What are you a stand for?

[spacecadetglow]

Isn't she, though?!

Heh heh, I've jumped on ye olde avatar bandwagon...

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Angela

Chunking up means moving to a broader, higher, or bigger perspective, more towards the abstract, and chunking down means moving to a narrower, lower, or smaller perspective, more towards the details.

So, if I'm thinking about, oh, first thing that pops into my head is a movie: if I were to chunk up, it would be to: movie>entertainment>fun>joy. (Joy is pretty much as chunked up as I get, but each person's higher perspective is personal, so someone may chunk right up to God. That's the source of my joke about "One Chunk Up to God" -- someone who chunks up quickly might go: movie>God. )

And if I were to chunk down, it might be: movie>Inception>symbols>that little top thingy.

It can also mean chunking up/down on meanings: like, what's the meaning of my work? A chunked down meaning might be money, and a chunked up meaning might be contribution.

Chunked up or chunked down, they're all aspects of the truth, but sometimes understanding what another person is saying (or making yourself understood) can involve shifting perspective on it.

Sometimes being too focused on the details (chunked down) can result in overwhelm and it's helpful to chunk up, and sometimes being too focused on the abstractions can result in befuddlement and it can be helpful to chunk down.

See what I mean?

Looks like there more than one definition of chunking around here.
Chunking and how to play with it

Yours sounds like the NLP concept of nominalizations or transformational grammar.
Bigger perspective is cool as long as when it's chunked down there's real content.
Forests without trees--real bummer.

[Angela]

Yes, I am talking about the NLP function of chunking. I don't know what VinceG was talking about -- I didn't follow his threads.

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Angela

Yes, I am talking about the NLP function of chunking.

googled
"chunking"
About 503,000 results
"chunking nlp"
About 31,300 results

The word chunking comes from a famous 1956 paper by George A. Miller
Richard Wayne Bandler (born February 24, 1950) - co-inventor of Neuro-linguistic programming
(this is all wiki so ...)

I'm getting ever more intolerent of people hyjacking words.
I wish the NLP people would have done some research before using the word.

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[Angela]

Originally Posted by sorter

I'm getting ever more intolerent of people hyjacking words.
I wish the NLP people would have done some research before using the word.

That's too bad. Good luck with that!

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by James81

Ha! Mine is from Venice beach too and I also live on the east coast.

You look sexy in Venice.

Oh snap!

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

Isn't she, though?!

Heh heh, I've jumped on ye olde avatar bandwagon...

Is yours from Venice too?

[spacecadetglow]

No, only Floridian water could be that crisp and blue.

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's too bad. Good luck with that!

Har har har!

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

No, only Floridian water could be that crisp and blue.

so so true.

[Mounds]

In the past when I've used NLP chunking, I found it quite effective.
I wish there was something like an NLP textbook to give you a broad overview of all that NLP has to offer. I find that you basically need a library to cover all the gaps in your knowledge. Any suggestions Angela?

I'm getting ever more intolerent of people hyjacking words.
I wish the NLP people would have done some research before using the word.

<parody!> NLP is full of thieving bastards. At least when gangsters stole the words "dog" and "fat", they had the courtesy to change the wording to "dawg" and "phat", so that us middle to upper class citizens wouldn't get confused.
Since NLP is full of pirates and cutthroats, I'm going to go ahead and declare a new way of spelling "chunking" --- "chuncking". Problem solved. It's times like this that I can show the community just how valuable I am. </parody!>

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

In the past when I've used NLP chunking, I found it quite effective.
I wish there was something like an NLP textbook to give you a broad overview of all that NLP has to offer. I find that you basically need a library to cover all the gaps in your knowledge. Any suggestions Angela?

Yes! Call Michael Stevenson at Transform Destiny. He's got a ton of resources available, and one really great thing is that when you take one of his courses, even one of the little inexpensive online courses, I think, you get access to what actually IS a library of NLP and hypnosis info -- plus access to people at all levels of skill to practice and play with and to get advice from.

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Mounds

<parody!> NLP is full of thieving bastards. At least when gangsters stole the words "dog" and "fat", they had the courtesy to change the wording to "dawg" and "phat", so that us middle to upper class citizens wouldn't get confused.
Since NLP is full of pirates and cutthroats, I'm going to go ahead and declare a new way of spelling "chunking" --- "chuncking". Problem solved. It's times like this that I can show the community just how valuable I am. </parody!>

#! /usr/bin/perl -- -*- perl -*-
print STDOUT "Good luck with that!\n";
exit;

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Angela

Yes! Call Michael Stevenson at Transform Destiny. He's got a ton of resources available, and one really great thing is that when you take one of his courses, even one of the little inexpensive online courses, I think, you get access to what actually IS a library of NLP and hypnosis info -- plus access to people at all levels of skill to practice and play with and to get advice from.

Just having a gander at the website. I can get the Practitioner Home Study Program for $147 US!! Even if the course is half-ass (which by the sounds of it, it's not) that's still value.
It says by taking this course, you get access to an online Member's Only area. Would that be the library you are referring to?

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by Mounds

I'm going to go ahead and declare a new way of spelling "chunking" --- "chuncking". Problem solved. It's times like this that I can show the community just how valuable I am. </parody!>

[Angela]

Yes. Wow, that's an incredibly low price for what you get!

Maybe you'll choose at some point to do an in-person course -- if you do, let me know and I'll crash it!

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Just having a gander at the website. I can get the Practitioner Home Study Program for $147 US!! Even if the course is half-ass (which by the sounds of it, it's not) that's still value.
It says by taking this course, you get access to an online Member's Only area. Would that be the library you are referring to?

Unless you want to use NLP as a therapist, I suggest just reading the books.
You can skip the parts that aren't useful for you.

NLP has some issues in terms of PD, IMO.
Much of it is just plain manipulative especially if you're not a therapist.
People in sales and law enforcement love it.

Richard Bandler was accused, but acquitted of murder, possibly from lack of evidence.
Bandler got into a legal battle with Grinder.
Not conclusive but it gives me pause.

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[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by Mounds

<parody!> NLP is full of thieving bastards. At least when gangsters stole the words "dog" and "fat", they had the courtesy to change the wording to "dawg" and "phat", so that us middle to upper class citizens wouldn't get confused.
Since NLP is full of pirates and cutthroats, I'm going to go ahead and declare a new way of spelling "chunking" --- "chuncking". Problem solved. It's times like this that I can show the community just how valuable I am. </parody!>

Freakin' classic.

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

I am a stand for beautiful women!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

I am a stand for beautiful women!

Hey, I think Mounds is, too -- already you have a movement!

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Angela

Hey, I think Mounds is, too -- already you have a movement!

Aye! I am too!

Hey pretty Angela! You're part of what I stand for.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by sorter

Unless you want to use NLP as a therapist, I suggest just reading the books.
You can skip the parts that aren't useful for you.

NLP has some issues in terms of PD, IMO.
Much of it is just plain manipulative especially if you're not a therapist.
People in sales and law enforcement love it.

Richard Bandler was accused, but acquitted of murder, possibly from lack of evidence.
Bandler got into a legal battle with Grinder.
Not conclusive but it gives me pause.

.

Well, I'm not that green with NLP. I use it quite often, if inconsistently. Currently I know bits and pieces but I don't have an overview. That's what I'm after. If I can get that and more for $150, that's a bargain
I don't know if I'd say that NLP is employed in sales so much. I've read some sales books just to get an idea of salesmen tactics and I never really thought of it that way. They definitely play on your psychology though. If you want to save money, read some of those books.

Maybe you'll choose at some point to do an in-person course -- if you do, let me know and I'll crash it!

Lol, sounds good. I'll make my way to Cali eventually. Maybe I'll hit an Concious Growth Workshop and visit California in the same trip.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Well, I'm not that green with NLP. I use it quite often, if inconsistently. Currently I know bits and pieces but I don't have an overview. That's what I'm after. If I can get that and more for $150, that's a bargain
I don't know if I'd say that NLP is employed in sales so much. I've read some sales books just to get an idea of salesmen tactics and I never really thought of it that way. They definitely play on your psychology though. If you want to save money, read some of those books.

A lot of sales people use it -- and politicians! Obama used it a lot in his speeches; I understand his chief speech writer is a trained practitioner. NLP is in general usage such that many people who use it don't know it's NLP they're using. It's great to know about the tools consciously so that you're aware when someone is influencing you and why.

It's also great for addressing your own buying strategies. For instance, when I examined my own buying strategy, I found it was missing a rather important step -- evaluating the price! D'oh!

Lol, sounds good. I'll make my way to Cali eventually. Maybe I'll hit an Concious Growth Workshop and visit California in the same trip.

I understand Steve's not planning any more CGW's, but maybe now that all his stuff is in the public domain, someone else will pick up the gauntlet. Meanwhile, you will be warmly welcomed anytime you want to visit the OC.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by sorter

NLP has some issues in terms of PD, IMO.
Much of it is just plain manipulative especially if you're not a therapist.
People in sales and law enforcement love it.

Richard Bandler was accused, but acquitted of murder, possibly from lack of evidence.
Bandler got into a legal battle with Grinder.
Not conclusive but it gives me pause.

There are a couple of classic NLP influence techniques, by the way, at work here in this post (although I don't know if sorter did it on purpose or not).

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Angela

There are a couple of classic NLP influence techniques, by the way, at work here in this post (although I don't know if sorter did it on purpose or not).

Not intentionally. Maybe I learned it (in the 80s) more than I know.

Which techniques? I gots to know.

I've used chunking (in the NLP sense) extensively.
I messed with mirroring and watching eye behavior in others
but it felt manipulative and I'm guessing no matter how good one gets at, others will sense something is up.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by sorter

Not intentionally. Maybe I learned it (in the 80s) more than I know.

Which techniques? I gots to know.

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

I've used chunking (in the NLP sense) extensively.
I messed with mirroring and watching eye behavior in others
but it felt manipulative and I'm guessing no matter how good one gets at, others will sense something is up.

I think it tends to feel manipulative when it's used in a manipulative way, that is, a win/lose way. That's not the only way one can use NLP techniques, or any other techniques for that matter, of course. It can be quite playful and win/win, too. People tend to enjoy being in rapport with you -- it feels good -- it's not like you're hurting people by getting into rapport. And if for some reason it doesn't feel right to them, if they don't want to be in rapport with you, it's a simple matter to break it, even if you don't know what you're doing consciously. People do it automatically; they're unconscious minds protect them in very subtle ways.

I'm often amazed at how blatant and brazen I can be without people "sensing something is up" -- that is, feeling uncomfortable or suspicious.

[Angela]

Ooops! We got a little off-topic there! I am a stand for win/win outcomes.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

I am a stand for beautiful women!

Me too.

I am beautiful...so what?

I am also a stand for honesty and freedom(as I define it).