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07-31-2011, 03:00 AM
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Hi all, It's been a while since I'm here. One of the post I wrote here was about polarization(I was asking actually). Now I know why many of the articles here doesn't help me much. Because they are presented from the lense of the Lightworkers. Yes, I'm a Darkworker. I recently stumbled upon a good site about darkworkers. In fact, Asmoday launched the site for an experiment, to see if the society can accept Darkworker in it's truest form(s). here's the link: http://darkworkers.com I remember reading something about illuminati and conspiracy here, which rings something like "what they learn is very similar to what we learn" The difference is, of course, they are Darkworkers. You may not realized this, but what makes you think darkworkers are bad, or simply not for you, mostly because the social conditioning you got HERE. Yes, here, in Steve's forums. He even said it himself that his ideas about light/darkworking is biased, and it's true. If you keep asking for advice here, try it, fail at it, ask again, fail again, even to the extent of blaming yourself, perhaps Lightworker solutions aren't for you. Sorry Steve, I don't mean to take your visitors. I'm not even Asmoday's someone. It's just that if True Darkworkers keep dwelling in the Light Side, they will remain unpolarized or having a hard time polarizing to the light side. What you're really doing is abusing them, not because taking them to the light side, but because there's not much about the darkside here. For those who knows that good/bad doesn't exist, everything is just is, etc. while being unpolarized, then perhaps darkworking is for you. If you haven't polarized yet, or simply don't give a damn, read this: The Lies of the Good If that rings true to you, then welcome to The Brotherhood. That's all, this may be as well my last post here. |
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07-31-2011, 11:00 AM
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Steve's site itself isn't too strongly polarized to the light side, actually, I think it's near-perfectly in the middle. That's probably why he's the only writer I've stuck with reading from since I started actively looking into personal development when I was 16 (4 years ago) -- I've gone through so many others and quit them later. It's damaged me significantly that for the longest time I tried to identify as a lightworker and/or become one, when it really wasn't me at all. I felt that it was wrong for me but I didn't trust myself. Young people are easily influencable, and I was influenced by reading too much "lightworker" material (not sure if I'm talking about true lightworking or just bloggers who think they're lightworkers, it's likely the latter). But since I've learned to trust myself better, I've been recovering well. The forums here are pretty strongly polarized to the light side (in theory, though a lot of people here just seem confused). Thanks for the link, I haven't seen the site before. |
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07-31-2011, 11:48 AM
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I enjoy asmodays writings as well. Too bad he doesn't write more. In paticularly I enjoyed The Foci Exercise For Emotional Control: Apprentice The Mirror Exercise The second one moreso for the platos cave metaphor, I haven't really tried the exercise fully. |
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08-01-2011, 05:13 AM
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I'm glad if you find it useful  Yeah, I hope I didn't offend Steve. You're right. His posts are, kinda feel like in the middle. They're still biased though  Quote:
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08-01-2011, 05:16 AM
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Wow I really used to the word Hell now. LoL | |
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08-04-2011, 11:05 PM
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Hey Ziondino and everyone. There's been a lapse in posting, no doubt. The reason is because I work on a lot of different projects, and basically allot a certain amount of my time to the "Darkworking Intarweb" bin, which usually means blog posts. But, lately, I've been working on an expanded ebook on the Foci, which takes up the allotted bloc... I am, however, working on a post this weekend for the coming week. And, for all those who offered the positive feedback, many thanks. Love yourself, be mighty. |
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08-07-2011, 09:00 AM
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Keep it up! I want to take a look at your (so promised) ebook on Dark Magic! | |
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08-07-2011, 06:37 PM
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I like this part though: "I say, stop looking to others to complete you, help you, understand you, give you value, provide you with meaning… Stop trying to justify why you want what you want, why you do what you do, and state the truth simply. Its only when you have accepted truth, in all its beauty and ugliness, that you can truly act. Live in falseness, and your actions will always ring false. I say, stop looking outside, where answers cannot be found, and look inside. Ultimately, you were born alone, and will die alone. There is no one who can understand you like you can understand yourself. True Love is based on acceptance and understanding. No one can love you like you can love yourself. No one truly can love you but yourself. Free…your…mind…. You don’t have to justify anything, ever. Your will is what you are – who you are. The moment you were born, perfection was already yours. You are totally unique and filled with infinite power. Give wholeheartedly to yourself. Don’t you deserve it? After all, John Grey comes on “The Secret” and says, “Stop looking for someone else to give you more and give to yourself until you are full, and then overflow with that to give to others,”. And we say the same thing and we’re evil? Go figure." If you say the same thing, then what's a darkworker? |
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08-08-2011, 01:12 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with being a darkworker if you do it legally and ethically. I've worked with people in the business world who are all about the money and nothing else. They don't care about giving good service unless it means making more money. And they are extremely competitive. Personally, Darkworking is not for me, I tried it and it drove me crazy. Can you be an ethical darkworker? Sure. All you have to do is give people the best service, not because you want to, but because you want their money and respect. But somewhere along the way you'll start to care about other people's feelings. And that's why being a darkworker can suck, you'll lose sight of all the selfishness and will eventually become...*gasp*...nice  Even Darth Vader couldn't stand the Dark Side forever and neither can you  Darkworking is a temporary situation. |
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08-08-2011, 02:57 AM
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Edit: to explain what I'm saying-being selfish=/=not caring about other people. What it means is that your needs and desires are top priority. If one of your priorities happens to be caring for someone else, that's totally in line with darkworking. How it differs from lightworking is that a darkworker will almost never subscribe to unconditional love for everyone on an energetic level, and if they do it'll manifest more as a desire to challenge than to soothe, help, and comfort. Remember that the two paths coalesce and they influence each other at every stage. Neither is right or wrong or good or bad, they're just forces of nature that we embody and they can manifest in nearly any way which suits us. Last edited by Cado; 08-08-2011 at 03:15 AM. | |
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08-08-2011, 03:04 AM
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As for wishful thinking-have you tried it? The term doesn't really fit if it works. You could argue it's magical language surrounding something which is actually much more mundane but you can't argue it doesn't work, not unless you can pull from your own experience and articulate your thoughts from there. A genuine challenge can only be issued from someone who's gotten into the trenches otherwise it's a lot of mental masturbation. In fact, as I have said many times before, the reason so many discussions on this get screwy is because very few people are using more than their intellect when they approach it. Note that I'm saying there's more than the intellect, not that the intellect should be disregarded. It's the difference between tasting a sandwich and thinking about tasting a sandwich. In this case, the ideal is to taste it and then use the intellect to refine and define the experience into something which can be shared to the extent which it is possible. | |
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08-08-2011, 06:09 AM
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Um In this "Darkworking" website it encourages you to look inward and love yourself and to recognize yourself as divine... This sounds like what I would call "lightwork".... Let me explain.... My definition of Lightwork is any energy that feels good such as love and happiness and my definition of darkwork is any energy which doesn't feel good such as hate, revenge, bondage, depression, and so on... That site is encouraging love (of self) so by my definition it is light work... I think that this person just wanted to redefine words to seem different or something... |
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08-08-2011, 09:48 AM
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 Apparently darkworking is a veeeeeeeeery broad term.Quote:
I don't exactly run around calling myself a darkworker, I don't identify with that, but if I had to pick one or the other I'd pick that, though I'd tweak the definition of "darkworking" a bit. It doesn't seem to have a set definition to begin with (besides being the opposite of lightworking), so it's allowed. Yet I should expect that self-proclaimed lightworkers already have a fixed idea of what darkworking means, so I can't just call myself that and expect to be understood. I operate from the basis of love and nonduality, but it manifests in ways the average lightworker couldn't understand. I "work in the dark" so to speak, and I like it that way. A lightworker would say here that we're not really all that different, but I feel that I have to make the distinction because their ways of working don't work for me, I can't take advice from them (I've tried, for 4 years or so, I'm not wasting any more of my time). Quote:
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08-08-2011, 10:29 AM
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08-08-2011, 10:37 AM
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The light and dark paths are very similar to each other, the difference lies in focus, priorities, and methods. They both have access to a full range of emotions. Yes, darkworkers love, but it's modified by an inward pull. That does not mean it's harmful but it does mean you won't pick up on it if you're filtering it through intellectual standards of what light and dark should be. The first thing you need to do before polarizing is shatter your preconceptions of what light and dark are and let them speak for themselves through experimentation. Lightworkers will place love/compassion above all other values. Darkworkers will place love of self/power over all other values. How that manifests depends on how the individual arranges their priorities past that point. As long as you consistently align with one of those two things, you're polarized. The rest is bull**** as far as determining who's who and which is which. There are things polarized people share in common but while it's helpful to discuss how it impacts their path you can't determine where someone falls based solely on their actions or the effect of their actions. |
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08-08-2011, 10:41 AM
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You mean I'm supposed to be a callous, world-conquering bastard? ****, I better stop with this whole "self-transformation" world changing thing and buy an uzi. I've got some catching up to do. | |
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08-08-2011, 12:22 PM
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Well, since the focus, priorities and methods all tend to be different, one could say they're different animals altogether -- but they're both called "-working" for a reason. You can be a lousy *worker and fall short of your own standards (or the standards generally applied to your group). So I'd say one isn't by definition "better" than the other, the individuals in both groups can be either efficient or inefficient in their work. (Not that some person, me or anyone else, can judge how "efficient" someone is in their personal work, but the idea is still true.) Quote:
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But this is what's up with this from my point of view: these things manifest backwards. "Lightworkers" turn out to be selfish, "darkworkers" (well, some of them) turn out to be if not selfless then at least efficient/useful and helpful for others besides themselves. "Lightworking" in theory is a good thing, there's a reason I identified as one for a while. But what it is in reality isn't exactly ideal. I respect and support an actual lightworker, but the average/self-proclaimed lightworker isn't exactly that. "Darkworking" can mean a lot of things so I'll avoid making sweeping statements, but the kind of darkworker I respect and want to be more like, is someone who will go against the norm (what's considered "good" by everyone else) if they have to, who'll be completely honest with themselves (not necessarily with everybody else) about their own motives, and who'll know that God and God alone can and will stop them in their tracks (rephrased for the ungodly: and who'll know that no human can stop them, but they're human themselves so their time will run out eventually). I think that for a lot of self-proclaimed lightworkers it becomes an invisible hindrance -- just the belief that by the mere virtue of considering themselves a "good" person they've already achieved something, that they don't have to put as much effort in their work; and a lot of the time it'll turn into unwarranted self-certainty in discussion with others ("I can't be wrong, I'm a good person"). What I've noticed is that the lightworker will speak of unconditional love for everyone but then will avoid dealing with anything problematic unless it's very directly connected to their personal well-being; and the darkworker (the kind I like) knows exactly what he loves and will ax through all problems for it. Well, that's how I see things, anyway, and since the labels tend to be inaccurate I prefer to avoid using them. | |||
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08-08-2011, 01:35 PM
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08-08-2011, 02:07 PM
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You can take any one sentence from this thread, that applies to either darkworkers or lightworkers, and say, "well, yeah, but everybody does that". They only mean something when contrasted to the other. In theory, the perfect lightworker is altruistic and loves everybody, and, in theory, the typical darkworker only cares about himself. That's how the theory goes, but it's detached from reality. Most people know that you have to be in good shape yourself in order to help others, and that you'll get what you want/need if you provide value to others in exchange. Both light- and darkworkers can miscalculate the value they give and receive. (From what I've observed, darkworkers take bigger risks [in being very wrong or very right in their calculations], and lightworkers are more likely to delude themselves regarding how much value they're really giving and deserve in return.) | |
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08-08-2011, 03:50 PM
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What's drawing you to a darkworker polarized life? If that's your chosen path of course. I want to know how darkworkers are able to stay in the polarity without being influenced by other environmental factors. From personal experience, I don't know any happy darkworkers. Last edited by alexb5784; 08-08-2011 at 03:51 PM. Reason: spelling errors | |
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08-08-2011, 06:59 PM
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Changing yourself before you focus on externals is a very, very powerful paradigm and it will bring about polarization even if that's not the stated goal. | |
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08-08-2011, 07:00 PM
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I could talk about what I do, but I've actually demonstrated how I handle environmental factors many times on this forum. As talk is cheap I'll let my posting history speak for me. | |
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08-08-2011, 07:31 PM
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Lightworkers are automatically limited in terms of the actions they can take because love and compassion are their top values. That's not a complete picture of what lightworking is but the basic idea is that they do no harm (or as little harm as possible) unless something forces their hand. A competent lightworker will understand that while violent revolution is a bad idea, you can't hug governments and corporations into submission. And yet even then every action is tempered with love. A darkworker has no obligation toward anyone but themselves. "No obligation" doesn't mean they can't choose to value things like love, compassion, or justice, it's just integrated into a different framework and thus the results are very different both energetically and psychologically, even if they do things which would normally be considered selfless. Their every action is tempered by the push to empower themselves. What people do not understand is that darkworkers are empowered by the connections they form. Have you ever been in love? That's some potent ****. When you have a strong inward pull and someone is sending a constant stream of that to you it's f'ing incredible. The same goes for respect, comraderie, etc. We can feed off of any energy with some practice, but I for one prefer those. It's important to have strong supportive structures before you draw someone's ire toward yourself. As individualistic and independent as we are, a good darkworker knows that you need people. Even if they think of it strictly in terms of, say, business connections, if you don't have anyone else on your side you're impotent. You'll be crushed the first time someone with more resources at their disposal decides you're too much of a nuisance to ignore. In a way, that forces our hand and causes the energy mixture I was talking about a few paragraphs ago. Darkworkers are liberated from every law except cause and effect. If you can accept the consequences you can do whatever you like. When faced with that realization, I would choose to make a world not unlike what the lightworkers would choose. I don't want to live in a world where murder is kosher and I could be stabbed in broad daylight. I don't want to live in a world where everyone is a callous ******* and nobody shows compassion toward each other, ever. I don't want to live in a world where the rich destroy the ladder other people need to climb in order to reach a better station in life. All of that-ALL of it-impacts me somehow and I would be an idiot to ignore the potential fallout. That's before you account for my code of honor and my personal values. Anyone that's after money for money's sake or power for power's sake is going to be miserable. That's a hollow existence. If there's a purpose guiding them that's something else entirely. Life is too short not to have fun with it, to pick passionless pursuits just for the sake of status. Power is first and foremost about getting what you want-it's the ability to imprint your will upon the world and have it come to fruition. That can be nearly anything. It depends on what you choose. Last edited by Cado; 08-08-2011 at 07:36 PM. | |
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08-09-2011, 08:51 AM
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And you boil it all down to whether a darkworker can be "happy" or not, like that's the utmost goal or determines how right or wrong someone is. No one is happy 24/7, unless they're on drugs or otherwise deluding themselves (or avoiding anything problematic). TBH, I don't know any "happy" lightworkers either (just look at this forum, most seem to give off this desperate/needy vibe even if they're using/trying to use happy words) -- or if I do then they're someone who I can't respect ("I have a livable life! Screw everyone else, I'm happy!") I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd replace the word "happy" with peaceful or satisfied. I'll feel everything I have to feel throughout the day, but I'll be concerned about my personal development if I can't retain peace before and right after sleep. So, a darkworker can be satisfied with their life and what they do, they can go to sleep knowing they've done the right thing. I think that's what you should consider a "happy darkworker". I (or we) don't value "happiness" as highly as the average lightworker. Emotions are secondary. [I feel like a broken record, I've been saying the same thing in other threads.] | |
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08-09-2011, 01:10 PM
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So, what constitute Darkworker law will be: "Do what thou wilt shall be the Whole of The Law" I think Crowley have said it best. If you want to give charity, give it. If you want to **** a dog, do it. That's pretty much like it. I think, What Asmoday does is introducing Darkworking to the society, while giving "Awakened" Darkworkers tools to proceed in their Descent. (Note that I said Awakened, since many Darkworkers today are not even aware that they are, in fact, Darkworkers) Oh yeah, if Lightworkers have New Age "white magic", psychic healing, etc. Darkworkers do something cooler, they play with Demons and Magick!  Check these out: Techniques Of Chaos Magic Demon Dancing — A Beginner’s Guide to Demonology | ||
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08-09-2011, 01:22 PM
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I lie to my parents, manipulate my friends, etc. just for fun. And I can proudly call myself a happy guy. I don't worry about it, because we, Darkworkers, think before we rob. Law NO.2: The Second Law: Liberation If what we do will only saddens the person IF they know what we're doing, then what we should do is just to keep it secret. Done. I don't worry about lying, stealing, etc. just to get that girl I like, since, in order to do that, I MUST know the consequences first. If I steal and the cost is way too much than the benefit, I will drop it, and find another way around it. Darkworking is about having fun in your life, whether by ****ing a dog, or by helping that grandma to cross the road, if you so choose. But that's just me. | |
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