darkworkers and lightworkers : friends or enemies?

[theknightwhosaysni-NI]

For those here who tend to polarize, I am curious to know what you think about your interactions with the opposite polarity.

I personaly tend to polarize towards the light side. When I interract with people going towards darkworking, I feel I have to protect myself from them. If I give them love and compassion, they "feed" of it to feel better and it rather drains me.
On the opposite, if I clearly show I disagree with them and block their attacks, they lose control and power (which eventually help them grow in their polarity because they'll have to come off stronger next time. That's a paradox : if I fight them, it helps them grow).

I believe darkworkers can and do affect lightworkers in some ways. Although I have never encountered a highly polarized darkworker, I guess there is some kind of struggle between the two polarities. What do you think :

Lightworkers and darkworkers : friends or ennemies?

(I mean, are we going to do some laser sword fight or not )

[Chet]

I tended to be 'light' long before I ever heard the term and my very best friend tends to dark. At least thats how I understand the definitions but the more I think about it the less I believe there really is such a thing.
If light means giving love to all that would include loving yourself, which is what dark is supposed to do, seems like they are really just different ways of looking at the same thing.
We have been best friends for years and there isn't any 'feeding' or 'draining' going on, to the contrary we help each other a lot, getting a broader perspective on things.

[theknightwhosaysni-NI]

So it seems according to your answer that it is absolutely possible the light and dark be friends. That's a different perspective than the one I have and I think it is interesting, thanks.

However, you say you tend to be "light" and your friend tends to be "dark", but in the same time you don't really believe there is such a thing as polarity.
Maybe you are not highly polarized, or maybe as you say love and dark are "really just different ways of looking at the same thing." In this case, it makes sense that love and dark can be friends and not interfere with each other.

In my experience, I am not so comfortable around darkworking people, especially if I feel they try to abuse my compassion to feel more important. That might be due to my internal resistance to darkworking though.

I'd like to know what people who have done the experience of polarization think of their interactions with people from the other polarity.

[Scin]

I am most definitely a darkworker. My girlfriend is the exact opposite.

We get along famously and rarely have fights. I can't even remember the last time our differences of opinion led to an actual argument.

Moreover, we continually improve each other simply by virtue of being near each other all the time. We pick up little things from each other. When I met her, she was extremely shy and very nearly suicidal. Now she is a very strong person and much more outgoing. On my end of things, I am less violently aggressive in my private musings and much kinder to people I dislike. Both changes are directly attributable to the other person's actions.

Dark and Light are opposites, yes, but they work in tandem to make the universe exist in balance. Too much of either causes problems, just as too much creation or too much destruction can ruin the balance.

[Asmoday]

The true nature here is that polarized vs. non-polarized is a much higher distinction than light vs. dark. I reach out to Lightworkers on my more earth-serving goals constantly, and I have NEVER had any of them think I am anything less than on their side.

Again, this is that whole creepy-weird thing I've talked about.

The polarity is a method of reaching the same goal. Just that. One option. Same destination.

The vamping that you feel is actually NOT from Darkworking. The left-hand path is all about self-sufficiency, and has nothing to do, inherently, with being manipulative or subjugating others. The path does not impose the ethical limit that you can't, it just doesn't judge if you do. But causing suffering, trampling others, and bringing about hell on earth are NOT, I repeat NOT required to go deeper along the path.

True Darkworking, at bare minimum, requires you to give for survival purposes.

In any case, Energy Vampires do that because they have lost connection with Self. If that person is a Darkworker, it is likely the result of Dark Fusion, which is just as common as Supernova.

A Darkworker who loves Self would only vamp if survival was directly threatened, as the consequences are just too high, not constantly like this person.

[Asmoday]

Dang. Sorry to rant here, but the point really bothers me.

A long time ago, there was a well-known group of Lightworkers. Some people called them Witches. They made all sorts of assumptions about their beliefs from loose, unconnected incidents, so they could have a scapegoat for all the world's problems. They took these Lightworkers, and burned them alive.

Now, Lightworking has reached much more of a social ascendence, and it seems they are turning around and returning the favor, with all the ignorance and scapegoating to boot.

This is, inherently, wrong.

I follow a path that tells me to look inward and love myself. This does not make me evil. Further, this does not mean I will exploit you, or that I would do anything to harm you. Does it mean I have the option? Sure, but so does everyone. Am I more free to do so than a lightworker? Absolutely. But does that predict I WILL? NO. More importantly, when one loves-self, the urge to dominate and hurt for its own sake actually declines.

The reason this is sad is because there are Darkworker tools that can and should help EVERYONE. Those tools are often resisted or overlooked merely because a bunch of Lightworkers want to blame market failures, terrorism, and the ills of the world on their counterparts.

Think about that for a minute.

[Billy]

What is the epitome of a lightworker? lets say mother theresa. And what would we say to the definition of the penultimate darkworker probably adolf hitler. And where do most of us lie? the gray area.

[Asmoday]

That exactly prooves my point.

The thing about Hitler is he was all about each German sacrificing theirself for the Fatherland, including himself. For cripes sake, he killed himself rather than bring dishonor on the country. This is Light energy that has been corrupted in the form of what I call Supernova. But oh no, lets not take responsibility for the downside of our path, oh no, can't have that. Better yet, lets take a blind, ignorant view and assume anyone who kills people, especially in masse is a Darkworker. Oh, and then we get scapegoats to boot! Nevermind that pages upon pages of Hitler's rhetoic are in full view for everyone to read, and they run absolutely, positively, AGAINST Darkworker principals of self-love.

SELF-SACRIFICE FOR OTHERS, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING SO ABSTRACT AS A COUNTRY OR FAITH IS NOT A DARKWORKER TRAIT.

Finatical devotion to a cause, where ethics are abandoned and self is sacrificed (a suicide bomber, for example) is Lightworker energy gone awry, not Darkworker energy. The sooner you accept truth, the sooner you can change reality (read: HELP these PEOPLE).

Nothing is cut and dried -- this world will never be so simple as the good guys and the bad guys. When you're done feeling all warm-fuzzy and special because of your precious, oh-so-devoted, Lightworker status, people, you might take a minute to revise your view of your path and fix what is causing a lot of suffering.

Yeah. Thanks for playing.

[theknightwhosaysni-NI]

Originally Posted by Scin

I am most definitely a darkworker. My girlfriend is the exact opposite.
Moreover, we continually improve each other simply by virtue of being near each other all the time. We pick up little things from each other.

Thanks for sharing that Scin. Obviously this tends to prove me wrong when I think light and dark can't be friends. I'll have to think about that.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

The true nature here is that polarized vs. non-polarized is a much higher distinction than light vs. dark.

The vamping that you feel is actually NOT from Darkworking.

Yeah you make me think guys. I am changing my opinion a bit and I think what you say here is right. (At least my reason tells me this is right, although I still have some issues with darkworking).
Actually I have read an article written by Steve about How to Stay Conscious While Under Attack.. The "attacks" he describes in the article are quite close to the vamping I feel when I am around negative people, (although I don't feel angry when "attacked", just drained) . My mistake is apparently that I consider low awareness people darkworkers, which they are not. They are just low conscious people. I also realise I have a great part of responsibility in this vamping I feel. So yeah, maybe it is NOT from darkworking.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

I follow a path that tells me to look inward and love myself. This does not make me evil. Further, this does not mean I will exploit you, or that I would do anything to harm you.

I just quote this because it will help me explain my internal resistance to darkworking, why I feel darkworkers do exploit others. (again, this is about me and what I feel, I don't claim to hold the truth) :
I feel that many leaders (politic and economic leaders) in the world are darkworkers, motivated not by personal growth but by money and material things. I also feel that it is in their best interest to keep the population in low states of consciousness and fear so that they don't ask themselves too many questions. Therefore they keep having the same values than the leaders (money, social status etc.), and they don't chose their own belief. They therefore serve the values of the leaders, and have jobs that serve the leaders. Fear keeps them from being themselves fully.

"No self serving individual wants to lose his power".
"Control is necessary for those in power to maintain and increase their power. Most manipulative tactics are designed to make people predictable, and what can be predicted can be controlled. To make people predictable, they must be deprived of knowledge, physical and vital energy, initiative, willpower, and individuality. All impulses that cannot be suppressed are diverted toward serving an agenda, and as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions." (It's a quote from Transcending the Matrix Control System)

I want to stay serious, but probably a part of me tends to believe in some theories of conspiracy. I don't want to fall into David Icke's paranoïa or anything, but you know, things like the bilderberg group where world leaders make sure they protect their common values make me think.

However, leaders are probably not so highly conscious people.

Also, in this forum, Erin once wrote that conscious darkworkers can and DO affect lightworkers.. She didn't mention it was in a negative way though. I just (mis?)interpreted it this way.

I have to think about that again anyway.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Finatical devotion to a cause, where ethics are abandoned and self is sacrificed (a suicide bomber, for example) is Lightworker energy gone awry, not Darkworker energy.

With that I agree 100%. I even said the same thing in another thread. Lightworkers who act on the world and reduce other's people's freewill are often very dangerous. Lightworkers SHOW the light, and let people decide for themselves. But I am going off topic here.

[Asmoday]

Well, to truly respond to some of your points, I'd have to retype entire blog entries, and I'm just not down for that.

However, more argumentation would be a waste of time as well, so, lol, I'd like to return to the topic you started this thread on, theknight.

Okay, when I first meet, or get in the vicinity of, people who are polarized, I feel something like a quick blast from an airconditioner when you walk in from the heat. It is a refreshing feeling. Now, I do feel distinctly different elements when the person is a Lightworker or Darkworker. In the latter case, there is a sort of opening of my root chakra, which may bring on affinity (if I estimate the person's power as less than my own), or competition (if the person is equal to me), or awe (if the person is more powerful). In the former case, my heart chakra hums. Now, at first, when walking the path, I placed a MENTAL LABEL on this, which said "this is bad" and hence, it was a bad, nausia type of sensation. As I grew in the path, this view changed, and the feeling changed. Our interpreation and paradigm influences our gifts, just like it influences reality.

My point is: I absolutely think we're creating a highlander-star wars scenario where there really isn't one. And, subjectively, we certainly have that power.

The Vamping, however, I would like to reiterate: I have gotten the same feeling from corrupted Lightworkers, and corrupted Darkworkers. Its really the sign of Dark Fusion or Supernova, the twisting of both paths. Sadly, in the case of Darkworkers, it is because they got ahold of half-baked materials with no teacher, or engaged in Apprentice Gluttony, which usually happens with a poor or non-existent teacher.

[Billy]

[QUOTE=Asmoday;78196]That exactly prooves my point.

The thing about Hitler is he was all about each German sacrificing theirself for the Fatherland, including himself. For cripes sake, he killed himself rather than bring dishonor on the country. This is Light energy that has been corrupted in the form of what I call Supernova. But oh no, lets not take responsibility for the downside of our path, oh no, can't have that. Better yet, lets take a blind, ignorant view and assume anyone who kills people, especially in masse is a Darkworker. Oh, and then we get scapegoats to boot! Nevermind that pages upon pages of Hitler's rhetoic are in full view for everyone to read, and they run absolutely, positively, AGAINST Darkworker principals of self-love.............end quote]

Well as far as where my point lies is the fact that I'm not really comfortable using the word Light/darkworker, it sounds too cut and dry for my taste and a little bit dungeons and dragons. I see people who would come under both definitions and still contribute to the well being of the whole. Having seen many subtle realities outside of our own where others work and play I wouldn't
ask whether they are light or dark just if they contribute to the evolution of the source.

[Brutha]

The thing about Hitler is he was all about each German sacrificing theirself for the Fatherland, including himself. For cripes sake, he killed himself rather than bring dishonor on the country.

We don't know why Hitlers killed himself. He could also killed himself to escape going through being judged. As the saying goes (I guess it's Nietzsche): When you aren't able to live proundly, die proudly.

Overall I think that etablishing himself as the Führer was darkworker behavior.
Leaving his own party and saying either you accept me back as the boss and do everything I tell you or you lose me, is darkworker behavior.

On the other hand Hitler had moral values he carried out. He put them in writing (Mein Kampf) and did everything to fullfil them.
He sacrificed military ressources (power) in the war to serve his value of killing jews of clearing europe from jews.
While we don't agree with those values he had them and gained energy from them. We call energy that is provieded by doing the thing that one thinks is right lightworker energy.

Hitler got a lot of energy from doing what he thinks is right.

I see people who would come under both definitions and still contribute to the well being of the whole.

Steve wrote that 99% aren't polarized. When you look at most people they aren't polarized.

[Billy]

I can't see how doing what one thinks is right regardless of the consequences
as being lightworker energy, the perpetrator will undoubtably attract negative karma.

[Asmoday]

You have to see both paths in terms of the larger picture, without the corresponding prejudice that has built up over the years.

In reality, its the same energy, one directed inwardly, the other directed outwardly.

People who are polarized and have sufficient skill can over-ride the natural currents, this is precisely what makes polarization in either direction powerful.

The problem is, people are in this angel-devil mindset -- which means, there are a lot of Lightworkers who see their path-walk as all love and compassion, so they refuse to acknowledge the balanced downside that comes with it.

Which, I wouldn't really care, except for the fact that they keep scapegoating the left-hand path with it.

Just as Darkworkers tend to become more isolated as they progress, Lightworkers have a tendency to become more finatical. In fact, not being able to accept corruption of the energy, and who it manifested through, is a form of finaticism itself.

I'm just amazed that so many people feel they can talk about Darkworking with authority, without ever having walked the path. And I'm sorry, but being a bit of a klepto, or an alcoholic, or a thug, or a crack-head or whatever for a chunk of your life no more makes you a Darkworker than your average blood-drive volunteer is guaranteed to be a Lightworker. And, even if you are, you're an amateur and you probably suck at it.

[Brutha]

I can't see how doing what one thinks is right regardless of the consequences as being lightworker energy

It aren't the consequences that distinguish Lightworkers from Darkworkers but their motivations.

[uberinquisitive]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

I'm just amazed that so many people feel they can talk about Darkworking with authority, without ever having walked the path. And I'm sorry, but being a bit of a klepto, or an alcoholic, or a thug, or a crack-head or whatever for a chunk of your life no more makes you a Darkworker than your average blood-drive volunteer is guaranteed to be a Lightworker. And, even if you are, you're an amateur and you probably suck at it.

Amen!

I think a better example of a darkworker is Bill Gates.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by uberinquisitive

Amen!

I think a better example of a darkworker is Bill Gates.

I whole-heartedly agree. It is interesting to research his life and watch as the polarization unfolds. Far more revealing, however, is the development of his Darkworker counterpart, Steve Jobs.

What we really see there, (in the past and the present) between them, are two Dark Princes contesting off to shape the world in their own images.

Absolutely fascinating.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by Brutha

It aren't the consequences that distinguish Lightworkers from Darkworkers but their motivations.

I disagree, I'm sure Osama bin Ladens personal motivations within himself justified his acts of terror but I fail to see how any of these actions can be called lightwork. You'r thinking of the wrong energys.

[Old Soul]

interesting terms, dark workers and light workers, I have never really heard this term before, but i am going to share my beliefs

I do believe there are light spirits and dark spirits, however I also believe they are both of purpose and worth, in a higher* sense

the light exposes the dark, the dark buffets the light... in other words we NEED each other, dark must be exposed under the light, and light will shine brighter once buffeted and battered arround by the dark :-))

it is up to you to discover if you are a lightworker or a dark...

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by Billy

I disagree, I'm sure Osama bin Ladens personal motivations within himself justified his acts of terror but I fail to see how any of these actions can be called lightwork. You'r thinking of the wrong energys.

Here, I'll settle this thusly:

Can a Darkworker do something for self-interested purposes that has extremely positive consequences?

Of course, I bet half the things that you enjoy today were the result of Darkwork, and most charities are Darkworker run and sponsored.

Then, by proxy, a Lightworker can do something for purely other-motivated purposes that has extremely negative consequences.

Hence, the difference IS the INTENT.

Not acknowledging that Lightworking has a corrupted form is a flawless paradigm on the Lightworking path -- as people are not flawless and make mistakes, and people are what walk the path, this view is incongruent with reality. Taking every violent, negative thing and playing hot-potatoe with it and saying All Bad Things are Darkwork is a form of finaticism itself.

I mean, come on people -- at least a third of the cast of the Secret are Darkworkers...wake up! Ascention and Descention are at hand: playtime is over.

You have to remember, most Darkworkers are lower-level on the path, and don't even KNOW they're polarized, let alone which way.

[theknightwhosaysni-NI]

Again, your points make sense Asmoday. Bad/good, evil/good are very subjective labels, while energy flow in a way or another is something objective. Inflow/outflow are not necessarily bad/good.

However, I am still curious to know more about light/dark interraction.
In your opinion, in the grand scheme of things, and in terms of energy flow, how do you guys think higly polarized dark/light people interract?

-Light "flowing out" energy and dark "flowing in" this same energy (like a one way communication) and everybody happy?

Or :

-Light flowing out and dark flowing in independently? (the energy lightworkers outflow does not benefit darkworkers inflow)

Or :

-Inflow and outflow kind of "struggling" for the benefit of the elevation of cousciousness (the opposite struggle obliges light and dark to flow stronger and stronger)

Or :

-I don't know, something else .

[Chet]

My vote is on
"-Inflow and outflow kind of "struggling" for the benefit of the elevation of cousciousness (the opposite struggle obliges light and dark to flow stronger and stronger)"

Close association with a dark type has pushed me to define myself better, and I think that has been a two way street.

[Old Soul]

I believe dark worker is one who has no conscience like sociopaths ones who can not stop destroying peoples lives, simply because they have no conscience to guide them

good read is a book called "The Sociopath Next Door"

[Chet]

Far from true Old Soul, a darkworker can have very high morals and values. Sometimes in best serving themselves they have personal rules, like no lies, no dilberate harm to others, lots of things we consider 'good'. A darkworker who has chosen a personal goal not to lie would be less likely to than a lightworker who might lie 'for a greater good'.

[Maguru]

It is difficult to define light workers and more difficult to define darkworkers. I rather think it depends on the personal experience. I haven't really thought of people in this way before. However, after some thought I find the 'dark' people in my life to be a reflection of self. It is a case of, 'what is it about that person that I don't like about myself?
My reflection usually comes in the form of my reaction and how I am feeling. E.g. if I become angry or upset, I know these are my emotional buttons going off and it is no use killing the messenger. In fact I love these messengers of darkness, they give me back to myself.

[Asmoday]

Yeah, I see you're in the "Heartsong" camp, Old Soul.

Which, rationality and even experiential validity have been thrown out that woman's window. I figure she has social anxiety disorder and freaks out every time something twitches wrong on the news. She's a rank amateur on the psychic level -- probably twiddles crystals because its the only way she can feel special. Sad, really. In any case, the view she espouses is ignorant, hate filled, and I might add, rampant with paranoid-delusional finaticism.

Sometimes, I think I should form a travelling troupe of Darkworkers, just to go around and meet people who think like you to change your mind.

Then I remember I'm a Darkworker, and your opinion has no impact on how I walk the path, and broadening your perspective doesn't define my self-esteem. Hence, I do the calculus of action, and realise at the margin, I could care less.

But, I do agree, that Darkworkers can become that -- I call it Dark Fusion. Usually, its because they have no teacher, and reach for too much at once.

Hat's off to you Chet. I couldn't agree more.

[Chet]

I know few if any darkworkers have an interest in trying to clear up the misuderstanding about themselves ... seems like I am working on becoming a defender of sorts.
A good example occured to me:
Hindu/Buddist/Zen monks and seekers of various sorts (perhaps even Budda was but I don't know enough about him to be sure) are darkworkers. When a person choses to do little but sit and meditate searching for 'enlightenment' this is in fact an act of self love, they seek enlightenment for themselves not others. Now I suppose in cases where they have atained the goal and move on to teach they might be considered light, but if that higher concious level has actually been achived dark or light may not be of any relevance.

[Scin]

I don't think it's necessary to attack Old Soul personally, Asmoday.

As a darkworker and a pagan priest, I must emphasize that darkworkers do indeed have consciences....though, like all human beings, some of us follow them more religiously than others. Darkworkers are not perfect, just as lightworkers are not.

Do not confuse lightworkers and darkworkers with good and evil. The terms are perhaps misnomers; they describe motivational factors rather than behavioral pattern systems. Honestly, I think those terms are a little too theatrical. It would, perhaps, be more accurate to call them something like "extraworkers" and "intraworkers," respectively.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by Scin

I don't think it's necessary to attack Old Soul personally, Asmoday.

I wasn't. I think the error is in the "her" in the paragraph seems to refer to Old Soul.

Clarification: The derogatory comments above are directed towards a person on the internet who calls herself Heartsong, and has written some pretty nasty things about Darkworkers.

My intent was to agree with Old Soul, while putting the over-generalized nature of the view into context through that reference.

Apologies if it seemed like I was attacking.

[rwarlick]

asmoday - no way to contact you on your web site. please clarify text in red below (from your web site):

What mantras?

__________________________________________________ _______________

Here is what you do:

Find an object, or better yet, purchase one new. The Key part is, this object must have NO emotional associations, not from past, present, or future expectations-desires. Ideally, it should be something simple, with no inherent meaning, like a block of wood (this is what I use). For example, a bracelet your ex gave you is a bad idea (because of past association). Likewise, a pleasant vase pre-disposes us towards certain emotions, so it is not well suited to the task at hand.
Sit in a relaxed place, comfortably. Put on music. Get a massage. Stretch. Do whatever it takes to become as relaxed as you can.
Gaze at the object. Repeat the above mantras. Once is all that is necessary, but go nuts if you feel like it, it’s your universe.
Enter a neutral state. Simply contemplate the object, intellectually. Take note of its qualities, notice the details, breath and take it all in.