darkworker? lightworker?

[deemilio]

I'm fairly new here and forgive my ignorance but i'm not sure i'm getting what people define as a lightworker or darkworker (if they can be defined or if it's just a belief of what their innerself tells them)

I don't belive i am one or the other but for the one's that 'believe' (know) they are one or the other i want to ask the question stated above and add another

can a person that believes totally that they are one or the other (for their own reasons) do they ever look into themselves and find that they are not what they believed to be?

As i stated above i do not belive i am one or the other all i 'try' to do is make everyone i know/meet feel loved and important and if they are happy (without hurting anyone else) then i'm happy

[blossom]

There are whole threads devoted to this topic if you scroll through this category! I'm pretty sure folks round here must be getting tired of trying to define it...but I could be wrong!

Welcome aboard btw.

[deemilio]

I have read through most of the threads on the two but what i got out of it was as my husband told me not the right definintion of them

so i thought if i asked it would become clearer to me .. here is what i got out of what people believe them to mean i guess i was just asking to see what i'm missing


lightworker from my understanding of what i take from peoples thoughts of it is that a lightworker shows love to the physical world around them they are not concerned about what is going to happen in the future (future of mankind ..not themselves) what they want is simply to be and show the love the feel to EVERYONE that they come in contact with .. weather that be just being happy that the other is happy and feeling at ease .. hence the souce that we all end up in will be a happy place

A darkworker also from my understanding aslo from what others thoughts of it is that a darkworker also like a lightworker wants utimatly the same goal .. the source of life that we end up in is happy .. however they go about it by 'pushing' what they belive unto others and if the others don't 'buy' it then they are forsaken to live unhappy


My husband says that light and dark workers are not physical but if they are not physical then how can a person be one or the other?

[blossom]

Oh o.k. Yeah I still get confused as well, though it's been explained to me a number of times here. I think the definition of lightworkers is pretty accurate. Not sure about your husbands view on darkworkers though? In my experience, both can be a little pushy in their own ways.

Maybe some of the others can help you more?

Sorry if I sounded a little short. I really should get some sleep now

Goodnight.

[James81]

This is one of those "useless" debates that we have around here. I say "we" but I mean "them" because, well, I tend not to get into this.

First of all...who cares? It's pretty much just a label that people use to define themselves.

Secondly, it's an attempt at saying "this way is RIGHT and this way is WRONG" because, well, the very nature of the words themselves denote that rightness or wrongness. "Lightworker" denotes something positive. "Darkworker" denotes something negative. That's just in the mere connotations that the words "light" and "dark" have, whether the intention is to do that or not.

And at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what labels we apply to people. Who cares if you'd define someone as a "lightworker" or a "darkworker"? Be who you are. Do who you are. Go with what feels right to you. That's all you need to know.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by James81

Do who you are.

Right on, man. I do myself every night and boy do I love it.

In all seriousness, light and dark aren't really positive or negative in themselves. Some posters have presented it that way but I am not among them. In fact, you'll find a growing number of people who look at lightworking and darkworking as two paths that lead to the same destination.

As for the questions you asked deemilio, I'll be honest and say that my only response was, "wha...?" You're not making any sense to me. What I've gathered upon rereading what you said is that you're confused as to where the focus lies (this world or the spiritual), yes? If that's the case I have a question for you: why assume there's a divide?

If you want to get a darkworker's perspective on darkworking I recommend you poke around The Asmoday Experiment and I'd say start with this article. As for lightworking, I'm not qualified to say what it is and what it isn't. Somebody will probably be along to talk about that in a little while.

Originally Posted by blossom

There are whole threads devoted to this topic if you scroll through this category! I'm pretty sure folks round here must be getting tired of trying to define it...but I could be wrong!

M'dear, you greatly underestimate my stamina.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Right on, man. I do myself every night and boy do I love it.

In all seriousness, light and dark aren't really positive or negative in themselves. Some posters have presented it that way but I am not among them. In fact, you'll find a growing number of people who look at lightworking and darkworking as two paths that lead to the same destination.

As for the questions you asked deemilio, I'll be honest and say that my only response was, "wha...?" You're not making any sense to me. What I've gathered upon rereading what you said is that you're confused as to where the focus lies (this world or the spiritual), yes? If that's the case I have a question for you: why assume there's a divide?

If you want to get a darkworker's perspective on darkworking I recommend you poke around The Asmoday Experiment and I'd say start with this article. As for lightworking, I'm not qualified to say what it is and what it isn't. Somebody will probably be along to talk about that in a little while.



M'dear, you greatly underestimate my stamina.

To be honest, it's not really something I'm all that interested in. Defining "darkworking" or "lighworking" really isn't a useful concept to me.

[rei]

Originally Posted by deemilio

I have read through most of the threads on the two but what i got out of it was as my husband told me not the right definintion of them

so i thought if i asked it would become clearer to me .. here is what i got out of what people believe them to mean i guess i was just asking to see what i'm missing


lightworker from my understanding of what i take from peoples thoughts of it is that a lightworker shows love to the physical world around them they are not concerned about what is going to happen in the future (future of mankind ..not themselves) what they want is simply to be and show the love the feel to EVERYONE that they come in contact with .. weather that be just being happy that the other is happy and feeling at ease .. hence the souce that we all end up in will be a happy place

A darkworker also from my understanding aslo from what others thoughts of it is that a darkworker also like a lightworker wants utimatly the same goal .. the source of life that we end up in is happy .. however they go about it by 'pushing' what they belive unto others and if the others don't 'buy' it then they are forsaken to live unhappy


My husband says that light and dark workers are not physical but if they are not physical then how can a person be one or the other?

that is a very interesting definition of lightworking and darkworking, one i have not heard before.

lightworkers and darkworkers, in my understanding, both have the same basic goal but the focus is different. both are about love and power, generally lightworking is more about the power of love expressed to all, an outward focus but one that involves self-love too (at least, ideally, though i've met lightworkers who deny love to self).

darkworkers are also about the power of love, but the focus is inward.

both express the power of love, one (lightworker) expresses it to all, and the other (darkworker) focuses on expressing it toward self, but this will often ripple outward anyway.

both work with power too, but lightworkers use power to serve the collective and darkworkers use power to serve the self. however, this does not mean the darkworker is callous or heartless. being selfish is not the same as being oriented toward self. i know they sound similar, but they are not quite the same.

i have met plenty of lightworkers who 'push' their way on others and imply anyone who disagrees with it is wrong. so, i would not say the definition you offered for darkworkers fits anything i have read or experienced. i would say that definition applies to the word "evangelist."

the way these two concepts are used in these forums, it is not about religion. it is not even about an eternal happiness really. it is about how you draw energy and where you focus that energy. i wonder if your husband is comparing these ideas to religious concepts of light and dark?

there are also metaphysical concepts of lightwork and darkwork, but my understanding is that is not the type of light/darkwork being talked about here in the forums. others may disagree, but that's the impression i've gotten.

oh, James - if you don't find value in these conversations about light/darkwork, if you think the debate is pointless, then why bother posting a response about it?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by James81

To be honest, it's not really something I'm all that interested in. Defining "darkworking" or "lighworking" really isn't a useful concept to me.

I know. You've already said as much. I, however, am really interested in the topic, and it appears the topic poster is as well. I just quoted you so I could get that little quip in at the start.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

there are also metaphysical concepts of lightwork and darkwork, but my understanding is that is not the type of light/darkwork being talked about here in the forums. others may disagree, but that's the impression i've gotten.

I would say there's a spiritual aspect to it either way but you have to decouple metaphysical from new age as that seems to be where the bulk of the misunderstanding comes from. Lightworkers who are wholly identified with the new age movement aren't much different from fundamentalist evangelical Christians. You don't even have to look that hard to come up with a whole list of similarities.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I would say there's a spiritual aspect to it either way but you have to decouple metaphysical from new age as that seems to be where the bulk of the misunderstanding comes from. Lightworkers who are wholly identified with the new age movement aren't much different from fundamentalist evangelical Christians. You don't even have to look that hard to come up with a whole list of similarities.

ah, but i don't know if that quite works out.

i'm "wholly identified with the new age movement."

not every new ager is pushy and judgey about it (but i agree, among those that are, there are similarities with other forms of evangelism, such as rigidity and superiority and professed rightness.)

yes, i agree there is a spiritual aspect, in how one draws energy and in how there are often exercises that relate to spirituality. but that isn't the same as a religious connotation of light/dark, which is what i meant to be addressing. probably could have been clearer on that.

and, i do think as we've discussed before, there is a different type of darkworking that one is born into (maybe negative soul idea mentioned in another thread, but intuition tells me this is something apart from that), that is a bit more extreme and has more metaphysical/religious light/dark associations. but i haven't gotten that vibe from any of the polarized DW here.

[deemilio]

Thanks to all who posted, I greatly appreciate everyones thoughts on my question

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

ah, but i don't know if that quite works out.

i'm "wholly identified with the new age movement."

not every new ager is pushy and judgey about it (but i agree, among those that are, there are similarities with other forms of evangelism, such as rigidity and superiority and professed rightness.)

That's what I'm getting at-you consider yourself a new ager but is that who you are? If you take away the label and you're still essentially you, and the thought of being without it doesn't feel threatening, then you're not the kind of person I was speaking of. No, the problem with any form of spirituality is when it merely serves as a new skin for the ego and it doesn't bring the individual any closer to the divine.

yes, i agree there is a spiritual aspect, in how one draws energy and in how there are often exercises that relate to spirituality. but that isn't the same as a religious connotation of light/dark, which is what i meant to be addressing. probably could have been clearer on that.

Ah, okay, I see where you're coming from. But you know it works in reverse, too-there are people within the darkness who shun the light, claiming that it is the grand evil it accuses them of being. It happens, sure, but they take it to an extreme. Religious light and dark, regardless of which end of the spectrum a person is on, falls within the ego polarization concept I've mentioned in other threads.

and, i do think as we've discussed before, there is a different type of darkworking that one is born into (maybe negative soul idea mentioned in another thread, but intuition tells me this is something apart from that), that is a bit more extreme and has more metaphysical/religious light/dark associations. but i haven't gotten that vibe from any of the polarized DW here.

I recall that. I'm not sure where I stand on it-there will likely be a topic on this down the road, namely on the issue of whether or not one can be born polarized in any fashion.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

That's what I'm getting at-you consider yourself a new ager but is that who you are? If you take away the label and you're still essentially you, and the thought of being without it doesn't feel threatening, then you're not the kind of person I was speaking of. No, the problem with any form of spirituality is when it merely serves as a new skin for the ego and it doesn't bring the individual any closer to the divine.

well, my fundamental purpose here relates to the New Age process, but even if someone removed the label i would still be living that purpose.

the idea of being threatened at removing it makes more sense for what you mean though, because i do understand that point, and don't feel at all threatened by the idea of that. i am my essential self, and "new age" is a set of words that depicts a part of that, but i would be me without the words.

i'm pretty sure i deviate from the norm as far as the ego stuff goes though, not sure my perspective and attitude mesh with general trends.

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Ah, okay, I see where you're coming from. But you know it works in reverse, too-there are people within the darkness who shun the light, claiming that it is the grand evil it accuses them of being. It happens, sure, but they take it to an extreme. Religious light and dark, regardless of which end of the spectrum a person is on, falls within the ego polarization concept I've mentioned in other threads.

oh yeah, i am not at all surprised that there are folks who demonize the light. another case of what boils down to all or nothing thinking i would imagine.

and this thread raises an interesting point. though the definition about pushiness involved DW in this case, many don't think you can be a LW unless you're pushy about it, knocking all other paths on the floor, because that is their idea of lightworking. in that sense, i may not seem like a LW. maybe because i was born this way instead of choosing polarization later down the road? (that's one aspect of the issue i didn't quote from your post - if i can be born as a LW, i imagine it goes both ways. i haven't tried to work out the rationale for that though, it was just something that came through intuition before.)

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

i'm pretty sure i deviate from the norm as far as the ego stuff goes though, not sure my perspective and attitude mesh with general trends.

It shows-you've got a level head on your shoulders. In my experience, most of the people following recent trends do not. That isn't to say they're ego-identified like the would-be lightworkers I was referencing earlier, rather this kind of lightworker feels airy, as if they have a very tenuous connection to physical reality. The way I'd put it is that they have the spirit but they don't have the power.

though the definition about pushiness involved DW in this case, many don't think you can be a LW unless you're pushy about it, knocking all other paths on the floor, because that is their idea of lightworking.

It's kinda like darkworkers who think personal power means flipping people off and never taking showers. I'm not gonna sugar coat it-there are morons on both sides of the fence. That is not to say they cannot or will not learn but they'll probably receive some hard knocks before they "get it" and chill out. (I know, I've been there.)

What's really funny is how they're so quick to condemn real lightworkers/darkworkers when they're the posers. I think that's one of the major reasons there's so much confusion surrounding this topic. It's a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

Less severe but just as damaging to productive discussion are the well-intentioned but rigid believers, the type who hold another's words above their own intuition to the point that they don't accept it when their instincts inform them otherwise. Being open-minded is one thing but this requires you to be able to see energy for what it is. That's something most of them aren't willing to do.

Whereas the former is all mind, the latter is mind coupled with some genuine experience which underlies an overwhelming craving for emotional highs. The reason I think ego-dissolving teachings are so dangerous is because the practitioners seem quite prone to this. Equally dangerous are ego-affirming teachings that never step beyond the intellectual and animal self. Followers of both tend to get stuck in a very dualistic version of nonduality and it takes a stick of frickin' dynamite to snap them out of it.

in that sense, i may not seem like a LW. maybe because i was born this way instead of choosing polarization later down the road? (that's one aspect of the issue i didn't quote from your post - if i can be born as a LW, i imagine it goes both ways. i haven't tried to work out the rationale for that though, it was just something that came through intuition before.)

I think of polarization as something which someone chooses in this life here and now, but I could conceive that someone would be born polarized if they'd made the choice in previous lives. I know myself I came here calibrated for the DW path even though I consider my polarization a fairly recent thing. The biggest struggle I faced was accepting my natural tendencies in the face of societal stigmas which told me selfishness, to any degree, was wrong. On the other hand it's not unfathomable that I could have become a lightworker as I knew I'd have to struggle one way or the other to let go of whatever was holding me back. Ultimately the darkness won out. It felt more like "home", if you will. I've yet to explore reincarnation because I refuse to take a stance on it until my abilities are sufficiently developed that I can see things with my own eyes. However, I can't deny that I feel like I'm building upon work I've already done.

[blossom]

I suppose I have underestimated your ability to define darkworking again and again...and yet again. As for stamina though...I seem to recall , in the, oh, not so distant past...Proposal / Request Adult Section of the Forum(;






[/QUOTE]M'dear, you greatly underestimate my stamina. [/QUOTE]

[rei]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

It shows-you've got a level head on your shoulders. In my experience, most of the people following recent trends do not. That isn't to say they're ego-identified like the would-be lightworkers I was referencing earlier, rather this kind of lightworker feels airy, as if they have a very tenuous connection to physical reality. The way I'd put it is that they have the spirit but they don't have the power.

actually, the airy quality LW is something i'm very familiar with. i think this often leads to being impressionable, and is one reason such a person finds that path appealing anyway (being impressed with notions that feel good). oh, this is only an observation. i have been the airy spiritual person before, though i wasn't impressionable i was isolated so i may have been impressionable at the time. my point is, i understand how it is to be that person, i don't think it is a wrong way to be. i just happened to get my power in order, admittedly through some trial and error...

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

It's kinda like darkworkers who think personal power means flipping people off and never taking showers. I'm not gonna sugar coat it-there are morons on both sides of the fence. That is not to say they cannot or will not learn but they'll probably receive some hard knocks before they "get it" and chill out. (I know, I've been there.)

ah, well, i can understand the process. lots of folks swing from one extreme to the other, or overcorrect as they modify themselves, and then later on come to a more balanced version of the focus. human nature perhaps?

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

What's really funny is how they're so quick to condemn real lightworkers/darkworkers when they're the posers. I think that's one of the major reasons there's so much confusion surrounding this topic. It's a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

haha... i had not even noticed that pattern until you mentioned it! i understand though, if neither you nor i fit their own preconceptions of what it is, then they don't think we're being true to the label

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Less severe but just as damaging to productive discussion are the well-intentioned but rigid believers, the type who hold another's words above their own intuition to the point that they don't accept it when their instincts inform them otherwise. Being open-minded is one thing but this requires you to be able to see energy for what it is. That's something most of them aren't willing to do.

had to read this part a few times, but i think i got the meaning. basically, similar to how an evangelical will say you are part of the lost because of what something outside them said, even if their heart is saying otherwise? or, don't trust x because so-and-so said it's bad, more or less?

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Whereas the former is all mind, the latter is mind coupled with some genuine experience which underlies an overwhelming craving for emotional highs. The reason I think ego-dissolving teachings are so dangerous is because the practitioners seem quite prone to this. Equally dangerous are ego-affirming teachings that never step beyond the intellectual and animal self. Followers of both tend to get stuck in a very dualistic version of nonduality and it takes a stick of frickin' dynamite to snap them out of it.

well, i'm about affirming/accepting ego but i haven't made any teachings out of it. it's meant to be emotionally based self-love though, and self-acceptance, all the layers and permutations. i can understand how either approach, or any approach that is polarized, if taken to an extreme without mindfulness, can create gross imbalance.

dualistic version of nonduality... that's funny

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I think of polarization as something which someone chooses in this life here and now, but I could conceive that someone would be born polarized if they'd made the choice in previous lives. I know myself I came here calibrated for the DW path even though I consider my polarization a fairly recent thing. The biggest struggle I faced was accepting my natural tendencies in the face of societal stigmas which told me selfishness, to any degree, was wrong. On the other hand it's not unfathomable that I could have become a lightworker as I knew I'd have to struggle one way or the other to let go of whatever was holding me back but ultimately the darkness won out. It felt more like "home", if you will. I've yet to explore reincarnation because I refuse to take a stance on it until my abilities are sufficiently developed that I can see things with my own eyes. However, I can't deny that I feel like I'm building upon work I've already done.

i can understand the struggle related to stigma. i have sort of experienced the opposite, people telling me to take time for me because they see me serve the collective. they don't see the times when i'm caring for me (or don't realize certain activities are valid ways i care for me), and they just want me healthy, but it gets old when people assume i don't give to myself what i offer the rest of self.

well, i guess i choose to polarize every moment, but what i was getting at with being born that way, is i was like this, oriented this way, before i ever heard of polarizing. in seventh grade, my favorite thing to draw was an image of the globe with a big gash on it, covered by a band-aid. long before any understanding of polarity i dunno though, maybe i should stop contributing to these convos about LW/DW, if i am not really the accepted idea of a lightworker? don't want to add to the confusion, only to the clarity. however, i think the prior/other incarnation idea makes sense, i know my last incarnation before i came here, i was an individual who was oriented toward collective service. all the other individuals were too, in some ways that setup is more harmonious.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

actually, the airy quality LW is something i'm very familiar with. i think this often leads to being impressionable, and is one reason such a person finds that path appealing anyway (being impressed with notions that feel good). oh, this is only an observation. i have been the airy spiritual person before, though i wasn't impressionable i was isolated so i may have been impressionable at the time. my point is, i understand how it is to be that person, i don't think it is a wrong way to be. i just happened to get my power in order, admittedly through some trial and error...

I wouldn't call anything wrong per se, not even the evangelical fervor with which some LW's operate. I would call it dumb if they reach a point where they're internally ready to push beyond it but they don't.

ah, well, i can understand the process. lots of folks swing from one extreme to the other, or overcorrect as they modify themselves, and then later on come to a more balanced version of the focus. human nature perhaps?

That's what I kept doing. That's another major reason it took so long for me to get my **** together.

haha... i had not even noticed that pattern until you mentioned it! i understand though, if neither you nor i fit their own preconceptions of what it is, then they don't think we're being true to the label

And it's because the label is more important than what it represents. I would say the root of all unnecessary conflict is linked to overidentification with a single variable that people use to define themselves. It's why debate/discussion on certain ideas turns so ugly. If a Christian is so identified with their faith that they can't imagine existing without it it doesn't matter how well you stick to discussing the idea instead of the individual, they will take it personally.

had to read this part a few times, but i think i got the meaning. basically, similar to how an evangelical will say you are part of the lost because of what something outside them said, even if their heart is saying otherwise? or, don't trust x because so-and-so said it's bad, more or less?

Some of the posters on this forum have cited "The Law of One" as the reason they think all darkworkers are evil. It's clear they've had some genuine spiritual experiences but it's likely that during the airy phase we talked about certain ideas were imprinted on them which they then carried with them as they began to step into their own. What you have is a weird in-between where the lightworker isn't as genuine as they could be but they're not as zealous as the true believer.

That's not to say there are no lightworkers who are completely genuine to themselves and reject the notion that darkworkers have a place in the grand scheme of things. What differentiates them from what I'm talking about is that this is a conclusion they arrived at through their own searching and not because something like "The Law of One" said so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like one of the major pitfalls of lightworking is that it can be really easy to let someone or something else do your thinking for you. (The darkworker equivalent would be shutting out any guidance from those more advanced than you are because you think you don't need it. Their stuckness is how I came to realize no one polarizes in a vacuum.)

And to clarify my own perspective: I don't think lightworkers have to acknowledge darkworking (or vice-versa) for them to advance along their path. However, looking at people like Steve, I can't help but think everyone who goes far enough will reach a stage where the framework breaks down and the two sides blend. At that point they'd have to be blind not to see the role the other energy plays.

well, i guess i choose to polarize every moment, but what i was getting at with being born that way, is i was like this, oriented this way, before i ever heard of polarizing. in seventh grade, my favorite thing to draw was an image of the globe with a big gash on it, covered by a band-aid. long before any understanding of polarity

When you put it that way I don't think our perspectives are at odds. I was born with a natural inclination to turn inward and rely on myself. I wasn't moving a lot of energy but I was calibrated so well that when I decided it was go time I hit the ground running. I still think there was nothing stopping me from going the other way-I've even experienced the airy state which seems to be a prerequisite to full on LW polarization-but, like I said, it just wasn't for me.

i dunno though, maybe i should stop contributing to these convos about LW/DW, if i am not really the accepted idea of a lightworker? don't want to add to the confusion, only to the clarity.

Oh hell no. Somebody has to debunk the nonsense and you're a good candidate. The way to clear up confusion is by giving people a hit of the truth. The more often you see the genuine article the harder it is to be fooled. Polarization, as it is so often misperceived, isn't helpful to anyone, I don't care how many people buy into it. This world doesn't need another cult, it needs clarity.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

I suppose I have underestimated your ability to define darkworking again and again...and yet again. As for stamina though...I seem to recall , in the, oh, not so distant past...Proposal / Request Adult Section of the Forum(;

Oh come on, that was one time.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Oh come on, that was one time.

How can I be sure it won't happen again though?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

How can I be sure it won't happen again though?

All you gotta do is give me a test drive.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by illustro cado

all you gotta do is give me a test drive.

Only if you PROMISE to wear that dress and that wig! It seems to be the source of this new boldness in you.

[rei]

Cado,

it's a little late for me to do the point-for-point setup, hope you understand this doesn't mean anything about my respect or valuing you and your posts. just wanted to touch on a few things...

i have read the Law of One. it does not say DW are evil! it says service-to-self doesn't raise one's vibe as much as service-to-others (i prefer "all", i just asked the same consciousness known as "Ra" who was channeled to compose that text - Ra says it is fine, even beneficial, if i choose "all" instead of "others" as both service-to-others AND to self are really needed, for any who are committed to raising the collective vibe). but not everyone cares about whether they are raising their vibration rate. one can choose service-to-self without being evil... i don't know why people struggle so much to get that. it's even possible to be an ethical darkworker, Cado here is a great example of that.

as for a major pitfall of lightworking as relying on something outside of you... i think at certain stages that's probably true. if someone is being airy, they are less solid in their body, hence more impressionable, and may find it harder to genuinely look within (whether the airy experience is a result of some metaphysical initiation or from trying to escape the body due to trauma). but that is why i actually wrote an article before on the importance of being grounded. you can be grounded and spiritual at the same time in fact you become a more solid force for good when you're centered, because it takes a much stronger force to sway you.

i agree at some point it seems helpful to be more flexible about the two paths. i have become intimately acquainted with death and the dead, which may have helped me own my darkness naturally (seeing as how death is one association with the notion of darkness). plus, i'm a scorpio, we love the dark and i have had romantic relationships with folks who have dabbled in the dark. so i guess i just never really saw it as something to avoid as if it's contagious, and that may be one reason i don't judge it here. i see it as the literal polar opposite, but it's more like a yin yang because each side has a splash of the other. and i say a literal polar opposite, but i see love in both. love is the fabric of existence look at me getting all airy

i probably technically could be a DW, i have the power. but the level of power i know i have, i am much more comfortable channeling it in ways to serve the all. i don't think i am structured in a way that would make me susceptible to the corruption, i've had at least one experience that tested this theory very well, and i responded like 'oh crap - i can't believe i almost did that - i did not really want to do that even if i said i did - i will be so much more mindful of this power' (took me a couple years to even allow myself to acknowledge it again, to realize i wouldn't have it unless i could be responsible), but i just don't feel drawn to using it all for me. i could, but it wouldn't feel natural. and in my own perspective, this is not really the type of thing i would do just to stretch my comfort zone, but more power to anyone who would, even if it isn't my cup of tea. if i started neutral, then yeah, i can see the pull. but i started way away from neutral.

thank you much for the encouragement for me to continue in these discussions. i think you provide a great example of healthy darkworking, since it seems you have the stomach for continuing to hear the myth-based assessments of your path.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

Only if you PROMISE to wear that dress and that wig! It seems to be the source of this new boldness in you.

The dress does not make the person, in this case the man. It is a piece of cloth. However, if that is what gets you off far be it from me to deny a lady her pleasure.

And rei, I'll get back to you later. It's getting time for me to do some reading and working and all that stuff.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

The dress does not make the person, in this case the man. It is a piece of cloth. However, if that is what gets you off far be it from me to deny a lady her pleasure.

And rei, I'll get back to you later. It's getting time for me to do some reading and working and all that stuff.

You took that more seriously than it was meant I think

[rei]

no worries man who wears dresses 'til later

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

You took that more seriously than it was meant I think

Nah, I was just playing it up for dramatic effect. I get all theatrical and ****, yo.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Nah, I was just playing it up for dramatic effect. I get all theatrical and ****, yo.

Aha...check!

Besides...I prefer kilts on a man(; You don't happen to speak scottish do you?(:

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

i have read the Law of One. it does not say DW are evil! it says service-to-self doesn't raise one's vibe as much as service-to-others (i prefer "all", i just asked the same consciousness known as "Ra" who was channeled to compose that text - Ra says it is fine, even beneficial, if i choose "all" instead of "others" as both service-to-others AND to self are really needed, for any who are committed to raising the collective vibe). but not everyone cares about whether they are raising their vibration rate. one can choose service-to-self without being evil... i don't know why people struggle so much to get that. it's even possible to be an ethical darkworker, Cado here is a great example of that.

I haven't read The Law of One for two reasons: I felt an aversion to it and the people who talked about it left me with a less-than-favorable impression. If it really says nothing of STS being evil then I can only shrug in response to the people who take it that way. I suppose it's no different than Christians declaring war on the devil when he's hardly ever mentioned in the Bible itself.

These days I don't feel the same way about The Law of One but there's still no draw to read it. If a lot of people quote it at me I probably will so I know how to approach the argument, assuming the debate is worth it.

as for a major pitfall of lightworking as relying on something outside of you... i think at certain stages that's probably true. if someone is being airy, they are less solid in their body, hence more impressionable, and may find it harder to genuinely look within (whether the airy experience is a result of some metaphysical initiation or from trying to escape the body due to trauma). but that is why i actually wrote an article before on the importance of being grounded. you can be grounded and spiritual at the same time in fact you become a more solid force for good when you're centered, because it takes a much stronger force to sway you.

It would make sense that lightworkers go through a phase like that because I know I went through a time where I was almost all body and ego. I was super-grounded, if you will. I was getting in touch with things I was taught to ignore and despise and it seems that extreme phase was necessary for rebalancing my psyche.

i agree at some point it seems helpful to be more flexible about the two paths. i have become intimately acquainted with death and the dead, which may have helped me own my darkness naturally (seeing as how death is one association with the notion of darkness). plus, i'm a scorpio, we love the dark and i have had romantic relationships with folks who have dabbled in the dark.

So what you're saying is I have a chance.

so i guess i just never really saw it as something to avoid as if it's contagious, and that may be one reason i don't judge it here. i see it as the literal polar opposite, but it's more like a yin yang because each side has a splash of the other. and i say a literal polar opposite, but i see love in both. love is the fabric of existence look at me getting all airy

Oh don't worry, that's just the acid.

In all seriousness, I tend to view polarity as filtering a single energy through one of two lenses. Think of it like a prism. The healthy lightworkers and darkworkers are both drawing from divinity, however they define it, or even if they have no concept of it. The negative side of either path comes from rejecting some or all of the divine after they've already gained a charge. You might term it "trying to cut themselves off from source." The reaction is violent, to put it mildly. But a healthy polarization? It works out the same regardless of how its colored.

i probably technically could be a DW, i have the power. but the level of power i know i have, i am much more comfortable channeling it in ways to serve the all. i don't think i am structured in a way that would make me susceptible to the corruption, i've had at least one experience that tested this theory very well, and i responded like 'oh crap - i can't believe i almost did that - i did not really want to do that even if i said i did - i will be so much more mindful of this power' (took me a couple years to even allow myself to acknowledge it again, to realize i wouldn't have it unless i could be responsible), but i just don't feel drawn to using it all for me. i could, but it wouldn't feel natural. and in my own perspective, this is not really the type of thing i would do just to stretch my comfort zone, but more power to anyone who would, even if it isn't my cup of tea. if i started neutral, then yeah, i can see the pull. but i started way away from neutral.

Oh, the stories I could tell. I learned early on that I'm pretty resistant to corruption, to hell with what other people wanted from me. (One time a preacher called us kids on stage and had us fake fall because "the power of the holy spirit was overwhelming us." Needless to say, it wasn't doing anything to me-I just stood there dumbfounded, refusing to fall back. Considering how scared to death I was of God and church my reaction astounds me.) But that's beside the point. More in line with what you were saying, I certainly felt I could hold compassion above all else, but it always seemed to take the wind out of my sails when I tried. I need to exist for me. It's not a real, physical, "I will die if I don't do it this way" kind of need, but the idea of living altruistically is a lot less appealing by default.

thank you much for the encouragement for me to continue in these discussions. i think you provide a great example of healthy darkworking, since it seems you have the stomach for continuing to hear the myth-based assessments of your path.

One of my favorite hobbies is tearing myths to pieces.

Thank you for the kind words. It's good to know I am as sound a representative as I aspire to be.