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10-31-2010, 12:46 PM
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  |  The decision to go lightworker / darkworker The decision to go lightworker: CONTEXT. I'm a cell in the greater body of humanity, and I was created for a function that serves the greater body. My highest identity is as part of a larger whole, so my greatest self honour is to honour the greater body, and my greatest happiness. CONCLUSION. As my own benefit is assured by serving the highest good anyway, I'll put the majority of my focus on serving others. The decision to go darkworker: CONTEXT ??? CONCLUSION. The best service to others comes from being the best self I can be anyway, so I'll put the majority of my focus on service to self. Can anyone fill in the blank? |
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10-31-2010, 06:06 PM
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I could see a group of lightworkers operating as a unit and a darkworker overseeing it, reaping the benefits. | |
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10-31-2010, 06:17 PM
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 Or the anus... depends on the darkworker. | |
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10-31-2010, 07:58 PM
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It'd be very interesting to set up a survey where people who are darkworkers and lightworkers submit the top 5 things they intend to manifest using the law of attraction - but away from the forums so as not to be influenced by prior responses - then to compare the two lists.
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11-01-2010, 02:03 AM
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11-01-2010, 02:13 AM
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I have free will and the environment has free will but I can only control myself and how i respond to the environment, only I can experience my joy and suffering, I experience others joy when I have caused it, I experience others suffering when i have caused it.
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11-01-2010, 02:17 AM
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Meaning is something we make, it's what we humans do. There is no inherent meaning to anything. It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't mean anything that it doesn't mean anything. --Angela | |
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11-01-2010, 06:07 AM
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11-01-2010, 07:44 AM
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I don't think it's the right way to frame it if we're talking about how it starts. The word service plays no part in it. Indeed, there's really no point where service is ever an essential word in the darkworker's vocabulary, that's more or less something that lightworkers would attribute to us. Service to self... This is the path of sacrifice of self to self so it's kind of like that, enough that I'll use those words, but it's not wholly accurate. In the beginning there's you. Perhaps you become your singular focus by tragedy; someone walks all over you, treats you like dirt and leave you at the side of the road. Maybe you lost someone dear to you and all your assumptions about life have gone out the window. Maybe you're an emo git who's never had it rough but you're angry at the world and you're frustrated because you don't know why and you don't know what to do about it. You could also be living a life that's so fulfilling and so joyous that when you take a moment to reflect on yourself you catch a glimpse of something marvelous, something which defies comprehension and entices you to explore its mystery. Either way, in that moment there's only you. From there your perception expands to include aspects of the world in relation to yourself. In pursuit of self-knowledge you fight the world, you aid the world, and you claim enemies and allies as you push forward. It doesn't matter how or why you started, this is inevitable. Any life worth living will have its share of conflict and it's up to every darkworker to decide how they'll deal with it. So if I were to fill in the blank, it would go something like this: There is something magnificent inside of me that I've seen before but only now remember. This is me and this is all I need; I can have happiness in this world but only with this at the center. Conclusion: I will live for myself because I'm in love with life and I wish to taste all her fruits while I have the time to do so. Helping people can and often is part of it, yes. I have a lot of love for humanity despite some of what I say, indeed much of what I say is out of love. But there's no obligation. You understand that-what I'm saying is that you never focus on it, not where I'm at anyway. It's never my agenda; when it happens it's because it makes me feel good, my code of honor compels me to action, I mean to get something by giving, etc. (The line does get blurry when, say, you're in love and a woman's smile makes your lips curve in turn. I'd guess lightworkers would say the same-they probably derive so much from those connections that it feels selfish.) The world is my oyster and I'm glad to share my happiness when I'm in the company of kindred souls. And as for serving myself, I understand your choice of words and concede that while it's mostly accurate I don't think of myself as serving anyone. Service is very much a lightworker term, no? And I know when it comes time for self to sacrifice to self whatever is being sacrificed doesn't bow, it always dies on its feet. This is why I resist the term-even those parts we need to peel away will hold on in their zest for life. It's more akin to murder than sacrifice. I believe, and I'd love to hear a lightworker's take on this, that the other side goes through something very similar but the way through is submission whether it's to God, source, an ideal, or what have you. (It occurs to me the prayers I was taught in church really would have been effective had my teachers presented me with a truly transformative system. I recall time and time again seeing people pray for God to "take this away" and a few of them actually got it to work.) I'd say it's key to both our similarities and our differences, and I hope that this makes it clearer why I dislike the term service in relation to darkworking. It's a matter of perspective. |
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11-01-2010, 10:18 AM
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It seems tempting to say that as a lightworker sees things in terms of service, they say darkworkers are into "service to self". But as darkworkers see things in terms of dominance and submission, they think lightworkers, who are the opposite of themselves supposedly, are into submission. Just like darkworkers often start out thinking they have to be "bad" because that's the traditional idea of a dw, lw often start out thinking they have to be weak because the catholic church (etc) has spent millenia teaching people that goodness is when you let them use you and drain you dry of energy. | |
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11-01-2010, 01:56 PM
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I like this "context." It seems to resonate with me more.... | |
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11-03-2010, 11:29 PM
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Things have become somewhat muddled because there has been cross-contamination between right-hand and left-hand perspectives. It's not uncommon for lightworkers to identify divinity as something which is within or part of themselves. Even so, they set themselves apart by proclaiming the best use of the god-spark is service. "Thy will be done" vs. "My will be done"-lightworkers petition the universe, darkworkers command it. It seems that, on the whole, lightworkers are much more willing to accept a "no" than a darkworker is, often because they regard it as part of a divine plan or because it was ultimately shortsighted and would have done harm to the whole. Darkworkers will examine why it didn't work and adjust or abandon their aim as they see fit, the latter occurring when it was self-sabotage on the part of the core self because what they wanted would have harmed themselves. Either way, lightworkers always have something else to consider. It's not about them, rather it's not just about them. There will be times where individual desire has to be set aside in the name of service even if it's not a net sacrifice. So my question then is, assuming what I've said is accurate to this point, if it's not submission then what is it? (That question isn't just directed and Andrew-all lightworkers are welcome to answer.) Note that I'm not using submission as a derogatory term; I know in some places it has ugly connotations but it takes a lot of strength to lay your desires aside in order to serve when it's what the situation calls for. Indeed, my recent experiences with lightworkers has given me a lot of respect for the way they carry themselves, but for as much fulfillment as they get from helping it's fairly common to see them put their needs aside for the moment to attend to someone else. I can see how submission isn't a wholly appropriate term but I'm at a loss for what is. I don't know that you can tell me but wherever I'm mistaken I'm more than happy to have my ignorance stripped away. | |
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11-03-2010, 11:31 PM
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Now for an aside: "My will be done." For those who are wondering, it's not as egotistical as it may sound at first. It's not a declaration of omniscience or infallibility. I am a god but I'm also human. My will is the highest good, not because I will always do what's unequivocally best, but because everything I do, even when I slip up or harm someone, is a learning experience for myself and those I interact with. Everything is a resource. Thus I'm a free agent, able to play hero or villain as I see fit, and whether it's good or bad something is revealed about me and humanity in general. You know how the Joker in "The Dark Knight" argued that he was part of the natural order and that what he represented was as indestructible as what Batman stood for? He was right. He's that part in all of us that we'd rather disown but it's that very tendency which made it possible for him to do what he did. He killed a lot of people and myself, I'd never go for it-but everyone who lived through the ordeal carried a valuable lesson if they were willing to internalize it. If someone like that ever succeeded in destroying humanity in the real world it wouldn't just be him at fault, it would be the conditions which led to his rise and the reactions of those who tried to stop him. Ignorance of the depth and breadth of our own humanity is a bigger threat than all the WMDs on this planet combined. |
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11-04-2010, 12:01 AM
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So, in essence, it's 'all good' no matter what happens. Something good comes of everything we experience eventually, whether we get the lesson straight away or later down the track. I get this.
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11-16-2010, 01:43 AM
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11-16-2010, 01:44 AM
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The "lightworker/darkworker business" can seem rather stupid and insane when people talk about it on this forum because you tend to get a lot of misinformation. People don't fully understand it themselves, so you read posts that give you mixed signals and just throw you off track. So it's not ridiculous once you understand it. But I have no idea who came up with it. | |
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11-16-2010, 02:03 AM
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I never really "decided" to go darkworker. I sort of evolved into one long before I knew the lables. Polarization is very slow the first years, cause you really don't understand yourself or know what to do. It was purely because I was so dissatisfied with my life and wanted greater things for myself. These lables really put up walls in peoples minds about what a darkworker is and isn't. Some people actually believe that darkworkers are "evil". When the answer is pretty much that a darkworker wants to have, be and do whatever he sees pleasure in. It just so happens that the world is his oyster and he can have his cake and eat it too. Reality is what he chooses it to be. He understands that his beliefs and his desires become his life as he focuses on it. Sooner or later, he gets whatever he wants. This is why we are attractive, sexy and driven! Sooner or later we get whatever we desire, and make no appollogies for it. In a sence, he is a slave to his desires. Some people see this as "bad" because they have the faulty thinking that desire leads to suffering. This is a result of not believing that you can have it. But a darkworker has high belief in himself. So when he has high belief AND high desire AND thinks about it often, it puts him in an extremely happy state of being witch make him feel incredibly good. So he walks around in everyday life with a great mood, and people respond well to people who are happy. Consiquently, the combination of high desire and high belief, activates the law of attraction, and his ability to manifest what he wants get better and better as he continue to manifest and feel good and increase his belief that he can get whatever he wants. So this cycle repeats itself and he manifests greater and greater things for himself. The path goes on and on, and I cant really speak for the folks in the more evolved stages, but for now, this is how it is for me Happiness, gratitude, enthusiasm, joy, love, drive, desire, pride in oneself and high self worth is what it's about.
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11-16-2010, 02:40 AM
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No, they didn't use the terms lightworker and darkworker, but the basic framework has been in place for a long, long time. Polarity is a new spin on old ideas. Regarding their modern use, I believe "lightworker" originated within channeled material which was written by a new age guru, but I'm fuzzy on that. Of course if there are lightworkers there must be darkworkers and that label was mostly associated with the illuminati, corporations, and the government. (Think conspiracy theory.) Darkworkers like me or Asmoday or like the ones Steve talks about (though take his writing with a grain of salt whenever he strays from the topic of lightworking) are largely the result of adopting the terminology and symbolism of something which is conventionally evil and turning it into a source of power. That isn't to say that the "evil" depictions are completely off the mark, rather they're one aspect of something much bigger, something which people don't understand. The same can be said for lightworking. Everybody gets that it's about love and harmony but if that's the extent of how it is defined then it becomes a cartoonish fantasy not unlike the fever dreams of pot smoking hippies. And to demonstrate what I mean by "we use it to gain power", when I first adopted the label darkworker that was the worst thing you could be on these forums. By polarizing in that direction I essentially chose to be wrong and since I was open about it I had to defend my position. Because of where I started that helped me build a lot of psychological strength. So darkworkers are not inherently malicious, they don't crave conflict, but they do seek opportunities which teach them how to draw from their inner resources and thus become self-reliant. (Which means conflict comes early and often at the start as individuating isn't something society encourages or equips us to do.) I've gone off on a bit of a tangent but there's your answer: this goes back a long way and it used to be characterized as the right hand path (lightworking) and the left hand path (darkworking). It's the pseudo-mystical incarnation of that paradigm stripped of the religious symbols of the past. The Pros: It's much easier to touch the essence of each path-your top priority is yourself or others, no deity required. The Cons: It's subject to the same watered-down mish mesh of ideas as anything else embodied within the new age movement. I'm not slamming new agers per se, some of them work within the movement and quote the popular gurus without wiping the substance from their own work and message. Rei is a shining example of that. However, I have an extreme distaste for anything new agey and I mainly use the term darkworker as a way of adapting to the times. It's the quickest way to explain to anyone on these forums who I am and where I stand, and amongst other people who use the label it gives us a common language to work with. For anyone who's still confused, frame it like this: you make one simple change-either you're your highest priority or other people are. This determines the why behind your actions even if the what is the same as it was before. When you stick with it this creates small changes within your psyche, your life, and your world. Compounded over time you'll end up in an entirely different place than you would had you not polarized. Essentially you're leveraging the power of consistency to effect change on a major scale. Stripped of everything else, that's what it comes down to. Yes, it can be challenging to determine what you should do if caring for a loved one means sacrificing something you want (as a darkworker) or you have to meet your own needs when you're spread too thin (as a lightworker). That's not something you need to worry about at the start-it comes together in practice. Let's say I want something from my lover but she's sick. I can pressure her, but I value the relationship and this would cause strain. Longterm, if the pattern holds, I'll drive her away. So I give up what I want in the short term both for my sake (to keep her in my life) and for hers (because I love her and I want what's best for her). The give-and-take remains but I frame it within the context of my psychology. Every situation, no matter how complex, has this as its basic framework. The net result is that I get more of what I want more often than I did before even when delayed gratification is the best option available. So that's what, tangent number 2? I'll stop myself here before I construct a post that needs to be turned into it's own topic. Last edited by Cado; 11-17-2010 at 12:34 AM. Reason: I'm a perfectionist, whatcha gonna do? Lots of a cleanup. | |
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11-17-2010, 09:51 AM
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But it is human nature to search for meaning, hence paradigms of this nature are inevitable. My own theory is this: I don't know. Funny though, it hasnt really caught on  | |
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