Mini-Steve Pavlina's

[Mounds]

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Ever seen this phenomenon? Someone gets wildly popular and look-alikes start popping up? Neil Strauss talked about it in "The Game" where people began to look like him and act like him in order to pick up girls.
Once in a while, I swear I see it on the boards, except it's mini-Steve Pavlina's. Vegan, starting blogs, hating on religion and jobs. It gives me the creeps.
Am I seeing things or is this actually going on?

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[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Am I seeing things or is this actually going on?</carefully crafting words to avoid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥>

You are seeing things that are actually going on, and you're telling yourself a creepy story about those things.

[spacecadetglow]

I feel ya, Mounds. It's the Borg. Pod people. Kool-aid drinkers.

"To be nobody-but-yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." --e.e. cummings. This quote is my life.

[James81]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

I feel ya, Mounds. It's the Borg. Pod people. Kool-aid drinkers.

"To be nobody-but-yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." --e.e. cummings. This quote is my life.

I kinda like this quote myself:

When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. --Lao Tzu

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

I feel ya, Mounds. It's the Borg. Pod people. Kool-aid drinkers.

Lol, that's one way of putting it .

I truly enjoy having a flawed character. That makes you who you are. I like getting creeped out when the mini-Steve's come out to play. They're like Oompa-Loompa's in Steve's personal development factory.
Of course, we wouldn't want to get sued for using the name Oompa-Loompa. How about the Stevie Peevies?

"Stevie Peevie, diggery-do,
We'll get the gremlins out of you!"

Hopefully it doesn't end like "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"... (not safe for young ears or work)

-Tim

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Lol, that's one way of putting it .

I truly enjoy having a flawed character. That makes you who you are. I like getting creeped out when the mini-Steve's come out to play. They're like Oompa-Loompa's in Steve's personal development factory.
Of course, we wouldn't want to get sued for using the name Oompa-Loompa. How about the Stevie Peevies?

"Stevie Peevie, diggery-do,
We'll get the gremlins out of you!"

Hopefully it doesn't end like "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"... (not safe for young ears or work)

-Tim

LMAO. Look out, there's a Stevie Peevie crawling under your desk! And that one didn't come from your bug collection...

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

"Stevie Peevie, diggery-do,
We'll get the gremlins out of you!"

Steve doesn't ever talk about gremlins. I'd be surprised if he's ever used the word, except to talk about that movie, and he doesn't have much to say about limiting beliefs, let alone identity-level limiting beliefs, except to route them to Morty.

Who, specifically, do you see as a mini-Steve? Whoever they are, why are you not taking up your concerns with them directly, seeking resolution or understanding, instead of whining and taking pot-shots? I think speaking openly and directly would be a lot more courageous and effective.

By whining I mean: complaining to people who are not in a position to make a positive change, in a way that makes no positive difference.

[James81]

Maybe he meant to say "Mini-Angelas."

[Angela]

Originally Posted by James81

Maybe he meant to say "Mini-Angelas."

That sounds like a yummy treat.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Angela

That sounds like a yummy treat.

Prolly goes great with whip cream and strawberries.

[Mounds]

Steve doesn't ever talk about gremlins. I'd be surprised if he's ever used the word, except to talk about that movie, and he doesn't have much to say about limiting beliefs, let alone identity-level limiting beliefs, except to route them to Morty.

I just said it cause it rhymed

Who, specifically, do you see as a mini-Steve? Whoever they are, why are you not taking up your concerns with them directly, seeking resolution or understanding, instead of whining and taking pot-shots? I think speaking openly and directly would be a lot more courageous and effective.

It's not something I'm looking to solve for others, it's just an observation. When people become popular or powerful, others will follow. Look at some of the more visible celebrities. I've met my share of Paris Hilton look-alikes and it gives me the creeps too!
Looking at it from a different angle, it could very well be an illusion too. It might look as if there are oodles of vegan bloggers who happen to like SR or it could be that vegans, bloggers and people who like SR are attracted to this blog and I read too many threads, melding everything together. Or it's both!
There are definitely allergies to certain topics though. After a while, I wonder, "Is this the person's actual opinion or is this the opinion they have because they feel pressured by the group?".

-Tim

[cortocabezas1111]

i like this thread. it reminds me of all those people who just blindly agree with whatever steve pavlina says and defend him to the death.

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by Mounds

They're like Oompa-Loompa's in Steve's personal development factory.
Of course, we wouldn't want to get sued for using the name Oompa-Loompa. How about the Stevie Peevies?

LMFAO. I want choreographed dancing.

"Stevie Peevie, diggery-do,
We'll get the gremlins out of you!"

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

How about:

"Stevie Peevie what do you think?
subjective reality makes a big stink"

[spacecadetglow]

I don't think Mounds is "whining" at all (otherwise we'd all hear angelic music pouring from the clouds and such, as this is what happens when Mounds opens his mouth!) but rather having some tongue-in-cheek fun while making an observation.

Funsies, anyone? ANYONE?!!/!?

This thread made me laugh and is therefore making a positive difference.

[James81]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

I don't think Mounds is "whining" at all (otherwise we'd all hear angelic music pouring from the clouds and such, as this is what happens when Mounds opens his mouth!) but rather having some tongue-in-cheek fun while making an observation.

Funsies, anyone? ANYONE?!!/!?

I can see how his fun might not occur as fun to some people though. Jokes and fun at other peoples expense are never really fun. (ask me how I know this )

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by James81

I can see how his fun might not occur as fun to some people though. Jokes and fun at other peoples expense are never really fun. (ask me how I know this )

I beg to differ. Jokes at other people's expense are the best type of fun! I've never laughed harder!

[LostMyMap]

Originally Posted by James81

I can see how his fun might not occur as fun to some people though. Jokes and fun at other peoples expense are never really fun. (ask me how I know this )

Feeling a little defensive there James? How do you know this has anything to do with you?

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by Mounds

It's not something I'm looking to solve for others, it's just an observation. When people become popular or powerful, others will follow. Look at some of the more visible celebrities. I've met my share of Paris Hilton look-alikes and it gives me the creeps too!

I have never read a single post on Steve's subforum or blog as far as I remember, and he was not the reason I joined here. Yet, everyone has different reasons or triggers for joining here. I know, mimicry is not the path to mastery, but if it helps people grow somehow, why not. Eventually they may find their own style.

By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by LostMyMap

Feeling a little defensive there James? How do you know this has anything to do with you?

I suspect he's speaking from his experience as a joker rather than as a jokee. He's had the experience of the impact on himself and on others of using win/lose humor. Right, James?

[James81]

Originally Posted by LostMyMap

Feeling a little defensive there James? How do you know this has anything to do with you?

I don't think this has to do with me at all. I was just relating my experience, as Angela said, to that of being the joker...it's fun and funny until someone gets hurt by it, and then it's not so funny anymore. And interesting enough, when that happens, it activates instances where I've been the jokee as well.

Kind of an ugly cycle.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by metamorph

By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

In my experience imitation doesn't work to cultivate wisdom. Imitators don't know why they do what they do. They miss the forest for the trees. They often fail to capture the true spirit of their gurus.

Reflection doesn't work either. Reflection presents a range of opportunities and a range of arguments both pro and con for those opportunities. It's impossible to determine for sure which argument is correct by reflection alone. The universe has infinite possibilities and everytime someone tells me one option I think of ten more that they're ignoring, and a hundred valid reasons why their option could be said to be wrong or bad and the others said to be superior.

Experience works, but it is bitterest. Lessons learned by experience penetrate deeply and give powerful context and perspective. This is the only way to really learn. If you badly want to learn, like you have an unquenchable thirst to know the truth, then experience is ultimately the only solution. The other two are like drinking from thimbles, while experience is like submerging your entire body into the ocean.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by metamorph

..everyone has different reasons or triggers for joining here....

Exactly. It's not hard to see where someone who wants to be more vegan/bloggy/religion-or-job haty or any other aspect they see here would want to model themselves in some area or areas on Steve. It makes sense to model someone who's doing what you want to do excellently. And it's also not hard to see where people who are already doing lots of this stuff would want to hang around with other people with the same interests. So far, I've only seen one person who seemed to really go all Single White Female about Steve, and that didn't last; he seems to have moved on.

[LostMyMap]

Originally Posted by James81

I don't think this has to do with me at all. I was just relating my experience, as Angela said, to that of being the joker...it's fun and funny until someone gets hurt by it, and then it's not so funny anymore. And interesting enough, when that happens, it activates instances where I've been the jokee as well.

Kind of an ugly cycle.

"Jokes and fun at other peoples expense bla bla " - usually said by the jokeees.

Mounds always seems to activate something in you. Take him less seriously.

Then you will live in happiness too,
Just like the Oompa Loompa Loompity Do!

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by yossarian

In my experience imitation doesn't work to cultivate wisdom. Imitators don't know why they do what they do. They miss the forest for the trees. They often fail to capture the true spirit of their gurus.

Reflection doesn't work either. Reflection presents a range of opportunities and a range of arguments both pro and con for those opportunities. It's impossible to determine for sure which argument is correct by reflection alone. The universe has infinite possibilities and everytime someone tells me one option I think of ten more that they're ignoring, and a hundred valid reasons why their option could be said to be wrong or bad and the others said to be superior.

Experience works, but it is bitterest. Lessons learned by experience penetrate deeply and give powerful context and perspective. This is the only way to really learn. If you badly want to learn, like you have an unquenchable thirst to know the truth, then experience is ultimately the only solution. The other two are like drinking from thimbles, while experience is like submerging your entire body into the ocean.

Quote was by Confuzius, not me

I largely agree with you, but I think imitation and reflection can work up to a certain point (far from wisdom I admit) for some people.

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by LostMyMap

Then you will live in happiness too,
Just like the Oompa Loompa Loompity Do!

There we go. Hairpats. Smooth soothing.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by metamorph

Quote was by Confuzius, not me

I largely agree with you, but I think imitation and reflection can work up to a certain point (far from wisdom I admit) for some people.

I think they can work at getting certain results.

But I don't think they give wisdom.

[Mounds]

Just kick back and relax a little, guys. I mean, if no one is doing what I am suggesting, then no one should be offended either. Not the Oompa-Loompa's, not the Steevie Peevies, not anyone. I'm poking fun at a theoretical person here, not individuals.
It's kind of like I made up an alien with his testicles on his chin (Ballchinian from Men in Black ) and said, "Wouldn't that look funny?!?". Then I get in trouble because it's offensive to the theoretical alien. Chillax. No one is going to turn to stone if they read something they don't like.
Would this thread the same way if I'd poked fun of religious fanatics? I see that all the time on here and no one seems to care.

-Tim

[spacecadetglow]

One word: butthurt.

[st33med]

I look somewhat like Steve, but I ain't Steve.