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Old 06-23-2011, 01:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Who in here wants to conquer the world?

Call me curious.

Most people here are looking for spiritual improvement, or achieving a inner state of happiness or whatnot. That's good, but not my primary focus. I'm calling out, those who crave massive success in the form of, well, luxury you might say.

From dating hot girls to driving fast cars and owning penthouses. Who in here wants to live the life?

EDIT: Btw. I'm not talking about wishing or daydreaming. I'm talking about being really commited to something like this.

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Call me curious.

Most people here are looking for spiritual improvement, or achieving a inner state of happiness or whatnot. That's good, but not my primary focus. I'm calling out, those who crave massive success in the form of, well, luxury you might say.

From dating hot girls to driving fast cars and owning penthouses. Who in here wants to live the life?

EDIT: Btw. I'm not talking about wishing or daydreaming. I'm talking about being really commited to something like this.

Have pretty and inspirational goals are nice. But having the right process that enabled one to be ahead of the curve is another. ..
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Have pretty and inspirational goals are nice. But having the right process that enabled one to be ahead of the curve is another. ..
Of course. Can't beat the game without a game plan.
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I'm honestly not looking for that at all.

I really would like a helicopter though. Can't explain why, it is what it is.
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Nope, everything I desire I can already give myself. It seems to me that the root of all my desires is love, and love is something I can choose to give myself.

"Can't beat the game without a game plan."

I feel that beating the game, is learning you don't have to play it.
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Of course. Can't beat the game without a game plan.
Think bigger. ... It is not just a gameplan. ... It is a macro plan that defines the guidelines for interpreting info, your priority objectives, your basic operational plan etc. It is a process.

Compass Rule: Planning is a process, not a by-product.

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Think bigger. ... It is not just a gameplan. ... It is a macro plan that defines the guidelines for interpreting info, your priority objectives, your basic operational plan etc. It is a process.

Compass Rule: Planning is a process, not a by-product.
Please, expand on that.
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What you want is no different than what everyone else wants. Why do you want the hot girls and penthouses?

Certianly not because you want to feel bad or guilty and have a life filled with emptiness. The whole point is because you think that kind of life will bring you exactly what those who come to this forum talk about ... happiness. Would you chase those goals, formulate a game-plan and truly pursue them if you knew they would bring misery and depression? Of course not. It's just that not everyone believes the joys of living require such things. Don't get me wrong. I don't see anything wrong with them per se. I just believe there are other things of greater value in life that will create a richer life than the wealth of the physical kind.

But to each his own! Good luck amassing an empire! I truly wish you luck. I sincerely believe the world needs the Bill Gates of the world. Look at what they provide! Their wealth is largely a reflection of the value they provide us. So go figure out what you can provide us with and provide it. We will pay you for it!

PS: Providing ignoble products to ignoble people can undermine the happiness you seek from the empire you plan to create. So as you plan a strategy for amassing wealth, be sure that it doesn't rob you of meaning or undercut conscience or compromise your honor and integrity. Remember, you will be stuck with the guy staring back at you from the mirror.
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I'd be interested in owning a small country. Does that count?
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I played around with having such aspirations but it always felt like a little boy's quest for power. "I want to have a trillion dollars, be the emperor of the world, and oh yeah, shoot fire out of my eyes."

Couldn't get excited about it for very long.
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I've always wanted to be a super-hero, James Bond-esque, not-attached-to-anything-but-can-get-it-if-need-be nomad, does that count?

And yes, I'm taking practical steps toward that archetype.
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I want to be an anti-conqueror mad-scientist, who will do things as inventing natural energy resources that will beat petrol usage, or brainwave-frequency machines that will calm down overly-greedy politicians, even if they have it in their DNA.
I'm not into lifestyle, but I do want the power to shape the world, and I'm already good into science. Fear me!
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Positive only on the fast cars and general luxury (comfortable living.) Other than the last thing I would wanna do is conquer the world. Every man for himself
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:19 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I want massive material wealth for two main reasons:

1. To have a freedom to do what I want to do without any concern about money whatsoever for myself. I want to meet a friend who's in London? I hop on a plane I'm there in few hours. I want to live somewhere warm? I get a villa in a nice place near the beach. I want to attend best universities and get ten degrees? I can do that. I want to run a research that could change the way humanity perceives the world? I don't need to beg for money, I can fund myself. You get the idea.

2. To have a freedom to help other people without any concern about money. Grandfather needs money to finish building a house? No problem. Mother likes seaside? Let's get her a flat there. Communities I'm involved in needs help? Let's get them anything they need. Projects I believe in would get results faster with more money? That's not a problem.You get the idea.

I don't feel very motivated to achieve what you would call massive financial success when I think only about myself, private jets and villas in different countries, since it would be nice, but it's not enough. However, what really motivates me is what I could do with the money once I got myself everything I want and I still have loads of money coming in every month. I already shared my views that lightworkers should aim for more money and power if they want to change the world faster. I think that making money for yourself is a pursuit of 20 somethings (I'm 21), which is normal since we need to get established in the "real world", but once you do make money for yourself, you have to move to the next step. Too bad that most people remain stuck in making money for themselves pursuit all their lives

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Yet it's very true what Steve said: the more you chase the money, the more it runs away from you. I guess I'll stop focusing on money and start focusing on doing what's really interesting to me more. I should at least be much happier
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I want to do something phenomenal, because I feel that I can. At this point I'm not sure what though. I'm going to be a world-class programmer, but the real question is what I can build that will really improve people's lives.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:50 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I see what you guys are hinting at.

According to Steve, I'm what you might call a darkworker. I don't intend to offend anyone, so bare with me.

The way I see it, people around here have a "Live, Love, Laugh" kind of purpose they say they want for themselves. All good. But where are the lofty goals? And I'm not even talking about money. Who wants to cure cancer? Who wants to be a billionaire? Who wants to be a world-class athlete?

Might be me, but it seems that some people around here have what I might call a wishy-washy way of thinking. "Think it, it will manifest itself" or something like that. I'm more of a believer that you get out what you put in. I'm not saying that being positive, doing what we love and so on is BS. It's just that it seems that the hard word part of the equation seemingly always gets left out.

It's probably my fault, but I can't understand average people talking about how the pursuit of money is a "boy's quest" or the logic that they use to process such things. I get it, it's not for everybody, but it seems that most people discredit it almost instanteneously.

I, for one, refuse to cover up my gigantic ambition with spiritual values. I'm not saying I'm going to be an unethical warlord or something. I'm just saying I want to enjoy the best the world has to offer ME. 1) I'm not ashamed of it and 2) I'm willing to push myself as hard as humanely possible to achieve that.

I actually thought there would be more people around with my line of thinking.
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I see what you guys are hinting at.

But where are the lofty goals? And I'm not even talking about money. Who wants to cure cancer? Who wants to be a billionaire? Who wants to be a world-class athlete?
I definitely have those kind of goals and am quietly working towards them. I think that might be the same with many people, no?

..it's simply that it's often better to keep ambitions like that to yourself and spend energy on actually pursuing those goals, not talking about them..
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I definitely have those kind of goals and am quietly working towards them. I think that might be the same with many people, no?

..it's simply that it's often better to keep ambitions like that to yourself and spend energy on actually pursuing those goals, not talking about them..
Derek Sivers gives a talk on this, where he says that talking about your goals decreases your motivation to actually achieve them.

For me personally, the lofty, far-off goals are not that motivating right now. The small steps are. I imagine that as my abilities progress my ambitions will grow naturally, but going with something that motivates me here and now is more important than setting a super-specific goal in the future.

Edit: there actually have been plenty of people coming through these forums who have stated big goals-like becoming a movie star-and *achieved* them.
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Derek Sivers gives a talk on this, where he says that talking about your goals decreases your motivation to actually achieve them.
I agree with that, because you get a very harsh opposition and you spend energy discussing your ideas with people who will never understand them instead of taking steps towards them.

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For me personally, the lofty, far-off goals are not that motivating right now. The small steps are. I imagine that as my abilities progress my ambitions will grow naturally, but going with something that motivates me here and now is more important than setting a super-specific goal in the future.
I have a general guidelines of very ambitious goals which I keep to myself and try to focus on steps in that direction, like making a blog a sustainable source of income, for example.

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Edit: there actually have been plenty of people coming through these forums who have stated big goals-like becoming a movie star-and *achieved* them.
Really? That would be really interesting, maybe you remember those thread and can actually link to them? There are so many people trying to achieve something, therefore it's refreshing to actually hear some succes stories
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Might be me, but it seems that some people around here have what I might call a wishy-washy way of thinking. "Think it, it will manifest itself" or something like that. I'm more of a believer that you get out what you put in. I'm not saying that being positive, doing what we love and so on is BS. It's just that it seems that the hard word part of the equation seemingly always gets left out.
Yep. The thing is you don't even have to visualize or any of that. If you are just 100% disciplined, then setting a quick goal is all you need. It's all about action output if you want to succeed in the world.

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It's probably my fault, but I can't understand average people talking about how the pursuit of money is a "boy's quest" or the logic that they use to process such things. I get it, it's not for everybody, but it seems that most people discredit it almost instanteneously.
I didn't just dismiss it. I said it was like a boys fantasy because when I experimented with this stuff, it seemed that way to me. I tried it out and set all the biggest insane goals I could to get myself psyched into wanting them. Ferrari's, mansions all across the world, billionaire and entrepreneur who changed the world. I did the vision board thing, I made a movie with all these beautiful luxurious pictures, I would write out my goals every day. After about three weeks of continually trying to make my goals more ambitious I realized I just don't care about these goals. If that's you're thing I'm not knocking it. Just ain't for me.

Instead of material goals I'm actively on my way to becoming enlightened which many will tell you is an even more ambitious and offensive goal than a quest for money and power.

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I actually thought there would be more people around with my line of thinking.
*Calling all darkworkers*
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I agree with that, because you get a very harsh opposition and you spend energy discussing your ideas with people who will never understand them instead of taking steps towards them.
Sivers actually claims that even if you're met with encouragement (or nothing) it'll reduce your motivation-psychologically, your brain starts to feel like you've already accomplished your task. I'm not sure if I completely agree with him-the energy gained from exciting conversations with others can offset the drain-but it's a point worth considering.

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Awesome . Keep at it!


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Really? That would be really interesting, maybe you remember those thread and can actually link to them? There are so many people trying to achieve something, therefore it's refreshing to actually hear some succes stories
Here's one from a guy who became a successful movie star and (I think) is now doing some TV roles in the USA: Finding Your Purpose From A Successful Movie Star

There are also some old threads in the "Business and Financial" section from people who've been successful in various businesses.

I believe SnerpGoodWord has been very successful in terms of finances and doing work he enjoys over the last two years.

Acting Like Godot has hundreds of little success stories, and if you add them up from 2006 to today it's astounding (though he was already doing quite well :P).

Personally, I switched to a job I really enjoy and nearly doubled my income in the last year ...and I'm on the verge of increasing it again.

There are huge numbers of success stories in these forums. The thing is, once people achieve a goal, they usually form a new one. So you'll mostly see people in the process of trying to achieve their next goal, rather than resting on their laurels . Plus they are mostly a lot of small incremental gains, not just one big success, which is why success stories may not stick out in this forum.
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Instead of material goals I'm actively on my way to becoming enlightened which many will tell you is an even more ambitious and offensive goal than a quest for money and power.
I think the only goal which is more ambitious is to become enlightened yourself and then to help all other living beings to become enlightened as well, which Mahayana Buddhism (which includes Tantrayana/Vajrayana Buddhism) is all about

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Call me curious.

Most people here are looking for spiritual improvement, or achieving a inner state of happiness or whatnot. That's good, but not my primary focus. I'm calling out, those who crave massive success in the form of, well, luxury you might say.

From dating hot girls to driving fast cars and owning penthouses. Who in here wants to live the life?

EDIT: Btw. I'm not talking about wishing or daydreaming. I'm talking about being really commited to something like this.
There is no limit in life. Anything can be done.
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From dating hot girls to driving fast cars and owning penthouses. Who in here wants to live the life?
Its not really my ultimate, but that's the best part of being individuals. We are all unique. I would prefer to start a self sustaining community close to mountains and ocean in northern nsw (oz)
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From dating hot girls to driving fast cars and owning penthouses. Who in here wants to live the life?
So this is purely men and non-heterosexual women we're talking about here?

A desire to conquer the world is fine, but about 25% of the people I know want to do it. Why the desire to concentrate more power? Why not a desire to share power and dilute it more?

Are cars and hot girls and owning fancy apartments fulfilling to you? Many people who live that kind of life feel empty. It doesn't have to be a spiritually, but emotionally as well. There's always a desire for more. It's an insatiable mindset, driven by the ego.

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Call me curious.

Most people here are looking for spiritual improvement, or achieving a inner state of happiness or whatnot. That's good, but not my primary focus. I'm calling out, those who crave massive success in the form of, well, luxury you might say.


EDIT: Btw. I'm not talking about wishing or daydreaming. I'm talking about being really commited to something like this.
OK... i'm in!........WHERE'S DA' GOLD?

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You can do it like Lady Gaga did.. just need to create stuff that is cool you know..
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My husband would definitely love to conquer the world and have millions if not billions of dollars. Not for fancy cars, hot women (hopefully ) and all that jazz. He thinks its the most logical way to change the world. Money=Power, sad but, depending on one's definition of power this statements is pretty true.

He could program a farming robot so that food could be free, mass public transportation, etc. Once the lower levels of Maslow's pyramid are taken care of then people would be more apt to focus on Awareness, right?

I wouldn't want to conquer the world. I wouldn't have any value to add to it at my current state of consciousness, and would probably do more harm than good with good intentions. Maybe once I reach Enlightenment and become and avatar of God then conquering the world would be a good idea. However, at the moment my only goals are to live a self sufficient that includes food, water, shelter, and internet.
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My husband would definitely love to conquer the world and have millions if not billions of dollars. Not for fancy cars, hot women (hopefully ) and all that jazz. He thinks its the most logical way to change the world. Money=Power, sad but, depending on one's definition of power this statements is pretty true.
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It looks like me and your husband have something in common

..not that I'm against fast cars or hot people
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