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Old 04-28-2007, 02:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Excerpt from the book "Dumbing Down our Kids" by educator Charles Sykes.

Rule 1. Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2. The world won't care about your self esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something before you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3. You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone til you earn both.

Rule 4. If you think your teacher is tough - wait til you get a boss!

Rule 5. Flipping hamburgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for hamburger flipping: it was called opportunity.

Rule 6. If you mess up its not your parents fault, so don't whine about your mistakes; learn from them.

Rule 7. Before you were born your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes, and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rainforest from the parasites of your parents generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8. Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but LIFE HAS NOT. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they will give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the SLIGHTEST resemblance to ANYTHING is real life.

Rule 9. Life is not divided into semesters.. You dont get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.

Rule 10. Television is not real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11. Be nice to nerds. Chances are you will end up working for one


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Old 04-28-2007, 02:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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someone who vents his frustration and failures by giving bad advice to kids.. hm.. kool
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someone who vents his frustration and failures by giving bad advice to kids.. hm.. kool
Which of these do you consider to be bad advice...???

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Although some of those advices have a point, I think the first one is quite dangerous:

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1. Life isn't fair --get used to it!
Life isn't fair, but we musn't "get used to it". We must FIGHT against it. If you "get used to it" you will end up being one of those:
  • Big fish: since life is not fair, you are entitled to treat others (family, friends, coworker) unfairly, looking always for your own good.
  • small fish: since life is not fair, it's not unusual that bad things keep happening to you (especially bad things coming from Big Fishes). You cannot change that, since is how the Universe works, so you don't do anything to change your situation.

Not a good advice to children, IMHO.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Don't fight. Fighting creates resistance. Resistance creates opposition. Opposition creates failure.

Just change. Don't fight.
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Don't fight. Fighting creates resistance. Resistance creates opposition. Opposition creates failure.

Just change. Don't fight.
Great thought Akashic_Librarian...

However, instead of saying, "just change" I would say "adapt"... (I like to nitpick... )

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I don't know ... I think one can choose to believe the advice or not and it will come true.

All my life I was told to be realistic and have something to "fall back on" and stop dreaming ... Now I live my dream, and it is by no means "realistic". It did and still does take hard work, but there is so much joy. Your list sounds so joyless.
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I don't know ... I think one can choose to believe the advice or not and it will come true.

All my life I was told to be realistic and have something to "fall back on" and stop dreaming ... Now I live my dream, and it is by no means "realistic". It did and still does take hard work, but there is so much joy. Your list sounds so joyless.
I totally agree with you... that list is not the gospel... but more like salt... only to be used at appropriate times...

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I think it is in peoples social conditioning to believe that life is hard, that way when you "inevitably" fail, you can always say...oh well.. lifes hard right? It was never gonna happen anyway right? Meh whats on TV.
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Old 04-28-2007, 07:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Minus #6 and it is the 10 commandments for a wage slave...
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I think when it says "Get used to it" it actually means "accept it".
As Steve says, "Acceptance means that you perceive reality accurately and consciously acknowledge what you perceive." It doesn't mean you have to be happy with it or agree with it. You just have to know exactly how it is so you can lead your steps where you want.
You're more likely to have a good trip when driving on a bumpy road if you know its cracks and bumps than if you just look somewhere else thinking the road is perfectly ok.

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Nice, all good advice and still relevant for some of us adults with a few words changed...

I don't have a problem with the advice "life isn't fair, get used to it" because I think reading it as a justification for people stepping over one another is a very narrow interpretation. There's many times life just doesn't feel "fair" such as falling in love with someone who just doesn't love you back, training for a marathon and after months of training and two weeks before the race you pull a hamstring muscle, throwing your hat in for a promotion and your co-worker gets promoted instead.

Anyhow, just my thoughts.
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I agree with the general direction of the 'rules' and for some people it might serve as a great 'WAKE UP *BITCHSLAP*' to me its a bit to synical of a world view.
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Sound advice for your average chav next door ...otherwise...for the minority of kids out there...awful.
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I think some of these can dangerously lead to very disempowering beliefs.
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Rule 3. You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone til you earn both.
LOL - was this written in 1990? I have a phone in my car; it's called a cell phone!
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LOL - was this written in 1990? I have a phone in my car; it's called a cell phone!
You should get the new cell phone... you can carry them in your pocket...

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I think some of these can dangerously lead to very disempowering beliefs.
Ya... it could certainly ruin lives...

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Rule 3. You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone til you earn both.

I guess Magic Johnson, Shaq, Leighton Hewitt and plenty of other kids were lucky... they hadn't met Shamou.
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Rule 3. You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone til you earn both.

I guess Magic Johnson, Shaq, Leighton Hewitt and plenty of other kids were lucky... they hadn't met Shamou.
You may be right... however, lots of kids will end up on welfare because they believe that they can follow the paths of Magic Johnson, Shaq, Leighton Hewitt...

For everyone of those heros there are tens of thousands "could have been..."

I said it at least one thousand times... "There ain't no free lunches..." You want something... you'll have to work to earn it...

Those guys can be great models for kids... but the kids also need a reality check... not everyone has the talent... sad but true...

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New Anthony Robbins Seminar. Aim Low! Let Anthony and his 'team' convince you that you have no talent...you too can become a could of been!
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New Anthony Robbins Seminar. Aim Low! Let Anthony and his 'team' convince you that you have no talent...you too can become a could of been!
Never said that anyone should aim low... but I do believe that we should be grounded in reality... not everyone will become a champion or a star... but, you can be a fantastic success without that...

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I believe that everyone can become a champion or star of themselves, in their own unique way, and that they deserve just as much, including money should they desire it, as any other champion or star. Imagine if Roger Bannister, or Tony Robins, or Oprah Winfrey were convinced, or accepted that they never had the talent to succeed, or that they weren't worth much. Self belief, self worth and hope is what all kids need to be fullfilled. If they stumble, make mistakes, or change paths on the way to becoming fullfilled, in their own unique way, they need to feel that it is not a crime, not failure, not bad, but just a part of the journey, to be valued and enjoyed. Where there is a will, there is a way.
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I believe that everyone can become a champion or star of themselves, in their own unique way, and that they deserve just as much, including money should they desire it, as any other champion or star. Imagine if Roger Bannister, or Tony Robins, or Oprah Winfrey were convinced, or accepted that they never had the talent to succeed, or that they weren't worth much. Self belief, self worth and hope is what all kids need to be fullfilled. If they stumble, make mistakes, or change paths on the way to becoming fullfilled, in their own unique way, they need to feel that it is not a crime, not failure, not bad, but just a part of the journey, to be valued and enjoyed. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Good post... I can only agree with you just said here...

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Thanks, and thanks for making it possible to express it.
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