Perhaps Darkworking is for YOU

[Ziondino]

Originally Posted by Midnite

Well they are, it's just our definitions of 'lightworking' and 'darkworing' that are not proportional to the positive/negative polarities.

However sometimes I like to believe otherwise. Darkworking entails a sense of love-for-self. Sometimes love-for-self means the destruction/control/manipulation of others, by whichever means in order to vastly express that Self love. Many times a darkworker will become negatively polarised in order to achieve their goals. The important distinguishing fact is that they are not limited or constrained to such a definition.


Who are you trying to convince? Yourself or others on the forum?
Have you ever brought up a being that was filled with so much hatred and fury that it would rather kill you or convert you, rather than let you exist in your current illusion of life?

Because I have..

The last time I 'lost' control the ****ing thing attacked me and I woke up 3 hours later on the floor in the pitch blackness of night, not knowing if I was dead or alive.

I see very little difference between your two abovementioned labels.

And HOW did you end up in that ****** situation again?
There's a rumor in my house about that kind of being currently(you know, girls), what did you do? Piss on it? <- take it as a joke

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Midnite

Who are you trying to convince? Yourself or others on the forum?
Have you ever brought up a being that was filled with so much hatred and fury that it would rather kill you or convert you, rather than let you exist in your current illusion of life?

Because I have..

The last time I 'lost' control the ****ing thing attacked me and I woke up 3 hours later on the floor in the pitch blackness of night, not knowing if I was dead or alive.

I see very little difference between your two abovementioned labels.

You'll note that what I said was not a rebuttal of your experience but an expansion-ie that the label "demon" is sometimes applied to things that, while they might not be benign, are not wholly destructive.

In other words there is a level of subtlety the words "angel" and "demon" cannot account for. My point was not about such phenomena but how we describe it.

[Vaganova]

Originally Posted by alexb5784

For some people, darkworking can last a lifetime and they're very happy with the results. I was only able to be a darkworker for about 5 years. I got nothing out of it but stress and I hated the competitive business environment I was in.

What's drawing you to a darkworker polarized life? If that's your chosen path of course. I want to know how darkworkers are able to stay in the polarity without being influenced by other environmental factors. From personal experience, I don't know any happy darkworkers.

In my opinion, you were either not really stepping back and analyzing the situation as a darkworker, or you really might not be a darkworker.

From what I've seen 'darkworker' is somebody out to get exactly what they want.

As a darkworker in a competitive business environment, that might just not be what you actually wanted! You may have wanted the money, and the route was wrong. You may have wanted credit, and the route was wrong. You may have wanted many different things, and that specific business environment was wrong for you.

That doesn't change your darkworker/lightworker effects, it just means you need to honor them a bit more.

If you're a darkworker in a business you don't like, quit the *business*, not the alignment. You're darkworker, you have the honor and power to do that because it's about YOU and it's not making YOU happy/satisfied/content/powerful, so scrap it and do another type of business or activity that does fulfill your inner desires.

Jus' saying.

[Harmonium]

[LassieLove]

I think that the people who think darkworking might be for them are generally confused about what darkworking and lightworking mean. This is partly caused by the many people who have not yet polarised but who call themselves lightworkers. Then they give out the wrong impression about what it means to be a lightworker. Don't listen to them.

Before one can polarise, one has to become conscious. You can't choose between lightworking and darkworking before you become conscious. Becoming conscious may involve such things as recognising and accepting your own selfish motives, learning to truly lover yourself for who you are, learning to take proper care of yourself and going after your own dreams. These things are not lightworking or darkworking. I'll say it again. To become conscious of one's own selfishness, etc IS NOT DARKWORKING! It's merely becoming conscious.

Then, AFER you have become conscious of who you are and what powers you possess within yourself, you can choose between lightworking and darkworking. You cannot polarise if you haven't gone through the process of becoming conscious. Then you can choose wether you want to serve only yourself or to reach out and connect.

These thoughts are based on my own life experience. They are not from any book. This is how I see things right now from my perspective.

[FelineNostalgia]

This was an intense read, I enjoyed it.

What if choosing a path doesn't feel good enough, what if I've already started to naturally integrate?

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Cado

That's because you haven't done it.

How do you do it? You reflect on the suffering you have caused yourself?

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

::raises eyebrow::

Well, well....

...are you bold enough to test your theory?

[CroMagna]

You're cute.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

::raises eyebrow::

Well, well....

...are you bold enough to test your theory?

...I can clearly see a halo!

but really, I think you might be bi....polar...! you know lightworker and darkworker at the same time?

but really really, I mostly see you give value, as opposed to manipulating others into giving to you freely, but maybe I mistake stupidity for darkworking and the differences are subtle.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

...I can clearly see a halo!

but really, I think you might be bi....polar...! you know lightworker and darkworker at the same time?

but really really, I mostly see you give value, as opposed to manipulating others into giving to you freely, but maybe I mistake stupidity for darkworking and the differences are subtle.

The common misconception is that lightworkers are all light n' love and darkworkers are entirely destructive/adversarial.

That's impossible and a cursory look at the world around us proves it. Every species is concerned with its own survival and thus cooperates in consuming something else, be it animals or plant life. It's a paradox which occurs from single-celled organisms all the way to us.

Apply that on a human level-you're not gonna love terrorists into submission. They don't have daddy issues, and if they do they aren't gonna stop just because you offer to talk to them about it. A lightworker would have to use violence whether they'd want to or not.

Likewise, if a darkworker is an absolute dick through and through their chances of survival (much less achievement) are slim. At the very least you need somebody to like you and trust you so you don't get killed or jailed. Sociopathy is a mental illness, it's not the result of following the left hand path. In fact I think someone on this end of things would be more likely to take down a darkworker gone awry because our methods embrace conflict while admonishing restraint, meaning that when someone goes crazy you put your boot up their ass.

Human value judgments are mistaken for absolute truths, thus the confusion. "Acknowledging the divinity of another or your oneness with them means you should do no harm" is a common line of thinking, as is the notion that you can't evolve if you feel and do otherwise. I'd contend that it's just as valid to say, "they're one with me so I can do whatever the &*^% I want." The idea that we can harm something expansive and eternal is bloody ridiculous, so why should I place arbitrary limits on my methodology when it gets the job done?

It needs to be balanced out, but it presents something uncomfortable to most which is impossible to ignore, something I've already said: you have to take to live. You can dance around it with platitudes, you can put yourself on the higher moral ground by only eating plants or refusing to buy anything made in a third-world factory, but the fact that you're alive tells me that you're a murderer. "Do no harm" is a nice ideal but in practice you can only achieve "minimize harm."

But then why does a darkworker do something constructive or productive?

Well, why do you? The reasoning isn't gonna be that different. Again, we're not sociopaths. Our M.O. is the conscious use of entropy but that doesn't mean every bloody thing we do has to be destructive.

You could argue creation is somehow destructive, especially when it challenges social norms and shakes the status quo, but I'd say in turn that that stretches the definition of those words to the point of meaninglessness. It serves as an exercise to show that yin contains an element of yang and vice versa but it's lacking as a solid conceptual basis. It's my opinion that you can't be a serious student of this stuff and not insist on precision in the use of language while striving for greater and greater refinement over time.

So in short, while I can't speak for Asmoday, I can tell you I produce value because it enriches me and it's a monument to me. When I'm gone, that's my legacy. I like liberating people because it destroys the things in this world that I despise. I like shaking up the status quo because it cures stagnation and makes life a lot more vibrant and exciting. Whatever I am evolving toward, working with humanity, falling in love, creating, questioning, thinking, and challenging are all part of it. If all I did was hate and destroy and hoard and plunder I'd be pretty damn miserable. Trying to paint things in terms of all love vs. all hate/fear/whatever dishonors both paths.

Supplementary links for the curious:

All is One
The Infinite and the Left Hand Path Part 1
The Infinite and the Left Hand Path Part 2

[Cado]

As a quick aside and addendum to my last post, do you know what a darkworker would do in order to manipulate the masses in the way Harmonium describes?

Pretend to be a lightworker.

Remember that the next time you're in the new age section of your local bookstore.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Cado

All is One
The Infinite and the Left Hand Path Part 1
The Infinite and the Left Hand Path Part 2

I like this guy! Love his humor as well on another link I watched of him explaining the symbology of the inverted pentagram. Plus, he's Irish...huge bonus.

Listening to him also helped clarify another discussion we had last week. I think hearing a persons voice, for me, is easier for me to understand rather than absorbing words on a screen.

[Asmoday]

Cado is right about Darkworkers masquerading intentionally.

Ahem. However, putting this talk aside for a second, this isn't the first time this has come up.

No dodging Harmonium, you open the door, you help me either close it or fail to close it and demonstrate you are correct.

However, I have to crowd-source this at this point, because I'm stumped.

I need an action which:

1) Is documentable and doesn't carry risk of illegality, for obvious reasons
2) Demonstrates to people at large than I'm a Darkworker, because it is something a Lightworker would never do.

Any thoughts?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Cado is right about Darkworkers masquerading intentionally.

Ahem. However, putting this talk aside for a second, this isn't the first time this has come up.

No dodging Harmonium, you open the door, you help me either close it or fail to close it and demonstrate you are correct.

However, I have to crowd-source this at this point, because I'm stumped.

I need an action which:

1) Is documentable and doesn't carry risk of illegality, for obvious reasons
2) Demonstrates to people at large than I'm a Darkworker, because it is something a Lightworker would never do.

Any thoughts?

Well then, roasting babies is straight out, as are ritualistic sacrifices and blood orgies. I'm damn well stumped, too.

In all seriousness, I'll be thinking on that one.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Cado

as are ritualistic sacrifices and blood orgies. I'm damn well stumped, too.

Don't be too disappointed, you can always check Leviticus 12-16 for these.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Don't be too disappointed, you can always check Leviticus 12-16 for these.

You're right, they were a bad idea to begin with-too Christian.

Good call.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Cado is right about Darkworkers masquerading intentionally.

Ahem. However, putting this talk aside for a second, this isn't the first time this has come up.

No dodging Harmonium, you open the door, you help me either close it or fail to close it and demonstrate you are correct.

However, I have to crowd-source this at this point, because I'm stumped.

I need an action which:

1) Is documentable and doesn't carry risk of illegality, for obvious reasons
2) Demonstrates to people at large than I'm a Darkworker, because it is something a Lightworker would never do.

Any thoughts?

You could write dirty poems like Aleister Crowley.

Maybe you could try to articulate the distinction better. I wonder how much percieved image here really matters; I'd say that's for you to decide as your site/work/purpose is your own.

[irfan]

Originally Posted by Annie Zero

[Thelema] is founded upon the idea that the 20th century marked the beginning of the Aeon of Horus, in which a new ethical code would be followed; "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". This statement indicated that adherents, who are known as Thelemites, should seek out and follow their own True Will rather than their ego's desires.

Thelema - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you, Annie. I also found the previous representation of the central law of Thelema to be horribly over simplistic and crude. I was just wondering whether it was worth replying, but you already did it quite elegantly.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

You could write dirty poems like Aleister Crowley.

Maybe you could try to articulate the distinction better. I wonder how much percieved image here really matters; I'd say that's for you to decide as your site/work/purpose is your own.

I think it's been explained within a theoretical framework about as well as is currently possible. My posts alone are quite extensive; someone who's been here for over a month doesn't have an excuse for not having a better understanding of the subject than most actually do.

The conversation usually goes something like:

"Darkworkers are evil."

"No we're not. In fact, we actually have a fair bit in common with lightworkers, the main difference is they focus on unity and we focus on individuality."

"But lightworkers can be individualists, too."

"They can value uniqueness and individualism but it goes deeper than that. Some of our methods are different, for one thing-we consciously tap into so-called 'lower' energies and we'll honor the self through its expression, such as through revenge."

"So you're evil."

"No, you don't-"

"I think you're a lightworker and you don't know it yet."

"I...



.............



that's not even...



just... just nevermind."

Like I say, one of the big issues on that front is that most people don't even understand what lightworking is, but it's more socially acceptable on these forums so you've got a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon when they still haven't figured out the complexities of walking or feeding themselves. They have no idea how to tell who's who and it's ridiculously easy for people to exploit that to their own ends. (see: just about every damn topic in the spirituality and psychic sub-forums)

So hey, if Asmoday can figure out something to do maybe that will make things clearer. Talking obviously isn't getting the job done.

[elucidate]

Quite honestly, I'm amazed you've hung in there for so long trying to explain it. I would have gone on a shooting rampage ages ago.

Originally Posted by Cado

I think it's been explained within a theoretical framework about as well as is currently possible. My posts alone are quite extensive; someone who's been here for over a month doesn't have an excuse for not having a better understanding of the subject than most actually do.

The conversation usually goes something like:

"Darkworkers are evil."

"No we're not. In fact, we actually have a fair bit in common with lightworkers, the main difference is they focus on unity and we focus on individuality."

"But lightworkers can be individualists, too."

"They can value uniqueness and individualism but it goes deeper than that. Some of our methods are different, for one thing-we consciously tap into so-called 'lower' energies and we'll honor the self through its expression, such as through revenge."

"So you're evil."

"No, you don't-"

"I think you're a lightworker and you don't know it yet."

"I...



.............



that's not even...



just... just nevermind."

Like I say, one of the big issues on that front is that most people don't even understand what lightworking is, but it's more socially acceptable on these forums so you've got a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon when they still haven't figured out the complexities of walking or feeding themselves. They have no idea how to tell who's who and it's ridiculously easy for people to exploit that to their own ends. (see: just about every damn topic in the spirituality and psychic sub-forums)

So hey, if Asmoday can figure out something to do maybe that will make things clearer. Talking obviously isn't getting the job done.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Quite honestly, I'm amazed you've hung in there for so long trying to explain it. I would have gone on a shooting rampage ages ago.

If I didn't get a high degree of personal satisfaction from this, I would have.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Cado

If I didn't get a high degree of personal satisfaction from this, I would have.

Well, you deserve a medal of some sort for your trouble. I, for one, don't think you are evil, if that makes a difference to your day?

[LassieLove]

I think that Osho was a darkworker. He talked about being an individual in a tone that suggested that he considered himself some kind of a God. He was narcissistic and he died at 58, delusional, looking like a 70-year-old. He thought that almost everyone else except him and a select few was blind to the truth.

That path doesn't fascinate me much.

[irfan]

Why Chaos Magicians Are Such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[irfan]

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That was a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s. Did anyone swoon away with shock and horror?

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Cado

"Darkworkers are evil."

"No we're not. In fact, we actually have a fair bit in common with lightworkers, the main difference is they focus on unity and we focus on individuality."

"But lightworkers can be individualists, too."

"They can value uniqueness and individualism but it goes deeper than that. Some of our methods are different, for one thing-we consciously tap into so-called 'lower' energies and we'll honor the self through its expression, such as through revenge."

Oh, cool. You could've just said that earlier. I now have some speculation if I'm not too uncool/unread/unpolarized to discuss polarity with you.

The personal distinction to me is ATM almost meaningless, personally. I think its good to be discerning of others though.The labels are black and white when to me there seem to be many shades of gray. For example, I may partake in revenge and I may not depending on the situation, but I also care about humanity as a whole and am generous. I don't really feel a need to put myself into a category, or to be seen in an image of "dark" or "light". Who you are in being is what matters imo.

I guess I just don't see people truly going 100% one way or the other. I feel there is either rationalization going on or a need to project an image and be percieved in a certain way. Maybe true polarization exists, but I'm not really seeing it.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

I guess I just don't see people truly going 100% one way or the other. I feel there is either rationalization going on or a need to project an image and be percieved in a certain way. Maybe true polarization exists, but I'm not really seeing it.

The differences are actually quite subtle. First and foremost, it's about identity and gaining mastery over it/deconstructing it. Secondly it's about the movement of energy, or primary focus to use less mystical terms. Everything else stems from that.

It seems that the paradigm Steve and Asmoday have adopted draws heavily from the east where achieving identification with the One/universe/God/etc. is the end goal, or rather the underlying truth of reality. Lightworking and darkworking are methods to not only see that but embody it and live it. See, people think that compassion is the ultimate pursuit, but it's not. It actually becomes an ego trap in another form when it's preached the way a lot of people on these forums do. It's supposed to be a means of stretching your ego to the point that it's repeatedly broken and reshaped so you inch closer and closer to realizing the infinite. That's why the Left-Hand Path works: an emphasis on ambition, individualization, and achievement is just as good at breaking/stretching the ego as compassion is.

It's not supposed to be a heroes vs. villains or good vs. evil kind of thing, it's supposed to be a perspective which leads to consistent actions either aligning with agape love or personal betterment. There's a lot of overlap there but when it comes to big things (or when thought processes are explained) you see a difference.

[Cado]

I think if you really wanna see the contrast, you've got to look at the landmark moments in a person's life as opposed to what they do day to day.

You have a chance to go to Africa and do work that will make a real difference, however it will delay your other ambitions by a few years, not to mention you will experience little in the way of material acquisition. What will you do?

You have a chance to steal a major promotion from someone who deserves it more than you do. What do you do?

You're attracted to someone in an unhappy relationship and she/he is warming to you. Do you pursue the relationship openly on the condition that he/she breaks it off first, or do you move straight into the seduction phase, their current partner be damned?

These situations aren't as black-and-white as they seem because there are countless variables which could come into play in real life, but when operating on the assumption that this is all you need to know and you will take one of the actions outlined it displays the real differences between the two paths.

I'd also like to note that I made these clear darkworker vs. lightworker choices for a reason. The more consistent you are the more powerful you become. If you answered 2/3 lightworker, you'll lean more and more in that direction as you grow, and vice versa. There's more options in every case, like letting the opportunities pass you by without doing anything, and that will keep you stuck. There's also the option of taking action and then sabotaging yourself after the fact, which ultimately negates the benefits of making the choice in the first place (barring what you learn about yourself in the process).

The key words are efficiency and focus. You can take polarization as a metaphor for altering your pschology, ie you automatically begin to think in certain terms which enables you to make decisions more quickly and handle bigger opportunities which require dedication and conviction. It's simply not possible to consciously effect the world on a large scale without a rock-solid set of chosen principles you instinctively live by.

[Sinestre]

Okay, I'll tell you wha'r it is (In an Irish Accent).

You need to realise, first and foremost, that LIGHT and DARK do not mean LIGHT and DARK in a literal, or even socially conditioned way.

Positive and Negative are equated to IN and OUT.

IN (from universe) to you = negative flow. (You feel good around are ionisers because they put NEUTRONS which are NEGATIVELY CHARGED into the atmosphere for you to suck up)

OUT (to universe) from you = positive flow.

Both polarized sides come to a head of realising that you're still using either IN or OUT forces, no matter what you do, but your primary focus is either IN or OUT.

Both lightworkers and darkworkers ARE HEADING FOR EXACTLY THE SAME GOALS IN LIFE, just doing it a different way.

I do personally think there is a large lightworker-bias, but that's globally socially conditioned and people seem not to realise that sometimes they're just spouting what society told them to. There aren't many darkworkers around because the lightworkers don't want there to be and devise ways for more society to become lightworkers, BUT!

Lightworkers wouldn't exist if Darkworkers didn't exist.

The life energy constantly flows IN and OUT. A Lightworker unconditionally loves a Darkworker, who can still appreciate the love he receives and wanted.

I am a Darkworker, I think, and I still believe that there are things that deserve my appreciation or gratefulness, and I believe that in return for me being thankful for what I'm being given (If it's to my standard), I can receive more of it.

It's a completely mutual thing. I can still genuinely give love and get it in return. I can still unconditionally love someone even though I primarily want their love first.

It's not always as simple as you think it is.
YOU MUST FIND YOUR WAY YOURSELF!

xoxo Sinni