What are you a stand for?

[James81]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

What's wrong with simply being who you are?

Well, who are you?

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

Concepts, to me, have no look, no feel. They are not concrete. Hence, again, I can't answer these questions, even for myself.
Being, to me, means exactly that--Being. Not being this or being that, but just BEING. Why the necessity to ascribe qualities it? Why the necessity to be a concept? What's wrong with simply being who you are?

Perhaps, that neither Angela nor LoA concepts can answer these questions directly, this is the reason why I'm so utterly befuddled by Angelese.

I generally get confused from abstract concepts like this. When I do get to the point of understanding, I miss the point.
I'm a stand for... fine cooking, fine women and fine cigars.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

.. is there any reason why you can't just put it that way?

I'm sure there is an infinite variety of ways I can put it.

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

By being a stand, you ARE being who you are! If who you are is Truth, and who I am is Imagination, we are both being who we are AND being a stand at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive by any means, in fact, they are one in the same.

You mean Truth is Imagination?

*sigh* More confusion.

I rather like Angelese because, even if she's relating concepts I already know intuitively in her own beguiling style, she allows me to understand and experience myself all over again, but in a slightly new way.

Not for me, not at all.

I think I'm just going to bow out of this thread as graciously as I can. Feels like I'm the only English speaker in a bar full of Greeks.

[sorter]

Originally Posted by Mounds

I generally get confused from abstract concepts like this. When I do get to the point of understanding, I miss the point.

Yeah, not concrete enough for me and apparently for others since a lot of the thread is about clarifying.

And it sounds like using different words when we already have words that mean the same thing.

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[James81]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

I think I'm just going to bow out of this thread as graciously as I can. Feels like I'm the only English speaker in a bar full of Greeks.

Don't bow out yet. I wanna know who you are. (seriously)

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by James81

Well, who are you?

This is a good question.

Currently, being so interested in Ramana Maharshi as I am, I would respond by saying, "Exactly!"

Otherwise, and just being Who I am at this point, I can only respond by saying that I am Who I am. It is you who seek definitions and qualities.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by solipsist

feels like i'm the only english speaker in a bar full of greeks.

προχωρούν με καλή υγεία!

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by Angela

προχωρούν με καλή υγεία!

LOL

Seriously, this makes about as much sense to me as Angelese.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

Otherwise, and just being Who I am at this point, I can only respond by saying that I am Who I am. It is you who seek definitions and qualities.

Are you saying that you are whoever you need to be in the moment in which you are being it?

[James81]

Originally Posted by Angela

προχωρούν με καλή υγεία!

Translation: "Solipsist, be-beingGONE!"

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by James81

Are you saying that you are whoever you need to be in the moment in which you are being it?

No. I am saying that I simply am, right now. In some other moment, I will still be what I am.

[Angela]

Actually, I think it translates as: "Go with good health!"

[James81]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

No. I am saying that I simply am, right now. In some other moment, I will still be what I am.

Is there any way you could expound on this? I'd like to understand what you mean by it. I don't think I need definition to it per se, but, rather, perhaps just expanding on what this means to you.

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

You mean Truth is Imagination?

*sigh* More confusion.

No...I'm not sure how you concluded that from what I said? lol, sorry.

Okay, let's say I'm all jazzed up writing a new song. I'm writing frantically in my notebook, scribbling lyrics, trying out different melodies, thinking of rhyming words. Singing out syllables to get the feel of where the song wants to go, what vowels it wants in it. In those moments, I am being Imagination. And if you wanted to take it one step further, let's say instead of songwriting on my own, I'm playing guitar in a big group jam. I play one riff, which the keyboardist picks up and tweaks. The drummer feels the rhythm of my riff and adjusts his beat. In those moments, we are all being Imagination for each other, each of us generating Imagination for ourselves AND for each other.

Is this the only way to generate Imagination? No, of course not, but this is how I've defined it for myself.

You don't *need* to align yourself with the intellectual concept in order to hear the music, but it can be helpful in a defining-your-values and consciously focusing on them sort of way.

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by James81

Is there any way you could expound on this? I'd like to understand what you mean by it. I don't think I need definition to it per se, but, rather, perhaps just expanding on what this means to you.

That's just it, James, it doesn't mean anything but exactly what it says--I am.

I suppose that I could add that awareness of what I am may expand. But What I am never changes.

I also suppose that I could add that What I am is What you are, What All is. That's Oneness, to me--One Reality, One Self.

I'll also add that I've enjoyed your questions thoroughly. Just wanted to say that before I bow out.

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

No...I'm not sure how you concluded that from what I said? lol, sorry.

Okay, let's say I'm all jazzed up writing a new song. I'm writing frantically in my notebook, scribbling lyrics, trying out different melodies, thinking of rhyming words. Singing out syllables to get the feel of where the song wants to go, what vowels it wants in it. In those moments, I am being Imagination. And if you wanted to take it one step further, let's say instead of songwriting on my own, I'm playing guitar in a big group jam. I play one riff, which the keyboardist picks up and tweaks. The drummer feels the rhythm of my riff and adjusts his beat. In those moments, we are all being Imagination for each other, each of us generating Imagination for ourselves AND for each other.

Is this the only way to generate Imagination? No, of course not, but this is how I've defined it for myself.

You don't *need* to align yourself with the intellectual concept in order to hear the music, but it can be helpful in a defining-your-values and consciously focusing on them sort of way.

To this, I would say that you were "generating" (no doubt, another Angelese term, so apologies if I use the dictionary definition) a lot more than imagination. What about creativity? Beauty? Why limit such talent to a mere concept, when you're simply being Who You are, when you play or write music?

This is one of the reasons why I and so many others enjoy simply listening to music, and why I so greatly admire you for your talent--because it is a pure, unadulterated, untainted expression of Who You are, regardless of what concept you want to ascribe to it. And Who I am connects with that, and shares in the beauty and joy of that.

Values are another issue, entirely, and I fear that I may have already derailed this thread, so again, I'll bid aux revoir from it.

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

To this, I would say that you were "generating" (no doubt, another Angelese term, so apologies if I use the dictionary definition) a lot more than imagination. What about creativity? Beauty? Why limit such talent to a mere concept, when you're simply being Who You are, when you play or write music?

This is one of the reasons why I and so many others enjoy simply listening to music, and why I so greatly admire you for your talent--because it is a pure, unadulterated, untainted expression of Who You are, regardless of what concept you want to ascribe to it. And Who I am connects with that, and shares in the beauty and joy of that.

Values are another issue, entirely, and I fear that I may have already derailed this thread, so again, I'll bid aux revoir from it.

Well, even though you may not see this, I'll respond in case anyone else is interested in the exchange.

I don't think there's any conflict here between what you're saying and what Angela/James/me are saying.

You make a good point that Beauty and Creativity are also being expressed (and thanks for the compliments), but there's no rule that says you can't be a stand for multiple things at once! The concept isn't limiting at all, for me, but no worries if it doesn't work for you. I think you do understand what we're saying, in your own way.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

That's just it, James, it doesn't mean anything but exactly what it says--I am.

I suppose that I could add that awareness of what I am may expand. But What I am never changes.

I also suppose that I could add that What I am is What you are, What All is. That's Oneness, to me--One Reality, One Self.

I'll also add that I've enjoyed your questions thoroughly. Just wanted to say that before I bow out.

I enjoyed yourself. (Haha, I started to correct that "yourself" to "your answers" but given your explanation, I decided to leave it.)

Seems you've got a pretty zoomed out focus going on there. Who You Are is All There Is. Kind of reminds me of the concepts presented in Conversations With God in a way.

Me? I like to zoom out and zoom in at different times. Sometimes I like to touch the oneness of everything (which seems to open up compassion and empathy and understanding in me), and other times I like to zoom in on a particular focus, which gives me a different experience...a more *focused* experience through which I can experiently explore myself.

I like the zoom zoom zoom (and the boom boom boom nowt hat I think about it...*winkey face to all teh ladiez* ).

[relaXman]

As some friends told,

even though it seems nice concept
this thread is not enough concrete for me, I tried to read and I am confused ,

what are you a stand for ?
"God "

[Angela]

James, I think you may have nailed the struggle Solipsist sometimes does with some of the things I say: he's often looking at my relatively chunked-down descriptions through a very chunked-up lens, and so of course it befuddles him. It's like trying to read a book while wearing your distance glasses, or trying to follow a movie through your reading glasses.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by relaXman

As some friends told,

even though it seems nice concept
this thread is not enough concrete for me, I tried to read and I am confused ,

what are you a stand for ?
"God "

Too chunked-down for some, too chunked up for others!

Have you seen my new book, "One Chunk Up to God"?

[Criseyde]

What I don't get is the concept of chunking. Hopeless, over here!

[James81]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

What I don't get is the concept of chunking. Hopeless, over here!

The concept of chunking is too chunked up for you.

[James81]

If you say your beach av is on the east coast, then everytime we post back to back it could be like sleepless in seatle all up in here.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

What I don't get is the concept of chunking. Hopeless, over here!

Not hopeless, just a little jargony.

Chunking up means moving to a broader, higher, or bigger perspective, more towards the abstract, and chunking down means moving to a narrower, lower, or smaller perspective, more towards the details.

So, if I'm thinking about, oh, first thing that pops into my head is a movie: if I were to chunk up, it would be to: movie>entertainment>fun>joy. (Joy is pretty much as chunked up as I get, but each person's higher perspective is personal, so someone may chunk right up to God. That's the source of my joke about "One Chunk Up to God" -- someone who chunks up quickly might go: movie>God. )

And if I were to chunk down, it might be: movie>Inception>symbols>that little top thingy.

It can also mean chunking up/down on meanings: like, what's the meaning of my work? A chunked down meaning might be money, and a chunked up meaning might be contribution.

Chunked up or chunked down, they're all aspects of the truth, but sometimes understanding what another person is saying (or making yourself understood) can involve shifting perspective on it.

Sometimes being too focused on the details (chunked down) can result in overwhelm and it's helpful to chunk up, and sometimes being too focused on the abstractions can result in befuddlement and it can be helpful to chunk down.

See what I mean?

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by James81

If you say your beach av is on the east coast, then everytime we post back to back it could be like sleepless in seatle all up in here.

Awww, no, it was taken at Venice Beach. But I live on the east coast, so we could pretend...

Originally Posted by Angela

See what I mean?

Yes, I do! Thank you!

[Angela]

So cute! I am a stand for cute!

[BecaDK]

Greetings from Puerto Rico, I stand for true justice and ultimate truth.

[James81]

Ha! Mine is from Venice beach too and I also live on the east coast.

You look sexy in Venice.