Can a Darkworker be nice?

[jellybeanpimp]

Originally Posted by Cado

Not quite. Again, the association with darkness goes back a long way, and it has to do with delving into the underworld and communing with the entities there, as well as tapping into the self by going deep into shadow. .

We are on the same page there, Cado. I do believe in an "underworld", or rather a different plane of existence, that vibrates at a very low frequency and is just as real as the planes of existence that vibrate at higher frequencies. To me, ignoring them would be like saying Manhattan exists, but the South Bronx does not.

The beings that inhabit these lower dimensions can guide you, assuming you speak the same language of dark energy. They can spot your dark energy just about as easy as a talent scout could spot a hot girl in a mall. It's not too difficult.

These lower dimensions of existence don't operate like higher dimensions of existence. In higher dimensions, it is about unity. In lower dimensions, it is about hierarchy. You ultimately serve the person above you who serves the person above you, etc, until you get to the person at the top. The example I brought up was merely showing how this similar hierarchy is actually replicated in many areas of this plane of existence.

The only thing I was really getting at with you is that it seems like you don't want to be all dark energy. So I think you drop the dark side like a hot potato

If you are trying to delve into the shadow and lower dimensions, you should be trying to be as dark as possible. If you are the first person I know of who is making contact with the demon of friendliness, please let me know, but from what I understand, they are not going to be helping you in anything that doesn't involve something already aligned with their own realm. It'd be like the girl scouts supplying guns to a local street gang. You have to be in alignment with them, otherwise, why would they be trying to provide assistance on your behalf, and if you are not interested in them why would you be contacting them in the first place?

[pyrogen]

I'm a Darkworker using the same working definition of the term that is used by Asmoday and Cado.

Would I LIKE to be a cartoon villain? Sure. I'd love to have a Zeppelin and a personal robot army.

Why not?

My experience with this is that my path takes me in a different direction from that of some others whom I know. Some of the Lightworkers I know are in contact with various entities and the like whereas I approach from radical responsibility/acceptance - everything I experience, there is some way in which I have created it, so I look for the root of that and try to change it and I treat my life as if this is the only one that I have got.

The Lightworkers I know are experiencing all kinds of "wins" right now, and wonderful sensual experiences.

Whereas mine is a very hard path. I feel like the universe is literally working against me, so that I am forced to take complete responsibility for myself. Instead of being "gifted" like all of my Lightworker friends, I am finding that my net is gradually eroding so that I am forced to rely upon myself. Nothing is going to be easy for me at this moment and often things seem to specifically conspire to be hard. For example: I've nearly gone broke because of several total coincidental circumstances, involving a bureaucracy; I have met a nice woman but have not been able to actually date her because I can't even get out to SEE her (things always go wrong at the last minute or the timing is wrong).

All of this would be different if I merely were in charge of my own life. Which at the moment, I am not.

This is part of my polarity. Lightworkers often find that if they jump, the net will appear. I am accepting, little by little, that because of hte path I've chosen, the net won't appear for me. The rewards will be very, very great once I finally sieze my own power and I will have more in my grasp than most people get to enjoy, with only the inner resources with which I already have - and indeed, I can even help others work with THEIR resources. That is not altruism; there is a point at which you keep growing by giving what you know.

I know that I will succeed, and have always known this. But in the meantime, I must crawl out of the primordial ooze and give allegience and trust to no statist system, no one else to provide to me, and no god.

Every day I wish that I could just pray to something. But by putting myself through the fire, I experience real transformation, and while I've had some real, real pain, I've fired my own growth in that pain and learned a lot in a very short period of time. And it HAS been hard. There have quite literally been times I've wanted to die. But I am responsible for my life, and this is the path that I have chosen.

It's like tempering a blade in fire; you have to get burnt.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

The only thing I was really getting at with you is that it seems like you don't want to be all dark energy. So I think you drop the dark side like a hot potato

If we're talking evil, absolutely. I don't much care how I'm perceived but I do what I consider good. That has me at the forefront but I am not a world-destroyer nor would I disacknowledge another being's right to exist for their own sake.

If you are trying to delve into the shadow and lower dimensions, you should be trying to be as dark as possible. If you are the first person I know of who is making contact with the demon of friendliness, please let me know, but from what I understand, they are not going to be helping you in anything that doesn't involve something already aligned with their own realm. It'd be like the girl scouts supplying guns to a local street gang. You have to be in alignment with them, otherwise, why would they be trying to provide assistance on your behalf, and if you are not interested in them why would you be contacting them in the first place?

If you're bending to their purpose you're not in control. This is why practicing mental discipline, protective circles, etc. is so bloody important.

If you become psychopathic or animalistic and it's not what you intended, there was a failure at some point to practice restraint and exercise discernment. Power isn't worth it if you forget why you wanted it in the first place.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

That is not altruism; there is a point at which you keep growing by giving what you know.

Ahhh, Pyro, you put in explicit terms what I meant to say earlier.

The underlying principle behind what she said is what makes darkworker kindness possible, indeed desirable to the kind of darkworker that I am. It's something I'm grateful for because looking at the world how it is today, I don't think anyone would have the tools to combat our "owners" if dissent was impossible within their own polarity.

[pyrogen]

Originally Posted by Cado

Ahhh, Pyro, you put in explicit terms what I meant to say earlier.

The underlying principle behind what she said is what makes darkworker kindness possible, indeed desirable to the kind of darkworker that I am. It's something I'm grateful for because looking at the world how it is today, I don't think anyone would have the tools to combat our "owners" if dissent was impossible within their own polarity.

Yes, makes sense.

I find that I contribute value *most* when I am not in the least thinking about contributing value. THe moment I flip over to "does this bring value", the quality of my output tends to really, really drop. People seem to find the most value in my work when I'm operating from the most authentic place.

Also, sometimes I give advice to people and it is the advice *I* need.

Sometimes though, lately... auugghhh sometimes I wish the pain would stop.

There's a particular Lightworker way of living that sometimes grates on me - a certain naivete, a wide-eyed trust in the kindness of strangers. The Lightworkers I know... seem to live by the seat of their pants and they seem to get into unimaginable scrapes without ever getting hurt. There is a kind of Lightworker Luck.

I experienced this as a teenager long, before I polarized.

The problem is, once you have lost your caul, you won't get it back. You can't go back to trusting once you've lost that trust; it just can't happen.

I do not appeal to demons, but I DO appeal to people's darker natures. I'd better. Because the kindness of strangers is not something upon which I can rely. I CAN rely upon the fact that all people have an id, however.

I will only find love and success, I know, once I am in the position to *make them happen*. It is not easy to accept this when surrounded by Lightworkers who have lovers just drop out of the sky just because they ask.

But this is still a more powerful position than waiting for something to happen. It just doesn't feel powerful while I am still empowering myself.

Kindness is possible because I accept responsibility for everything I create. I can be an ass to people, but the thing is, I will have to accept the consequences of being an ass. I would much rather experience the consequences of kindness... when it's warranted.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Cado

What's funny is I think you can make a strong case for Hitler being a rogue lightworker, but that's for another thread.

I think I remember you saying that in another thread. I'm still not sure I agree though? I think that in his own mind he believed he was doing what was right, but then, the total obvious insane nature of the reality of what went down there suggests his dark side took the wheel at some point.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

Very true. Speaking of cartels, I remember watching Blow not too long ago and what you said reminds me of one scene. Johnny Depp's character is meeting some big time Colombian drug cartel leader and upon his arrival the cartel leader apparently is busy talking to someone else. The cartel leader excuses himself to have a friendly discussion with this person, they casually walk into a field having a normal conversation, and then he pulls out a gun and shoots him point blank in the head.

I was like "?!?!?!", but it's the same concept. It is an extreme benefit to these guys to make themselves appear as charming, witty, and sophisticated as possible. That way, you never see it coming.

I had a boyfriend who experienced something similar a few years ago. he was working in a pub in England and had been talking on and off to these two fellows who were drinking there all day. At closing time, those two men who had been friendly as pie to him all day suddenly got out the masking tape and taped him to a chair and proceeded to rob the pub! It turned out the manager of the pub had set it up, with some mates of his.

[kazerniel]

I'd consider myself a mild darkworker in the sense that I'm usually nice with other people, because it's a better feeling for ME to be with happy people around. So being nice and cheering others can be done to lift my own mood.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by kazerniel

I'd consider myself a mild darkworker in the sense that I'm usually nice with other people, because it's a better feeling for ME to be with happy people around. So being nice and cheering others can be done to lift my own mood.

I'm like this too.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

Kindness is possible because I accept responsibility for everything I create. I can be an ass to people, but the thing is, I will have to accept the consequences of being an ass. I would much rather experience the consequences of kindness... when it's warranted.

Yes, this.

I'll admit I can be quite mean when I want to, and was as a teenager- early twenties. At some point I chose to cultivate kindness because it felt better for me to be this way, as well as being a more pleasant way to conduct myself, and I enjoy making someone else feel good.

[CroMagna]

Cado,

How do you know all of this? Where are you getting this information from? Do you have evidence that what you say is true?

How do you know you're a "darkworker" (whatever that is)? How do you know you've "polarized"?

What measurable changes have you made in your life since you polarized? What tangible results have there been?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Cado,

How do you know all of this? Where are you getting this information from? Do you have evidence that what you say is true?

What do you mean by evidence?

I have countless sources which I can cite but if you're looking for solid scientific evidence, it's not going to happen. That's not because it's counter to science but because the scientific method is not calibrated to account for subtle phenomenon.

There are things in this world you can only know firsthand and darkworking is keen on accepting what can only be validated by experience. I can tell you how to trigger those experiences but I can't put it on display because it's not something that can be grasped or communicated via the intellect.

How do you know you're a "darkworker" (whatever that is)? How do you know you've "polarized"?

A stronger focus on self. A feeling that I'm drawing large amounts of energy from the environment and the people around me. The fact that when I focus I can draw more.

I'm not a lightworker. I never get anywhere when I act solely for another's sake. My path focuses on strength and self-reliance. I instinctively scoff at the notion of asking for anything.

I have the power to move the universe. This is not ego but a realization of the deeper self. To explain it isn't strictly possible but I've done the best to convey my insights here: Polarity Redux

What measurable changes have you made in your life since you polarized? What tangible results have there been?

More focus. More discipline. It's harder to intimidate me, easier for me to intimidate others. My kindness is actually more sincere as a lot of the pent of emotion which kept me from expressing it has dissipated as I've learned to use my emotions instead of repressing them. I'm more inclined to act instead of talking about acting.

If I hesitate, it winds me up a LOT more than it used to-there's enough of a flow that if I try to hinder it in any way, and I will if I cave to fear, it's highly destructive for me to do so, meaning my health (mental, physical, and spiritual) take a nosedive and I have to use my newfound discipline to undo the damage before it does me in.

I'm more creative, my intuition is stronger and it's easier to tap into it, my emotions are far more powerful to the point that I almost feel like I didn't know what emotion was prior to this-the list is quite long but those are the stand-outs to me. I think the most important one is that I can no longer tolerate sitting still nor can I accept begging for table scraps. I am worthy and I'll have what I desire. It is a burning drive, something that I have to honor if I'm to continue. That's the root of every other benefit I experience.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by pyrogen

Kindness is possible because I accept responsibility for everything I create. I can be an ass to people, but the thing is, I will have to accept the consequences of being an ass. I would much rather experience the consequences of kindness... when it's warranted.

Exactly. Myself, I rather like the inverted golden rule-"do unto others as they do unto you." That's worked very well in every circumstance I've applied it.

You know, it's funny that you say you have more issues with being able to trust people as I've had less. It might be due to personality differences. I'm finding, especially lately, that a lot of people are just as committed to my success as I am.

[jellybeanpimp]

Originally Posted by Cado

Exactly. Myself, I rather like the inverted golden rule-"do unto others as they do unto you." That's worked very well in every circumstance I've applied it.

You know, it's funny that you say you have more issues with being able to trust people as I've had less. It might be due to personality differences. I'm finding, especially lately, that a lot of people are just as committed to my success as I am.

But you still exist in a universe with laws that blindly apply to you. No one jumps off a cliff and doesn't get squashed flat like a pancake.

If you do to others what they do unto you, and they act badly towards you, you are still initiating an action - and likewise, you are still held responsible for this.

I'm coming from a purely karmic standpoint, but the same exists even with our system of law. Self defense doesn't fly too often. If you steal from someone because they stole from you, you are still guilty of stealing.

[jellybeanpimp]

And I will discuss this on as many threads as I have to until you renounce the dark side of the force!



p.s. I have no clue why this picture has a copied and pasted japanese woman in it lol

[Cado]

Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

But you still exist in a universe with laws that blindly apply to you. No one jumps off a cliff and doesn't get squashed flat like a pancake.

If you do to others what they do unto you, and they act badly towards you, you are still initiating an action - and likewise, you are still held responsible for this.

I'm coming from a purely karmic standpoint, but the same exists even with our system of law. Self defense doesn't fly too often. If you steal from someone because they stole from you, you are still guilty of stealing.

Where is this karmic law? Who enforces it? From what I have observed, firsthand and from others, it would appear that when they receive blowback from their actions it's because they invited it and not because a mystical force brought it back their way.

In other words if I punch somebody and I feel guilty about it I'm inviting negative consequences. Likewise, if I do it and I'm a-okay with it but I fail to account for the most likely pitfalls, I'm inviting the worst to come my way. If my intent aligns with my actions like an arrow nocked in a bow and I release it, taking care to cover my bases, then that's the end of it. Positive intent, negative intent, as long as I'm acting from a place of responsibility and I exercise discernment then I have nothing to worry about.

The idea of karmic law seems like it's based on what "should" be and not what is. This is all the more true when you look at people who rape and pillage, be it literal or metaphorical, and yet suffer no consequences for it. Like attracts like but it's subtler and more intelligent than "hit and you get hit". If it's possible to strike without drawing the same outcome to oneself then the reality which is like that intention will manifest.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

And I will discuss this on as many threads as I have to until you renounce the dark side of the force!



p.s. I have no clue why this picture has a copied and pasted japanese woman in it lol

Hahahaha! Yoda's a sexy *****. 'Course he's gonna have fangirl stalkers.

[jellybeanpimp]

Originally Posted by Cado

Where is this karmic law? Who enforces it? From what I have observed, firsthand and from others, it would appear that when they receive blowback from their actions it's because they invited it and not because a mystical force brought it back their way.

In other words if I punch somebody and I feel guilty about it I'm inviting negative consequences. Likewise, if I do it and I'm a-okay with it but I fail to account for the most likely pitfalls, I'm inviting the worst to come my way. If my intent aligns with my actions like an arrow nocked in a bow and I release it, taking care to cover my bases, then that's the end of it. Positive intent, negative intent, as long as I'm acting from a place of responsibility and I exercise discernment then I have nothing to worry about.

The idea of karmic law seems like it's based on what "should" be and not what is. This is all the more true when you look at people who rape and pillage, be it literal or metaphorical, and yet suffer no consequences for it. Like attracts like but it's subtler and more intelligent than "hit and you get hit". If it's possible to strike without drawing the same outcome to oneself then the reality which is like that intention will manifest.

Where is gravity? Where is the committee? Universal laws are universal laws. Just because you don't see someone experience the consequences of their actions, doesn't mean that they don't end up ultimately experiencing them. Actually, I'd be more inclined to say that most of the times, you can see the negative consequences of negative actions. It seems to be the minority of them that somehow dodge the karmic radar, and even then, there are plenty of future lifetimes that will allow you to experience any negativity you put out into this lifetime. Even if your intent is positive or neutral, you can still be held liable for actions that come about from something you don't do that you should have, and in this instance, you are not taking into account the greater impact of your actions. Just like a mother who leaves her kid in the car and then the kid dies. She should have known better, even though she didn't actually kill the kid. As a sane, able, and competent adult, you should be integrating the net effect on humanity into your actions, at least on some level. Not doing this, in and of itself, is very negative.

[pyrogen]

Originally Posted by Cado

Where is this karmic law? Who enforces it? From what I have observed, firsthand and from others, it would appear that when they receive blowback from their actions it's because they invited it and not because a mystical force brought it back their way.

In other words if I punch somebody and I feel guilty about it I'm inviting negative consequences. Likewise, if I do it and I'm a-okay with it but I fail to account for the most likely pitfalls, I'm inviting the worst to come my way. If my intent aligns with my actions like an arrow nocked in a bow and I release it, taking care to cover my bases, then that's the end of it. Positive intent, negative intent, as long as I'm acting from a place of responsibility and I exercise discernment then I have nothing to worry about.

The idea of karmic law seems like it's based on what "should" be and not what is. This is all the more true when you look at people who rape and pillage, be it literal or metaphorical, and yet suffer no consequences for it. Like attracts like but it's subtler and more intelligent than "hit and you get hit". If it's possible to strike without drawing the same outcome to oneself then the reality which is like that intention will manifest.

People are taking karma pretty literally. Even when I had it explained to me by a Tibetan monk, he explained it in terms of it being largely metaphoric or figurative... a way of illustrating that we're the cause of our own trouble, most of the time. Buddhism doesn't tend to take its own concepts as seriously as Western Buddhists tend to take them.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

Where is gravity? Where is the committee? Universal laws are universal laws. Just because you don't see someone experience the consequences of their actions, doesn't mean that they don't end up ultimately experiencing them. Actually, I'd be more inclined to say that most of the times, you can see the negative consequences of negative actions. It seems to be the minority of them that somehow dodge the karmic radar, and even then, there are plenty of future lifetimes that will allow you to experience any negativity you put out into this lifetime. Even if your intent is positive or neutral, you can still be held liable for actions that come about from something you don't do that you should have, and in this instance, you are not taking into account the greater impact of your actions. Just like a mother who leaves her kid in the car and then the kid dies. She should have known better, even though she didn't actually kill the kid. As a sane, able, and competent adult, you should be integrating the net effect on humanity into your actions, at least on some level. Not doing this, in and of itself, is very negative.

At that point it's so abstract as to be useless because it's impossible to predict what the outcome will be for anything you do. To me, this promotes a fear-based mindset of "Do good, whatever good may be, in the hope that maybe it will minimize your pain. Maybe."

Let's wind this all the way back. When everything was fresh and new, somebody had to hurt somebody else when there wasn't really a reason for it. The other person surely invited it, but that doesn't mean there was a moral quality to the action they took (or didn't, as the case may be).

**** happens. To everybody. One because there's always an element of chaos at work in our lives and two because we cannot account for everything that's happening unconsciously. The universe doesn't play favorites; the "wicked" only exist as a concept. If anything, the "moral guardian" version of karma has been perpetrated by them (those we might call evil) so the ones who pose an actual threat neuter themselves before they act out of fear of the potential repercussions.

Stated simply, I suffer as long as I invite suffering. I've never met an exception to that. **** still happens but it's entirely different from that vantage point than it is for someone who thinks they deserve it or that it's been inflicted on them.

[Cado]

I think this warrants a little more elaboration: why do I reject the notion of karma as a cosmic enforcer? Because it relies on so many unseen and unknown factors that it has to be taken on blind faith. The litmus test for truth is results. Whether it's a spiritual practice or a scientific theory, if I can't apply it and see the outcome within my lifetime it is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless.

Furthermore, the introduction of a system of morality which is inherent to the universe brings so many more complications into the fray. What is moral and what isn't? How is it determined? How can we possibly know? The idea that we bring it all on ourselves, good or bad, is so much simpler and it explains everything just as well without requiring a more complex law or an external gatekeeper.

Yes, as far as I see it, Occam's Razor applies just as well to certain spiritual ideas as it does to scientific hypotheses/theories. Mystics should be even more wary of what they accept than the skeptical materialist because it's so easy to let ourselves be fooled by what we want to be true and not what is.

[Plays With Life]

I know how a REAL darkworker acts. He's right here.

‪Judge Doom's Plot to Destroy Public Transit‬‏ - YouTube

Good thing we sidestepped that silly "highway" scheme.

[Somnium Dico]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

I know how a REAL darkworker acts. He's right here.

‪Judge Doom's Plot to Destroy Public Transit‬‏ - YouTube

Good thing we sidestepped that silly "highway" scheme.

Don't forget the most influential figure to all of us darkworkers, the true mastermind of the Left-Hand Path:

‪Snidely Whiplash: Bondage Practitioner‬‏ - YouTube

But seriously.

A lot of this topic seems to center around this very strange ideal: Lightworkers are about helping others and being, as the heading implies, "nice," so that must mean DARKWORKERS are the exact opposite and insist on doing nothing more than pissing on peoples' lives and being "mean." Can someone really view the world in such black-and-white terms?

Are you really that naive?

To those that wonder what I'm getting at, let me put it this way: What if it's not about what you do? What if it's about the REASON for WHY you do it?

Sure, action defines who you are to other people, but this isn't about how other people view you. It's about yourself, who YOU are. A Lightworker helps a child in need because they believe it's the right thing to do. A Darkworker may do it too, maybe because they have a soft-spot for children. Or maybe because helping others makes them feel good. Or perhaps they're hoping by helping this theoretical child, there may be some reward for doing so down the road.

But therein lies the major difference, in my eyes: A Lightworker does what a Lightworker believes is right, what is best for the world around them. A Darkworker does whatever they want to do, and only just. Not because of some system of "right and wrong," but because, at that moment, it seems like something they'd like to act upon.

Does this lead to hedonism? Sometimes, yes. To selfish action and possibly harm of themselves and others? Also, quite possible.

But it can also mean putting boundaries and limits on yourself based on what you think is healthy and/or respectable (what Cado and I would call a "Darkworker Honor Code"). To judge the entire polarity, and all those who reside in it (such as I) based on the "bad people" who fit in with Darkworkers is just insulting. Especially with the stalwart refusal to accept that bad, even terrible things can come of trying to help the people around you selflessly.

[jellybeanpimp]

Originally Posted by Somnium Dico

Don't forget the most influential figure to all of us darkworkers, the true mastermind of the Left-Hand Path:

‪Snidely Whiplash: Bondage Practitioner‬‏ - YouTube

But seriously.

A lot of this topic seems to center around this very strange ideal: Lightworkers are about helping others and being, as the heading implies, "nice," so that must mean DARKWORKERS are the exact opposite and insist on doing nothing more than pissing on peoples' lives and being "mean." Can someone really view the world in such black-and-white terms?

Are you really that naive?

To those that wonder what I'm getting at, let me put it this way: What if it's not about what you do? What if it's about the REASON for WHY you do it?

Sure, action defines who you are to other people, but this isn't about how other people view you. It's about yourself, who YOU are. A Lightworker helps a child in need because they believe it's the right thing to do. A Darkworker may do it too, maybe because they have a soft-spot for children. Or maybe because helping others makes them feel good. Or perhaps they're hoping by helping this theoretical child, there may be some reward for doing so down the road.

But therein lies the major difference, in my eyes: A Lightworker does what a Lightworker believes is right, what is best for the world around them. A Darkworker does whatever they want to do, and only just. Not because of some system of "right and wrong," but because, at that moment, it seems like something they'd like to act upon.

Does this lead to hedonism? Sometimes, yes. To selfish action and possibly harm of themselves and others? Also, quite possible.

But it can also mean putting boundaries and limits on yourself based on what you think is healthy and/or respectable (what Cado and I would call a "Darkworker Honor Code"). To judge the entire polarity, and all those who reside in it (such as I) based on the "bad people" who fit in with Darkworkers is just insulting. Especially with the stalwart refusal to accept that bad, even terrible things can come of trying to help the people around you selflessly.

The way I see darkworker/lightworker is like looking at a picture of a staircase. Does it lead up? Or does it lead down? I can paint a picture that makes it look like the stairs go down. Or I can paint a picture that makes it look like the stairs go up. Do they inherently go either way though? Not really. This is the concept of "the force" to me. And before the painting is even on canvas, I have to start with my intent. So I whole-heartedly agree with you there. Intent plays the biggest role in the painting. It is the painting, since technically the first place the painting existed was inside my mind.

Also, I'd like to add that ultimately, the darkworker's painting is of themselves. The lightworker painting is of everyone, including themselves. And that doesn't mean that everyone can't live in a nice house in the painting! Everyone always thinks that including others means poverty. It doesn't!

[elucidate]

Is it possible for a person to be a "switch", as in one day they do something that is aligned with lightworker values, and the next they do what they want and throw conventional morality out the window?

Does that mean that children are the ultimate darkworkers, because they tend to be spontaneous and do what they want in the moment without regards for others or morality...unless they have nazis for parents and they are trained to be "good" all the time?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Is it possible for a person to be a "switch", as in one day they do something that is aligned with lightworker values, and the next they do what they want and throw conventional morality out the window?

It doesn't work like that. Once polarization has taken hold everything aligns with that and you have to do something big to reverse the flow. I'm not talking about a darkworker helping a child, I'm talking about a darkworker selflessly putting themselves on the line for another even though their instincts would tell them to do otherwise. It's not something you could identify from the outside.

Myself, I'm most highly charged when I have something or someone to protect, but I have personal reasons for that; it's perfectly in alignment with my polarization to act as a guardian. For other darkworkers, or for me in a certain circumstance, they'd have to sacrifice everything they've worked for to put themselves in that position, thus causing a polarity shift.

Think of it in planetary terms-when the poles shift it isn't a non-event. It's hard for us to notice because it takes place over such a long period but if it happened instantly the earth would practically shake apart. That's what it looks and feels like in human terms.

The only time the kind of thing you're talking about is really possible is when you're not polarized. If you're not consistently going higher or deeper than the whole thing is moot.

[elucidate]

Ok, I think I understand a bit better now. Thanks.

[jellybeanpimp]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Is it possible for a person to be a "switch", as in one day they do something that is aligned with lightworker values, and the next they do what they want and throw conventional morality out the window?

Does that mean that children are the ultimate darkworkers, because they tend to be spontaneous and do what they want in the moment without regards for others or morality...unless they have nazis for parents and they are trained to be "good" all the time?

If anything, it's hard not to switch. You have to be commited to whatever polarity you choose. Speaking of stairs, a lot of people actually switch back and forth between what direction they view stairs as heading. I mean if you look at a picture of a staircase, you can literally sometimes feel your perception shift one way or the other.

Kids aren't really fully formed and even kids can have best friends and parents. There are definitely little darkworkers though! Some kids start showing some pretty good signs of what they're going to grow up to be at a very young age - kids torture animals, kids beat the heck out of other little kids. My niece is in 2nd grade and a fully formed terrorist child already beats up other little kids and steals their belongings!

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Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

If anything, it's hard not to switch. You have to be commited to whatever polarity you choose. Speaking of stairs, a lot of people actually switch back and forth between what direction they view stairs as heading. I mean if you look at a picture of a staircase, you can literally sometimes feel your perception shift one way or the other.

Kids aren't really fully formed and even kids can have best friends and parents. There are definitely little darkworkers though! Some kids start showing some pretty good signs of what they're going to grow up to be at a very young age - kids torture animals, kids beat the heck out of other little kids. My niece is in 2nd grade and a fully formed terrorist child already beats up other little kids and steals their belongings!

Yes, my brother was quite cruel to my cat and the dog as a child...and one friend of his was particularly vicious at school to other kids. I was mainly speaking of the trait of simply doing as they please though, not necessarily hurting anyone as such.

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Originally Posted by jellybeanpimp

Also, I'd like to add that ultimately, the darkworker's painting is of themselves. The lightworker painting is of everyone, including themselves. And that doesn't mean that everyone can't live in a nice house in the painting! Everyone always thinks that including others means poverty. It doesn't!

And why does everyone think that a painting of oneself precludes all others?

"I am a world before I am a man." I cannot exist without those around me. There's no avoiding this fundamental truth. Your personal sovereignty is not a threat to me, in fact it can be an asset. I don't really care if I'm above anyone, I only care that I'm not underneath someone else's heel. I'd rather command by respect than by brute intimidation.

I use the power I have and the power I gain to shape the world as I see fit. I am master of my reality-not me, the ego, but Me, the true Self which is uncovered in the darkness-and I choose to destroy the world that's based on lack and treachery. I choose honor because it's superior to chaos. I choose restraint because pure Darwinism is no better than living in the jungle. "My will be done" does not mean "Screw all of you", it only means that I'm 100% committed to my vision and completely uncompromising in that it will be carried out. If it's objectionable to you then there's conflict, if it's not then we're better off combining forces because whether we like it or not people are more effective in teams.

I'm slow to say what, exactly, it is to walk the lightworker's path because I don't really understand it. I can't without practicing it personally. Frankly it's damned offensive when somebody says darkworking is this or darkworking is that when they have no idea what they're talking about. You never see more than half the picture from the outside.

Yes, there are sociopaths who are darkworkers, but that's not the Left-Hand Path. It's similar to how some lightworkers are Christians but lightworking is not Christianity. That is one method of polarizing and working your way up. There are many, many ways to go down, and that means many, many things.

Some darkworkers deserve all the ire they stir in others and should be destroyed by the very anger they draw toward themselves. The rest? They are working toward empowerment and knowledge by focusing on their individuality and expressing their innate divinity within the world. We are gods (or we are becoming gods, depending on who you ask) and that means only that we have the courage to stand apart and follow our Will to the end. It demands nothing else; it's our choice how we use our power.