Lightworkers feminine, darkworkers masculine

[Andrew Gubb]

Me and Ilustro Cado have been corresponding quite a lot by PM, explaining each other our viewpoints. I have to say I was pretty biased in my thinking towards darkworkers before meeting him. Now I am still working out what I think of them, but they do seem to be strange and wondrous creatures

An interesting point he brought up in the conversation was this: the idea that darkworkers, as they choose to consort with the dark, which is feminine, are masculine in sexual energy; and lightworkers, who have the light as their dancing partner, express femininity in their path.

As you know I am quite a feminine guy and enjoying exploring moreso this previously somewhat disowned aspect of myself. So for me at least, this idea seemed to make sense.

It's interesting too, that when I was in a more masculine stage of my life (fantasised more about having sex on top, etc) I seemed to have more of a darkworker style philosophy of life. This was quite a long time ago, 4-5 years or so (I am only 20!), but I remember thinking or expressing, "I do things to make myself feel good; but helping others is what feels good". It was me first, others after.

(Indeed - because as Conversations With God puts it, feeling good is like the soul saying "here I am!" - it's when you are being Who You Really Are. <3 CWG)

I also notice that a lot of people in the seduction community, where masculinity is held sacred, seem to have somewhat darkworker philosophies. I'm thinking of Pook, whose book I compiled from his posts on SoSuave He talked about things like "The focus must be on you". A conscious guy, but definitely seemed more interested in helping himself than helping the world. I wonder what became of him.

Anyways food for thought. I'm not saying I subscribe to this idea that masculinity/femininity and light/darkwork are related, but I thought I'd throw this out there to stir up the hornet's nest

Andrew

[blossom]

Yes, he is a fascinating character to correspond with, and I feel like I am starting to grasp what you are saying Andrew.

I'm not sure where I stand really? On one hand I enjoy doing things like massage to help other people achieve relaxation , because I see this as a way of creating a more relaxed world, which is what I want. Does this make me a "darkworker" or a " lightworker"? I don't know really? I think I'm more on the side of light, but I know that I get something out of it too, which may pertain to darkworker? I've definatley done a few of the exercises that Illustro has offered, in the past, just from my own intuition, so I think I have explored the dark alot.
I just see myself as a mix of dark and light, which I see everyone as also. I try to go for a balanced view at all times...though I am a Leo with a Leo sun rising, and not a Libra, as some people have thought?

I have decided to be a darkworker for 30 days, just to see what all the fuss is about. And if it isn't for me, I'll go back to being how I am now.

[RagsToRiches]

Hmmm...

I don't know about this....

A feminine woman can be as potently motivated by her own desire as a masculine man can be motivated by his philanthropy.

No I really don't buy this at all. I know many girls who, even if they like to "appear" lightworker are definately dark-workers.

Vise versa there's plenty of men who are motivated by the betterment of those around them.... plenty...

Actually I'm tempted to say that the inclination is opposite to what you are proposing.

But it's good to have discussions about this kind of stuff anyway

[blossom]

I feel like the defintion of "darkworker" is different for every person I hear mentioning it. What does "darkworker" mean to you Rags to Riches?

Originally Posted by RagsToRiches

Hmmm...

I don't know about this....

A feminine woman can be as potently motivated by her own desire as a masculine man can be motivated by his philanthropy.

No I really don't buy this at all. I know many girls who, even if they like to "appear" lightworker are definately dark-workers.

Vise versa there's plenty of men who are motivated by the betterment of those around them.... plenty...

Actually I'm tempted to say that the inclination is opposite to what you are proposing.

But it's good to have discussions about this kind of stuff anyway

[Cado]

Originally Posted by RagsToRiches

Hmmm...

I don't know about this....

A feminine woman can be as potently motivated by her own desire as a masculine man can be motivated by his philanthropy.

No I really don't buy this at all. I know many girls who, even if they like to "appear" lightworker are definately dark-workers.

Vise versa there's plenty of men who are motivated by the betterment of those around them.... plenty...

Actually I'm tempted to say that the inclination is opposite to what you are proposing.

But it's good to have discussions about this kind of stuff anyway

It has absolutely nothing to do with your gender. You can have a dick and be really feminine and you can be a woman who makes alpha males cower in your presence, the question is what kind of energy you're channeling. Physical gender and external expression has little to do with it beyond the identity constructs we form around them. This brings to light one of the many paradoxes in human existence and, indeed, polarity: a woman who revels in her femininity may indeed be channeling masculine energy to bolster her strength.

This gets confusing because of the aforementioned identity issues. Are you your physical gender or is it just one of many traits you possess? We tend to overidentify with aspects of ourselves and in so doing we miss what's happening in the larger picture. According to the model I presented Andrew, I'm drawing masculine energy if touching upon my divine self spurs me to action for my own sake. I could be a gay beauty queen and still maintain this inner alignment.

Light is masculine because it provides the energy of creation. Expose yourself to it and you will be shaped in its image. Lightworkers take on a feminine energy as they submit more and more to the light. They are entrusting themselves, their will, to the highest good of all, with faith that they will be cared for as they care for others. This does not mean total passivity-indeed they can keep up with their masculine counterparts when necessary-it simply determines their source of energy.

Dark is feminine not only because it takes on the qualities of what is imprinted on it but also because it refines. Think of pregnancy as an alchemical process: the body takes in sperm, merges it with an egg, both forms are broken down, recombined, and transformed into a new life. As a darkworker you are the sperm. Within the darkness you see clearly what dwells within yourself and you are required to actively face it and work through it and transform by a combination of acceptance and willful action. This causes you to take on a very masculine energy at your core. You are driven to act for your own sake so that you might be refined and thus shape creation.

This is a model I constructed before taking the plunge and thus far it's been confirmed by my experience. At the very least it's a useful lens when attempting to grasp how polarity works because whether or not it's factually true it calibrates the mind such that it pushes you toward polarization.

I'd highly recommend "On Becoming an Alchemist" for more on this subject-the above was largely extrapolated from the chapter on masculine and feminine energies.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

I feel like the defintion of "darkworker" is different for every person I hear mentioning it. What does "darkworker" mean to you Rags to Riches?

I'd like to point out you'll get a different definition of both polarities from nearly everyone you ask. Look at what they all share in common. There are only a couple things which define lightworking and darkworking and everything else is a perspective, a tool, which can enable you to be more effective.

[blossom]

It's almost like I grasp what you are saying, but I need to wait until someone strings the right set of words together which make me 'click' and go "ahhh, oh is that all"

[Cado]

Just keep working with the stuff I sent your way and it'll click, trust me.

[blossom]

Yeah, I get that feeling...thanks.

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I'd like to point out you'll get a different definition of both polarities from nearly everyone you ask. Look at what they all share in common. There are only a couple things which define lightworking and darkworking and everything else is a perspective, a tool, which can enable you to be more effective.

[Asmoday]

There is masculine-feminine expression on each side of the Polarization coin, to echo Cado. Masculine/feminine is important in life, but irrelevant on the Path.

I think the difference that people are picking up on, that feels very similar to masculine/feminine expression, but is subtly deceptive, is actually the mechanization of energy draw...

In short, Lightworkers draw crown energy, Darkworkers draw root energy. Tastes like chicken, but it ain't chicken. I try to explain more on that here:

Rooting Exercise (Basic)

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

There is masculine-feminine expression on each side of the Polarization coin, to echo Cado. Masculine/feminine is important in life, but irrelevant on the Path.

Interesting. Glad you dropped by and gave your input, Asmoday.

It was an interesting construct at the time and it seemed an intuitive way of understanding how things worked. Funny enough I came back to talk a little more on the subject, maybe play devil's advocate with myself, but mental masturbation stops being masturbation when you add a second and third me.

[rei]

fascinating idea... not sure i fit into it though.

i haven't really polarized, but i'm definitely service-to-all.
meaning, i came here that way, without any official dedication of myself.

not really very feminine though. i do a lot of things that are more masculine, but in terms of the chakra stuff... yeah, i'm spacey (not the spaciest though, seen much spacier love-n-lighters). then again, i say i'm not feminine but i'm not entirely masculine either. i'm an androgyne. that could also be one reason i don't fit with this theory.

in terms of the chakra energy, i'm not as much about the root as the crown. in terms of assigning gender energy to lightwork and darkwork, i don't fit that theory.

so, for example...

"Light is masculine because it provides the energy of creation. Expose yourself to it and you will be shaped in its image. Lightworkers take on a feminine energy as they submit more and more to the light. They are entrusting themselves, their will, to the highest good of all, with faith that they will be cared for as they care for others. This does not mean total passivity-indeed they can keep up with their masculine counterparts when necessary-it simply determines their source of energy."

i don't mesh with this... but i have been exposed to the light of Source with increasing intensity over the years. maybe this is a theory that is limited to intentional polarization, rather than how a person is born and naturally expresses? in my own case, it is not that i submit to the light, but i don't force my will on the light either - this is why i find so much value from the notion of co-creation. the light is my partner in 'crime', neither myself nor the light is in charge of the creative process - it is both of us, working in concert to effect change or energize an outcome. or rather, i am the light, so there is no reason to submit to that which is already myself.

another reason i may not fit with this is that i don't see it as a choice between love and power, i see them as inseparable. i see it as a matter of which one you choose to focus on, but choosing love as a focus means you invite power as well, and choosing power means you invite love. i don't think they can be divided, but perhaps an individual can choose to ignore the evidence of attracting the other side of the energy.

[Halffull]

Not really seeing this. It's true that feminine would gravitate more towards love and connection, and masculine would gravitate more towards personal achievement.

However, I've seen very feminine personalities who go after love and connection in very selfish and self serving ways, and masculine personalities who go after achievement in selfless ways that benefit mankind.

Thoughts?

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Interesting idea. Having recently polarized with the 'darkworker' polarity, I concur with the sense of it being a more 'masculine' energy. But both male and females have root chakras, which is the energy center darkworkers rely for drawing in energy.

Ultimately though, the energy centers don't work like that. They aren't one way streets. Energy cycles through the body and all the chakras, or energy wheels, turn in tandem. Both an open root and crown is important. A person with an open crown and a closed root will be very disconnected from the physical plane and will encounter problems. And a person with a closed crown and an open root will also encounter problems. Balance is very important and for this reason the idea of polarization puzzles me, which is why I'm trying it out. Human beings have energy bodies that are energetic bridges between all worlds. We can make the choice to 'become' a darkworker or a lightworker, but really we're all freakin rainbows no matter the polarity. I don't care if your lightsabre is red or blue. You're still just a human bean and we all die. This is why I find the template of chaos magic so much more effective than this polarizing silliness. What kind of musician would you be if you used all high notes and no low notes and vice versa? You can't paint a picture with all white and all black. You need both at the very least.

Maybe someone can explain why polarization works/makes sense?

[Cado]

I recently made some more comments on this idea here as it occurred to me as I typed my last post in this thread that the model wasn't nearly as useful as I once thought it to be: Mental Masturbation

On the subject of energetic cycles, I've never thought of polarity as shunning or shutting out one kind of energy while harnessing another, rather you place your emphasis on one or the other and it dictates the flow of your energy. So far that seems to be right, and indeed the model I constructed above was meant to help me see that. I've outlined the problems with that line of thinking in my other thread.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I recently made some more comments on this idea here as it occurred to me as I typed my last post in this thread that the model wasn't nearly as useful as I once thought it to be: Mental Masturbation

On the subject of energetic cycles, I've never thought of polarity as shunning or shutting out one kind of energy while harnessing another, rather you place your emphasis on one or the other and it dictates the flow of your energy. So far that seems to be right, and indeed the model I constructed above was meant to help me see that. I've outlined the problems with that line of thinking in my other thread.

Okay so rather than energy streaming in and out both ways, you redirect the stream in a single direction, increasing immensely the 'current' of energy in your body. So instead of being made of millions of tiny wheels all spinning in tandem with each other, you become one giant wheel/vortex of energy spinning up or down and the world becomes your opposing gear, rather than all the gears being internalized. That's kind of two dimensional thinking though, since gears operate on 2 dimensional planes. Hmm. Well, this has certainly got the gears in my head turning

[blossom]

I'm still getting my head around it as well KV and I still am not able to see why it is necessary to 'polarize' to one or the other, when we can, and ARE both, at varying times. This seems less limiting to me than 'either one or the other'.

How I'm interpretting it is that I can feel like helping some old lady onto the bus and thus expanding my compassion to her (and myself when I am an old lady), WHILST at the same time working on parts of me that I want to improve on and being Self focussed, and reaching for the divinity in me and seeing it in everyone else at the same time. I don't feel that this compromises where I choose for my energy to flow, it enhances my freedom to send it where I will it!

Does this make me an admirable shade of Grey?

[Cado]

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

Okay so rather than energy streaming in and out both ways, you redirect the stream in a single direction, increasing immensely the 'current' of energy in your body. So instead of being made of millions of tiny wheels all spinning in tandem with each other, you become one giant wheel/vortex of energy spinning up or down and the world becomes your opposing gear, rather than all the gears being internalized. That's kind of two dimensional thinking though, since gears operate on 2 dimensional planes. Hmm. Well, this has certainly got the gears in my head turning

Think of entirely in terms of what's going on within. As a darkworker, outflow is meant to increase inflow. This is an excellent explanation.

Originally Posted by blossom

I'm still getting my head around it as well KV and I still am not able to see why it is necessary to 'polarize' to one or the other, when we can, and ARE both, at varying times. This seems less limiting to me than 'either one or the other'.

It's not about being only one or the other, it's about picking a focus. Expansion or contraction. This applies internally, it has nothing to do with what actions you take. A darkworker can give to charity as freely as a lightworker, the question is why. If you're constantly shifting focus you don't create enough tension to push your growth forward. Any gains will be slow, if they occur at all.

It looks like you're overthinking things. I know you said you wanted to do a darkworker trial so why not push your doubts aside for a moment and let the energy run its course? I guarantee it would help clear up a lot of the confusion. You can't understand polarity when you're on the outside looking in, you have to do it.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Think of entirely in terms of what's going on within. As a darkworker, outflow is meant to increase inflow. This is an excellent explanation.



It's not about being only one or the other, it's about picking a focus. Expansion or contraction. This applies internally, it has nothing to do with what actions you take. A darkworker can give to charity as freely as a lightworker, the question is why. If you're constantly shifting focus you don't create enough tension to push your growth forward. Any gains will be slow, if they occur at all.

It looks like you're overthinking things. I know you said you wanted to do a darkworker trial so why not push your doubts aside for a moment and let the energy run its course? I guarantee it would help clear up a lot of the confusion. You can't understand polarity when you're on the outside looking in, you have to do it.

That makes much more sense. I like Asmoday's work very much and since I've jumped into this darkworker paradigm I feel much happier with myself overall. I love myself alot more and I find it's easier to break bad habits and that they don't even appeal to me as much as they did. And this is only within a weeks time.

[blossom]

You can't understand polarity when you're on the outside looking in, you have to do it.[/QUOTE]

This makes sense. I do tend to over think at times.

It's just when I think of 'polarizing' I get these images of going down some tube slide vortex thing into another dimension, and everything goes all Star Wars on me with crazy music and lava-lamp blobs of colour everywhere, like I'm Luke Skywalker going to the Darkside...I've got quite an imagination, I'm aware of this(;

You're feedback was reassuring KV.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

It's just when I think of 'polarizing' I get these images of going down some tube slide vortex thing into another dimension, and everything goes all Star Wars on me with crazy music and lava-lamp blobs of colour everywhere, like I'm Luke Skywalker going to the Darkside...I've got quite an imagination, I'm aware of this(;

Sorry love, you won't get to shoot lightning out of your hands anytime soon.

[blossom]

[QUOTE=Illustro Cado;514193]Sorry love, you won't get to shoot lightning out !

Dang!

[Theo77]

I think those are different types of dualities. Male and female is one duality, Light and Dark is another.

One way they may be connected is through the concept of Yin and Yang, but that would be the opposite of your premise.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Theo77

I think those are different types of dualities. Male and female is one duality, Light and Dark is another.

One way they may be connected is through the concept of Yin and Yang, but that would be the opposite of your premise.

Well, I was tihnking before that that could be the most connection the two concepts really have:

light yang
masculine yang
lightworker + light = the complete being
yin + yang = balance
lightworker = yin

dark yin
feminine yin
darkworker + dark = the complete being
yin + yang = balance
darkworker = yang

My, I'm a veritable mathematician!

We probably shouldn't take these ideas too seriously though... At best it's a rough description of a slight tendency. Steve Pavlina's a lightworker and look how masculine he is... with his pretty slave there...

Andrew

[devilsace]

i see things like this a light worker is more defencive and helping others. while a darkworker is more offensive with destroying things in there way(examples of coarse).