gut" told me otherwise. While watching him writhe, I was certain that I would rather be given a shot and have it all ended, but it was too late. Natural isn't all it's cracked up to be. I had an acquaintance whose brother asked him to kill him after a horrible accident. He couldn't do it. An agonizing week later, he was gone. Such a decision weighs heavily on a person. I wish there were legal ways to ensure painless euthanasia ahead of time so the burden didn't fall to loved ones.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by BeyondBewildered

On euthanasia. My dog just died a painful death last night, after a day of suffering.

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. I was speaking of humans. For pets, they're so dependent on our kindness, I believe it makes sense for us to help them alleviate their suffering, if that becomes necessary. (we keep them alive longer than they probably would in the wild, so we need to take responsibility for their quality of life.)

Again, my condolences to you.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

BeyondBewildered, I didn't mean to imply that you were incorrect in your assertion, just that I had not heard the information before. I did not go back and re-read your original post so did not remember that you said that it prevents ovulation and fertilization was correct, but that there was a possibility that fertilization could occur in which case it would prevent implantation. I have no problem believing what you say is true on the word of the doctor's you have spoken to. It makes sense. It would be nice if there was a method which completely prevented ovulation/fertilization 100% of the time (other than barrier methods - which aren't 100% anyway).

I am sorry to hear about your dog. I recently went through a similar experience with two puppies I had. It was very tough. I also lost my grandmother a couple of months ago. She went downhill pretty fast and knew she was dying. One day she wanted the doctor to give her something to end it. The next she said she was glad to still be here as long as she could drink her cool water and feel the breeze. She died about 3 days later. I know she had a tough time, but I also know I could not kill my grandmother. I sat by her bedside while her breathing became slow and labored. I was holding her hand when she took her last breath. I thought maybe I would die. So for me the question of euthenasia became very real and I probably have more conflicted thoughts on it now than before.

[openeyes]

People often change their mind about killing themselves. Yesterday my dad told me a doctor had just spoken with him and let him know that people of his age and condition usually get 100% recovery within a year, so now he’s set on sticking it out.

Because of how easily a person may change his mind, I think it far better that someone opt to go without food and water for a week or two rather than taking poison or a bullet. It’s fairly peaceful, pain fades, and one is afforded time to reconsider.

[BeyondBewildered]

Thanks for the condolences, it was really sad and sudden. I honestly thought he would wake up feeling better this morning. Sorry about your losses as well, aspiring.

It's true that people often change their mind about their wishes. I was just discussing it with my husband, about how if I looked like that, I'd want the power to end it all. But then I thought, maybe it would be worth it to be in pain for one more day, if it meant spending one more day with my family. I can't really draw a line now for my family to use in the future. It sucks; I don't want to be trapped in pain without a way to communicate. My friend's mother just decided to take herself off of life support. She struggled for 4 hours before suffocating. I would rather just be euthanized like a dog.

I'm sorry if my posts about abortion sound hostile. I try really hard to keep it civil, but it's touchy for me. It drives me up a wall when people (especially men) want to grant human rights at conception and chastise those who get abortions for not using birth control properly, when birth control itself can likely cause pregnancies to terminate after conception. It's the dirty little secret of the pill. It was very difficult for me to get my doctor to explain it to me clearly. I didn't understand why the pamplet talked about preventing implantation if it prevented fertilization in the first place. For those interested, taking the pill within the same 3 hours every day keeps you from ovulating most effectively. The combo pills are better in that respect as well. Unfortunatly, stopping ovulation is no longer suitable for me. There are people that feel my IUD is murder and should be made illegal with abortion. That is pretty terrifying from my perspective.

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

It's hard to keep things on an even keel with such a polarizing subject. It's why I deleted one of my earlier posts. I do appreciate the info you've provided on the pill. I am not too concerned with pregnancy since I wouldn't mind having a baby, but for me, believing that life begins at conception, it is naive of me to just accept common knowledge about the pill. I am glad you've prompted me to look into it further. I don't feel guilt for my time taking the pill, but I am going to be a little more hands on in my approach. Thank you.