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I didn't realize even psychologists who study them intensely know where they sprung from? | |
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It's not just about us, or our ability to control our emotions. It's about whether we are spreading a negative or positive influence, whether that be within ourselves or within others around us. Anger doesn't need years on-end to age appropriately, it takes just sheer seconds to do its damage. Sometimes that damage means the introduction of volatility in our ability to control. Breakdown of control is one of the most widely used techniques I have come across. We all feel fine and dandy while we are experiencing a positive, well-driven lifestyle. However when things start to fall apart, foundations tend to crumble and we lose our focus of control. It drives us to do just about anything to try and stick it all back together again. This point of vulnerability is where I have been striked quite a few times. Quote:
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| Thank you for your insightful contribution. If this clarifies anything, I subscribe to the belief that nothing is more real than what you believe in. I can say I "believe" in demons but I only believe in them as much as I believe in, say, myself (that is, not much, not necessarily, not at all times). Quote:
By that I mean I considered it in all seriousness for more than a fleeting moment. Both times the "cannibal demon" came through, I was in a terrible state emotionally. Except then I actually felt better because the "demon" distracted me from whatever I was feeling bad about -- I was like, hey, who the hell is this? Because it's not me. And it was fascinating. I didn't feel compelled to exorcise the demon, instead I locked him in to examine him. This one clearly wasn't very bright. (I think this was one of the myriad of things that made me become decidedly fragmented as a person. I identify as a system.) Quote:
To illustrate: let's say you have a serious conflict with some person, and you get an idea that, hey, I should just punch this person in the face. You may for a moment consider it in all seriousness but you won't do it because that aspect of you is not congruent with the "majority of you". The more incongruent an aspect is with the rest of you, the more likely you are to recognize it as something external from you -- but there is no actual, definite line. Everyone gets targeted by negs, daily, they're just like the bacteria that live around us and on us and inside of us at all times -- but a healthy, solid person just doesn't fall for that so easily. Quote:
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That's kinda the only reason I would eat a person though, but I did know a guy who partied with the guy who chose to get eaten on the internet a few years back. He said he wasn't surprised as that guy liked to shock! Quote:
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| I realize that. Having not had a similar experience though I chose to offer my own experience of thinking about cannibalism. Obviously, this was not appreciated. I can live with that! *shrug* Maybe I just don't know what to say to someone who seriously considered eating people at one point! I forgot this thread was Oh so serious! Last edited by elucidate; 08-10-2011 at 03:01 PM. |
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Everything in this book is for amusement purposes only. It is all a lie. If you are foolish enough to employ the concepts or exercises, you do so at your own risk. Neither the authors nor the publisher recommend anything. Check with your lawyer, doctor and local police before following any of the suggestions herein. /--/ p.s. Every mistake, intentional or otherwise, is the fault of the reader. - Dr. Hyatt | |
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No, I just found your reply a little sharp, when my post was meant to be light-hearted. You seemed to take it quite seriously, that's all. I'm probably a bit sensitive right now is all. I was being honest, I didn't know what to say to you about you wanting to eat people! Last edited by elucidate; 08-10-2011 at 05:03 PM. | |
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With that taken out of the picture, with the resistance gone (or put aside at least), how do your words feel? Honestly, they're a bit flat. Here's the thing-I see you and a lot of other people talking authoritatively about things which are very much beyond a human scope. You've pretty much said that, but how is it possible to gain this grander insight while still being in the human form? And note that in asking I am not assuming it's impossible, but I'm extremely skeptical of anyone who says they have progressed that far. After all, my whole shtick is that we are here, as humans, to do something which can't be accomplished without the merging of spirit and matter. When I speak of the utilitarian approach, part of that-in my mind-is ensuring that spirituality does not become a crutch. It's easy to say "demons are influencing me" whether it's lying, cheating, stealing, or, hell, eating too much, yet the solution to their problems would be as easy as putting the damn Twinkies down. The tricky part is that there are legitimate spiritual phenomena which you'll only see when you have eyes to see, so to speak. It's why, when it comes to polarity, I'm so quick to ask, "have you done it?" Because if you've only read Asmoday's site and you've never used the foci, you've never done an isolation, you've never journaled, you've never integrated the philosophy in your actions, then it's going to go right over your head. The same is true for Steve's stuff. Anything of substance is like that-there are layers which are peeled away as your understanding deepens and transforms you. What turns me off to what you say is that it's stated plainly as fact. There's not really a stepping stone-either we see it as you do or we don't. Maybe that's the intention as you say you're not trying to convince anyone, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they haven't built a bridge you can use to catch a glimpse of things from their perspective. When it's so far removed from the human that it's difficult to step into that frame of mind, and when it fails to prove itself useful, then why should it be considered a potentially valid truth or path to the truth? Take, for instance, a lot of the channeled work which ends up in the Psychic and Paranormal section of these forums. Many of the people there come at things with a perspective that seems quite similar to yours and they talk about things like aliens and make predictions about events to come... And nothing happens. Is that the result of negative entities screwing with us? Even if it is, I'm sure you'll understand when I say it sounds a lot like Christians saying that God put dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith. If something like that is true it's a dick move on the part of the divine. And if it's the human part of us placing undue expectations on something we don't understand, then how can any of us reach that far out with any degree of certainty? That articulates everything I have been thinking up to this point. Last edited by Cado; 08-11-2011 at 01:34 AM. | |
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Volatile energy is difficult to control and it can have unpredictable side-effects, but that's why the Left-Hand Path intiate needs to be incredibly disciplined and focused when they use it. Nature requires the forces of creation and destruction to function properly, we're just making use of something already in motion. While I would never call mankind inherently altruistic-I'd say that by default every action, even for others, is selfishly driven-I have no qualms with the idea that a psychologically functional human doesn't enjoy causing harm just to cause harm. This notion is challenged by people who act more like chimps (seriously, those guys are dicks) than they do people, but I can see the argument that they do it more out of ignorance than malice. But even so, tempers flare. Sometimes the fire burns so hot it turns to hatred. It's not the thing itself which will determine the consequences, it's how it's focused and then used. For the darkworker, the effects they have on other people aren't their concern unless they make it their concern. Yes, even if it's exceptionally well executed it could bear consequences down the road (thus why acceptance of cause and effect is so damn important), but it's equally as likely that if it returns to them it will be from a completely unrelated source, borne from circumstances they had no part in. Everything is connected but differentiation is important-when two parts of the whole are far enough removed the impact they have on each other is so negligible as to be nonexistent. And again I think it's worth noting that just because someone puts out what they term positive energy and they do their best to be kind and loving it doesn't mean it will never turn against them, or that it will never harm others. Things aren't that simple. Part of waking up is becoming aware of that. Last edited by Cado; 08-11-2011 at 01:50 AM. | |
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Cool, Cado, I'm glad you decided to stick with me. I'm not going to go line-by-line, because I'm not really trying to argue. I do think you get the wrong idea when you say that I'm speaking authoritatively on things I haven't experienced or truly understand. It's like this. You have a perspective and an experience with a set of techniques bundled together to form a path. You walk the path, so you can see all the different elements of it. You have a unique insight into it that comes from living it. You can see where people are making wrong judgments about it from an outside view. All spiritually aware people find such a path. I have one, Midnite has one, even the folks who clutter up the Consciousness boards have one. They all blaze slightly different paths through Truth. The way we learn, the way we accelerate our growth is, we share those paths and the insights that come from them. But it only works if you come from a place of eagerness and innocence. I have a very different frame of mind from Midnite and Jeremy, but sight unseen, presence unknown, we can all learn from each other because we're not interested in protecting our own paths. In such a way, we are not limited to our own perspectives, our own experiences. We can use each others' perspectives as well. It's true, our own human eyes limit what we can personally experience, but that's of no consequence if we can communicate with other beings, such as angels. If we can walk through the same world they live in through astral projection. By relaxing our skepticism, we can input a lot more information into our spiritual "computer". You may not see the value of relaxing that skepticism, but I guarantee you that's a prerequisite to even the most basic of conscious communication with other beings. If you can't relax your skepticism, you can sit all day in alpha visualizing a white room, and beings will do their damndest to get through to you, but you'll never believe any of it. I know because I've tried, way back when. But once you do figure out that trick, all of a sudden a whole world opens up to you. And, just like your polarity exercises, if you don't do the work of relaxing your mind's need to know, then you'll never be able to broaden your spiritual experience through contact with non-material entities. That skepticism is a very real thing and it doesn't just limit your ability to use psychic abilities. And it doesn't go away just by witnessing some cool shizz. You can say that you know spiritual phenomenon exist, but still have the mental block in place. |
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As said, I don't make a difference between internal and external entities, and I also wouldn't blame a "demon" for something that I do, even if I internally feel I'm influenced my something that is alien to me. Anything else problematic with what I said? Christ on a bike, mention cannibalism and everyone starts using exclamation points. (Actually I find the above conversation (Vince, Cado) a bit hard to follow, so I'll just... observe quietly. >_>) | |
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(mod)Witch hat on I'd like to remind everyone to keep the thread on topic. I understand that certain topics may seem a little "woo" to some people, but others would indeed like to discuss it. Further attempts to derail the thread may result in demonic possession. Thank you for your attention. (Black magick jokes aside, I'm serious: even if a certain topic does not resonate with you, there's no real need to mock it. |
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Now, when it comes to skepticism, I'm going to expouse a view which goes against the grain-I think skepticism is just as, if not more, important for the spiritually minded than it is for the hard-nosed atheists of the world. They're not in the thick of things. If it's spiritual they reject it, period. In a way that drastically simplifies things. For the rest of us, we have to find a way to comprehend and filter subtle phenomena so that we retain our sensitivity without being influenced to our detriment. Discernment is much harder than outright rejection, in other words. In my view an eagerness to believe is just as bad, if not worse, than shutting things out altogether. That's what I'm saying people need to guard themselves from and it is what I practice. This is also where a utilitarian approach proves incredibly useful. If you push as far as you can go within mundane consciousness and there is still something happening, something you can sense, which goes beyond what is strictly rational, then you know you're dealing with something legitimate and you are not creating something within your own mind to validate an existing belief or desire to believe. I find it also makes it far easier to discern when you really are being subtly influenced by something beyond the grasp of the primary senses. I can take the insight I gain at those milestones and reverse engineer it to see the whole tapestry of my life in a new way. We owe it to ourselves not to cave to gullibility, and it's equally important to remember that our minds are a creative force that are capable both of influencing the things around us and crafting illusions which are difficult to differentiate from reality. It's a long process, but any valid spiritual path is hard-easy: you put in a lot of work up front and once the paradigm shifts things get far simpler. It's like how with money building schemes anybody who's looking to get rich quick is gonna get fleeced. A little bit of caution saves us a ton of headache, it's just a question of what the right balance is. Edit: I also want to clarify that when I say discernment I'm not talking merely on an intellectual level, rather I'm saying that every faculty needs to come into play. If any one part in the tapestry of Self is missing from the equation the conclusion is always questionable. Last edited by Cado; 08-11-2011 at 08:26 PM. | |
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He totally nicked it from Rabelais, though, who was a Renaissance humanist -- once again the paths converge. | |
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I read through the site, and I think it has some worthwhile articles. I enjoyed seeing his take and opposite polarity to the "normal" personal development material that one finds, but he goes a bit over the top in some places. As for the perceived differences between light and darkworkers, I don't think they are particularly relevant. In my view, everyone should walk both paths, or forge their own down the middle. No one should follow either path to the exclusion of the other, that leads to a serious imbalance. |
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But people will always (or at least should always) have priorities different from others, and whether you consider what they do lightworking or darkworking doesn't actually change what they do. This conversation isn't about choosing what to be, if anything we're just discussing who we already are. But, tbh, it's understandable if you don't see it, but there may be significant similarities between people who want to consider themselves darkworkers so it makes sense that they would be drawn to similar sources/authors/site for their personal development/spirituality info. If you're not into that, fine. If you have some constructive criticism for them, great, let's hear it. But with the way you say it it just sounds like you're judging by the labels themselves but haven't really the slightest as to what the actual differences are. I would say that some darkworkers function entirely different from the average lightworker, and it would be flippant and erasing to say "oh, you're really just like us! You should approach personal development/spirituality in the same ways we do and you'll be better off!" No. | |
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"Darkworkers" follow the path of mastery, in which the "Ego" is not given up, it is embraced and transformed at will. They embrace a kind of masculine energy that seeks to dominate and direct. They are driven by a sort of lust. They believe in a feminine "God" which yields to their decisions out of love. Consider that. The muslim that blows himself up to bring down a tower for Allah is a "lightworker". The tycoon that built the tower is a "darkworker". It is not an issue of "good and evil" in the traditional sense. Last edited by lycan; 08-12-2011 at 02:46 PM. | |
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