Lightworkers and Eternity

[royster]

The Timed Dancing Project
An on-going metaphysical essay by r. andrew stokes
December 24, 2009

LIGHTWORKERS

Due to internet saturation, the definition of “Lightworker” has been blurred, over the past few years, and some of that blurring has been deliberate tampering. It is my intention to present my own experiences in hopes of assisting clarity on the subject. Throughout my entire Timed Dancing Project, I have sought to speak of my own experiences as an illustrative tool to a variety of related topics; everyone’s experiences are not identical, yet there are common threads that assist all events. When a certain degree of continuity is achieved, the individual has a reference with which to proceed in his spiritual evolution, confident of the terminologies and topic matter. I have taken great pains to insure that the terms of reference and subjects are universally accepted by a wide range of spiritual ’institutions’, both ’on world’ and ’off world’. As you begin to see the common bonds in seemingly unrelated subjects, you may be assured that these links are Divinely guided, as I have been instructed to present them, to the sojourner.

First and foremost; a Lightworker isn’t a hierarchal term. It is not a social status. It is not a power designation. By its true definition, “Lightworker” is a reference to one who works within the Thought Stream, on the Thought Streams’ terms. As all objects and events in the multiverses are composed of thought, the only way to co-create with them is to speak Thoughts’ language and observe its ’laws’.

You don’t go into a photography classroom expecting to use a potter’s wheel and speak as a potter.

To understand the communications of any sector of the multiverses, it is necessary to comprehend the basic DNA-pattern of thought exchange. This pattern is learned in a variety of ways, and this is one reason all views are to be respected; everyone has seen events from unique and individual perspectives. However, each observation has a common theme, and it requires some patience to understand how these themes inter-weave the larger fabric. While we have our personal, individual view, at some point we need to ’convert’ our reports into universal terms [part of ‘Ascension‘]. Our experiences of events possess the keys to such translations, but it is equally important to KNOW (not believe, assume or fudge) the lineage of Creation. This requires a purity of heart and mind, and is achieved by sheer honesty, to begin with.
In this we see the foundation of the Christed Consciousness. To convey the workings of the universal stream, one cannot exaggerate, use slang, deceive or any other variation of the truth. “As above, so below”….or as a universal quote goes, “on Earth as it is in Heaven”…means the patterns of thought frequencies are repeated to create a larger ’whole’. The best illustration I have for this idea is broccoli; a tiny sprig of broccoli looks just like the larger bunch. [For the advanced students; this is an indication of the universe’s ‘economy’.]

Another quote is “Let your ‘yes’ be your ‘yes’; varying from the basic thought patterns established by the Original Creator(s) leads to Babylon. Only in small, specific sectors is slang acceptable and understood, and as we see in our own world, slang doesn’t stay around very long [with few exceptions*] so those translations are lost. If you want your spiritual work to be enduring, it is crucial to adhere to certain thought establishings.
It is by reviewing the Creation Sequences that we begin to understand the language of Eternity, and this is one purpose for The Timed Dancing Project; to present the events in a more detailed arena without exterior or dark influences. Once presented, the Universe can establish a better communication with each of us, because we are understanding on Its terms, not our own…though Lightworkers adapt to the Universal language as their ‘own’. Put simply, Lightworkers understand how thought operates. This includes a good comprehension of how thought is manipulated, misconstrued, twisted and even perverted. Therefore a true Lightworker has had a variety of extreme experiences that enhance the distinction between functional and dysfunctional. Lightworkers choose to commit to the universal agreement of sustainable thought, according to the Universe’s economy. Lightworkers live according to the patterns of thought conducted by the higher spectrum of light, which pure thought IS. In this we see the use of Free Will for the general benefit of all. The highest form of thought-light is Love.

[*”Sincere” is derived from the expression “Sans Cere”…’without wax’. It comes from ancient pottery making, in which pots that were cracked were sealed with wax. A true, uncracked pot was ’without wax’, or if the pot WAS cracked, it was honestly presented “sans sere’.]

Anyone can become a Lightworker, and some on the spiritual path naturally become a Lightworker without knowing it. Again, it isn’t a status or really even a special designation; it is an indication of what that person possesses within their cognizance or sentience. It does speak of that person’s INTENTION, which is a crucial factor in any thought stream. The reason is because intention is the driving force of any thought. So if your intentions are to deceive, your deception will proceed, but not without eventual exposure and consequences. Someone claiming to be a Lightworker, yet with the intention of deception, is destined to find themselves at the bottom of a Karmic heap. Deception ultimately puts one in a position of truly learning about that for which they intended to deceive…Purgatory, if you will. This is yet again the economy of the multiverses; if you make a false claim, you will be required to go through the ’schooling’ necessary to fulfill your claim. This is a good incentive to not lie, deceive or cheat, or as our famous Christed Lightworker warned; “Let your ’yes’ be your ’yes’”. It is also a clear instruction to be very careful of your true intentions.

[continued]

[royster]

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW

These few words are key to multitudes of information. It will benefit some readers for me to quote a bit of “The Lord’s Prayer” here:

Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done
On Earth as it is in Heaven.

“Seek ye first the Kingdom of God” is a Divine instruction. While the whole “God” argument can highjack the topic, it won’t because the premise is simple, and we thank Alcoholics Anonymous for giving us this simple guideline: the God of YOUR understanding. That’s where anyone starts. The definitions of God evolve with the individual (again, every view is valid) and should grow as life experiences show us the workings of our universe. While some might use mainstream religion as a crutch to hobble along on, others take the basics and grow from them. At some point, where we all meet in an open spiritual environment, God is quite obvious. Meanwhile, we each have our own concept and personal Higher Power. The common denominator is that It has properties we have not harnessed or developed, and cannot on our own. We as individuals are not the whole picture, but we are a microcosm of it (like the broccoli.)
Seeking the kingdom of God is observing how the Creation (universe) works sustainably. Adhering to the ‘laws’ given us by sure-footed experience from both those who went before us, and our own life experiences, we make ourselves more amiable to those Higher Powers which can show us the way to ever-higher spiritual awareness.
“Thy Will be done”, therefore, is that the Divine Plan unfolds according to the sustainable and eternal principles sentience has constructed, and by adhering to those principles we collectively focus our Free Will in alignment with the Divine’s.
“On Earth as it is in Heaven” instructs us to coordinate our intentions with our actions. If we act as if we are friends, but our intention is to control another, then imbalance occurs, causing disruption in the overall fabric. This is one conspicuous distinction between a Darkworker and a Lightworker.

[royster]

Lightworkers are individuals who have ascended to a point that they agree with the Divine Plan enough to exist within the guidelines and perimeters set by eternity. It also means they have warranted sufficient trust from the universe and are thus given certain insights and passages. The insights are ’correct’ understandings of the metaphysical workings in most things, and the passages are multidimensional whether physical or spiritual. A Christed Light being has mastered the balance of physical and spiritual, and as such can navigate any variant in the multiverses. The reason for this passage is the understanding of the thought stream language and laws. It’s that simple, and simplicity is one of the universe’s economic truths.

AS BELOW, SO ABOVE

Every aspect and entity we know of in the Bible is a microcosm of ourselves; we possess all of the characteristics of Jesus, the devil, and every major point in the Bible. It has been suggested that the Seven Seals in the book of Revelations represent our seven Chakras. The devil represents the 10 desires of the flesh. Armageddon is the upheaval between our spiritual intuitions and the trappings of the physical / political world. Christ represents the mastery over all of these things and more. Once mastery is achieved, higher dimensional passage is available. Some may be quite happy in the dense third dimension, but there are six others beyond us, and I, for one, am curious about what they might be like. I am confident in the message I received which states we do not dwell in the fourth dimension, but rather stay there long enough to learn. It may be the fifth dimension where we spend more time, much as we did in the third dimension….with multiple lifetimes and Karmic restraints. This all indicates that the multiverses are one immense college of learning, and indeed, that’s a healthy outlook.


DARKWORKERS

I agree very much with Steve Pavlina’s basic description of the darkworker:

“If you polarize as a darkworker, you are dedicating your life to serving yourself”

The dangers of such a polarity become obvious to some, and others may not find out before it’s too late. Those familiar with The Timed Dancing Project are aware that I defected from the Dark some lifetimes ago. I am quite cognizant of the Dark force’s inner workings, and made substantial contributions to them while there. It is by pure Grace I evolved into a Lightworker. It should come as no surprise that I am Gemini.
It is true what Steve says; we all contribute to the whole, regardless of our leanings or polarities. In the bigger scheme of things, we each choose to have life experiences, and lots of them. Reincarnation facilitates not only Karmic retribution, it allows multiple life experiences. One would need several such human experiences to really know which polarity is their calling in the grand scheme of things, so again, quoting Steve:

“Are you a Lightworker or a Darkworker?
Asking this question is like asking whether you’re a black belt in karate or jujitsu. Most likely you are neither, since most people never make such a commitment in their entire lives. Lightworkers and darkworkers combined probably account for less than 1% of the population.
Becoming a lightworker or darkworker isn’t something that just happens to you. It’s a conscious choice, one the vast majority of people never make.
You may have leanings towards one polarity or the other, and you can certainly experiment with both polarities as much as you desire, but becoming a lightworker or darkworker means making a special commitment to mastery of a single polarity.”

Neither polarity is one to toy with. And Darkworkers are indeed masters of deception. There’s a microcosm of that in each of us, too.

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All comments are welcome.

[Andrew Gubb]

A lot of interesting insights in this. I don't have time to reply to something in depth, but this message will ensured I get subscribed to the thread and I can come back to contribute later.

I very much like that bit about "the God of YOUR understanding". Precious. I've begun to "believe" in God only recently. The only way I really could was by accepting that my God might not be exactly another's God, though they point to the same place, hopefully. It does fill a void that nothing else could fill though, this belief in God, and I'm so thankful for it. The "universe" is too impersonal.

Thanks for the food for thought, and I'm very interested to hear more,

Andrew

[royster]

Thanks for your reply, Andrew. And happy anniversary on your membership.

Without getting off-topic (I'll resume the essay shortly), the "God" issue can certainly be manipulated in any direction by those attempting to throw us off our paths. As we are each unique, individual frequencies, our God WOULD be fairly personalized, and omnidirectional. I look to the direction of it being Higher Self, but I'm taking my Ascension small steps at a time. Once we all group into "One", it is definately "self". "I AM" consciousness and Chakra observations make perfect sense to me, and contrary to any organised religion, each of us has the full potential to acheive the Godhead Ideal.

A few years back, I had a problem with the "he" aspect of God, but in studying Feng Shui, movement is male, stillness is female.

[The Unconquered]

@royster: Don't use $.25 words and concepts when $.05 will do. Simple, but no simpler. Personally, I think Steve has said the same thing you have a lot more clearly, and thus, his version of the message is more effective.

[royster]

THE FREE RADICAL INFLUENCE

Darkworkers fit the description of a free radical perfectly. Free radicals are defined as an atom or molecule with one unmatched electron, and will indiscriminately steal electrons from neighboring atoms or molecules. This is a microcosm of what we see daily in the world around us. Free radicals are also very unstable, due to their imbalanced nature. The stealing of energy to complete oneself is a symptom of what are referred to as “energy vampires”, and while the outset of choosing to be a Darkworker is alright by Steve Pavlina’s definition, the bigger picture reveals the disruption this can cause. Darkwork requires unsustainable behavior, whereas Lightworkers are accessing unlimited abundance of universal energy, and applying it to the good of all. Free radicals and Darkworkers absorb stolen energy for themselves. They steal energy, rather than align with the Light…this cannot be a judgment call, because it’s a statement of facts. It’s also the mechanics of balances I, for one, do not yet understand. But I do know about free radicals and energy vampires, and they are within the realm of Darkwork.

In quantum mechanics, the balances between light and darkness becomes a more fringe field for mere humans. It is by being in the thought stream and spirit world one would glean the best comprehensions about such workings, and that is not the topic at hand, though a spin-off study some may wish to look into.

One of my life "courses" has been the study of human parasites. The variety is amazing. Each parasite has an energy they draw...no two parasites are the same, though the mode of extraction may be similar.

In simplest terms, there are "energy givers"...those who seem to energise others just by being positive...and "energy takers"...aptly illustrated with the expression "drama queens". But there are many other variations of the drama queen; those chronically depressed, and let everyone in the room know it; those who ask unending questions that are designed to never resolve; "Titus Canbe" ("Bringing Up Father" comic strip) seemed to never have anything of his own, always the constant borrower.

In the book "Celestine Prophecy" we glean the expression "control drama", which is the real-life soap opera of those who are always on the outs with somebody, and they tend to try and suck you in to this little game. This has been my undoing many times during my life, and I have learned to avoid taking sides, drawing strong opinions, and harboring extremes.

Darkworkers may be polarized for the right reasons, but as others have pointed out, they eventually are going to be confronted by the Cosmic Mafia. Depending on how seriously the polarized take Darkwork, and how tempting the offers are they receive, they may find themselves way over their heads. As with any corruption, it will deteriorate to unknown ends. My own end of Darkwork was a personal cognizance. I have written about it extensively and will provide an URL where you can access that information.

Mine is a unique story, so far as I can tell, spanning over an unknown amount of lifetime. Since the universe does not operate in a linear fashion, it’s nearly impossible to gauge how old my spirit is, and how long various lifetimes endured. But I do know that through it all, there was a “group” watching me at all times, and this “group” is still with me today. I simply refer to them as “guide spirits”, and they are alright with that. I have definite memories from past lifetimes, and many of those lifetimes were lived in deceit, usery and at times, murder. These memories prompted me to begin the Timed Dancing Project back in 2005, and again, I will provide an URL for access to the information. As the project evolved, I began as well to address my alcoholism, and was absolutely astounded to find that the 12 steps of recovery were identical to what I was doing metaphysically. I had been guided, just like Bill Wilson, to return to the Light. So I assure you it’s a definite pattern, a vibrational frequency that outlines the Light path. And as I said before, we are encouraged to focus on a “God of OUR understanding”, which actually facilitates our specific soul frequency. Just as “The Music Of Spheres” is the tonal quality of all the planet’s vibration, so also do humans have “music”…radio frequencies…that can harmonize (“resonate”, to use Dr. Masaru Emoto’s apt phrase) or disharmonize.

If you have chosen Darkwork, you probably do not have a prior life-experience of it, and I can only assure you that you will eventually be the better for it. Be forewarned that it may take you on a journey of several human lifetimes before you re-emerge. That being said, you also have Eternity to do things, and it won’t be a waste of time. However, if you are one of the fortunate persons who can learn without hands-on experience, you might be better off staying in the Light.

As Steve has wisely said, not everybody is cut out to BE a Lightworker. Some are simply having a human experience. There is much to learn from simply BEING human; Lightwork does, indeed, take commitment, and Lightworkers are severely scrutinized, for good reason.

For those interested in further reading on my essays, I offer the following:

The Original Timed Dancing Project
the ORIGINAL Timed Dancing Project

Eternity Time-Line
Eternity Time-Line

Free Radical Thesis
FreeRadical Thesis

Re-Wired: The Ascension Process
RE-WIRED: The Ascension Process

Industrial Disease
Industrial Disease


It is my hope this essay has brought you some insight. It is my intention to share this information freely, and thus it remains in the public domain.

Love, Light and Laughter in abundance,

royster

[royster]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

@royster: Don't use $.25 words and concepts when $.05 will do. Simple, but no simpler. Personally, I think Steve has said the same thing you have a lot more clearly, and thus, his version of the message is more effective.

Thanks for your feed back. I respect your observation.
If a 25-cent word expresses multiple meanings, I spend a quarter. Everyone will have a different reaction to any stimulus.

That's my nickle's worth.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by royster

A few years back, I had a problem with the "he" aspect of God, but in studying Feng Shui, movement is male, stillness is female.

Eckhart Tolle, interestingly, talks of God as being stillness. He considers that the feminine principle is closer to spirituality than the male.

I dislike "he" too, though I may use it out of linguistic convention. My God is both man and woman.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by royster

Thanks for your feed back. I respect your observation.
If a 25-cent word expresses multiple meanings, I spend a quarter. Everyone will have a different reaction to any stimulus.

That's my nickle's worth.

That's fine. I suppose it all depends on who your audience is. There have been usability studies done about reading on the web, and due to the limitations of computer screens, most people prefer to use a combination of skimming/scanning on the web for information to avoid eyestrain. I have found it helpful for my eyes to print out Steve's articles when they are 20+ pages long. I get eyestrain reading for a long period of time, even when the language is relatively simple. So, it's not just an issue of not wanting to think. It's an issue of wanting to avoid physical pain. BTW, I'm only 28, and I have rather nice flat panel monitor, but it's still an issue.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

@royster: Don't use $.25 words and concepts when $.05 will do. Simple, but no simpler. Personally, I think Steve has said the same thing you have a lot more clearly, and thus, his version of the message is more effective.

I second this. I can follow what you said, I'm versed in the terminology, but I have no desire to read it. I can't imagine you'll do more than preach to the choir.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Eckhart Tolle, interestingly, talks of God as being stillness. He considers that the feminine principle is closer to spirituality than the male.

I dislike "he" too, though I may use it out of linguistic convention. My God is both man and woman.

Isn't that contradictory? The feminine is closer to spirituality than the masculine, yet God, the ultimate representation of the spiritual, is both of them?

I never understood why some look at the masculine and feminine principles and say one is "more" spiritual than the other. It sounds like projection to me. "This feels like a more genuine expression of myself than that so clearly the other one must be flawed." All it does is stigmatize half of the natural order, and that ain't very "spiritual" in its effect.

[royster]

"There have been usability studies done about reading on the web, and due to the limitations of computer screens, most people prefer to use a combination of skimming/scanning on the web for information to avoid eyestrain. I have found it helpful for my eyes to print out Steve's articles when they are 20+ pages long. I get eyestrain reading for a long period of time, even when the language is relatively simple."

This is VERY valuable information I did not know, I REALLY appreciate that feed back. While I am almost twice your age, I'm about half as computer-savvy. Thank you for taking the time to point this out.

As regards God being either female or male, we can agree that a completed whole is both. I pointed out the movement factor as male due to the basis of life being defined by vibration (movement) though I see both as correct...the "stilness within" and yet the shaker-and-mover. In an earlier day, I simply rebelled against the mainstream Disneyfication of God being an old caucasion male.

Illustro, I appreciate your feedback, too. My writing is done with future sojourners in mind, as well as being as concise as possible. In some spiritual conveyances, there isn't any room for error.

I appreciate the growth potential you've all offered.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by royster

This is VERY valuable information I did not know, I REALLY appreciate that feed back. While I am almost twice your age, I'm about half as computer-savvy. Thank you for taking the time to point this out.

You're welcome. For more usability information, go to useit.com: Jakob Nielsen on Usability and Web Design. Speaking as someone with a genius-level IQ, a college-level vocabulary, and who has taken journalism classes that required her to write on a 5th-grade level, I must forewarn you that communicating what you're trying to communicate using smaller, simpler words is incredibly difficult. The best such writing I have seen has been done by Ernest Hemingway, a famous journalist and author. My favorite Hemingway example to use happens to be his shortest of his short stories. It's 6 words long and packs a real punch:

"For sale: Baby shoes, never worn."



If you think writing something like that was easy, try to create a story with the same amount of impact in 6 words. I've been working on it for a while, and I've never come close.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Isn't that contradictory? The feminine is closer to spirituality than the masculine, yet God, the ultimate representation of the spiritual, is both of them?

I never understood why some look at the masculine and feminine principles and say one is "more" spiritual than the other. It sounds like projection to me. "This feels like a more genuine expression of myself than that so clearly the other one must be flawed." All it does is stigmatize half of the natural order, and that ain't very "spiritual" in its effect.

I like the Tao Te Ching in this respect, because it says that while God is both masculine and feminine, humans tend to prefer the masculine as more "godly" than the feminine. It compares the feminine to water and says it's incredibly strong despite initial appearances to the contrary.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Isn't that contradictory? The feminine is closer to spirituality than the masculine, yet God, the ultimate representation of the spiritual, is both of them?

Yes, it's contradictory: the first is Eckhart's idea, the second is my own.

I think what he meant was that the world is currently in a state of excess masculine energy, which I would agree with. Too much senseless action and movement without finding time to get connected with the senses. So if spirituality is getting into stillness and finding the connection which will give sense to your actions, then I guess it's feminine.

On the other hand, when I choose to direct myself to God (The One That Is All, The Source) I don't like to think of him (I know, linguistic convention) as a man. He's intelligent and loving, so the metaphor of talking of him like a human being makes some sense. But he's not just one thing, because he is all things and from him come all things. How could that which created both masculine and feminine be masculine himself?

Andrew

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

I think what he meant was that the world is currently in a state of excess masculine energy, which I would agree with. Too much senseless action and movement without finding time to get connected with the senses. So if spirituality is getting into stillness and finding the connection which will give sense to your actions, then I guess it's feminine.

Identifying stillness with the feminine still seems erroneous. I identify stillness as a state wherein re-balancing takes place and balance is achieved. From that point you can do everything and nothing. Its significance is determined largely by how you reach that state. To say stillness "is" this or that implies that there is only one way to be still. It's like trying to put the infinite inside a box.

To clarify: I'm speaking of the infinite Self, not God, the universe, what have you.

[The Unconquered]

@Illustro Cado,

Agreed. Lao Tzu, IIRC, said the feminine was more like water: highly underestimated in its strength.

Your concept of stillness seems to match up with the Buddhist concept of emptiness IMO.

[rei]

interesting idea for an article. honestly, i still have not read the whole thing. like The Unconquered i prefer to avoid eye strain, though i have an extensive vocabulary and especially with regard to metaphysical ideas.

it might help to have the point of each section in a bold sentence/heading, so if it is a point folks already know they can skip that part and if it interests them they can take the time to read that section.

i originally wanted to comment on the idea of using slang. how is this a problem? as long as our intentions are clear, as long as the audience feels more connected, and not less, by reading, then why does it matter if we use colloquial language? are you saying slang has a lower vibratory rate? wouldn't that only be subjectively true, if it is true at all?

also, i am not sure i agree with the idea of judging darkworking. for one thing, articles like this usually seem to confuse the Pavlina type of darkwork with the insidious type. but also, don't you think there can be additional context you don't have conscious access to? couldn't it be a specific individuated awareness actually planned to take that path, for soul growth, and knows exactly what he or she is doing? according to my own guide team, darkworking is not inherently wrong. i guess your team and my team are working with different manuals maybe. i didn't read that part of the essay very closely but i am guessing you consulted your team regarding this point and they agreed with your perspective. my team does not agree, and i trust them. interesting how that happens sometimes. from a nondual perspective it's all the same anyway.

i am probably more of a lightworker than a darkworker - in both the Pavlina-esque and metaphysical sense of the word. but i don't much like this judgmental tone that i come across so often for this topic. how can any of us know our way is the only right way or most right way for everyone else? how does that make such a person very different from a turn-or-burn Christian?

i'm sure you have good intentions here. just offering my thoughts.

[Mounds]

Hi Royster,

I personally found your essay well written. Personally, I wouldn't do any rewording. I don't find a problem with eye strain. Maybe it's my monitor!
Your essay does bring up a need to have a clear definition of a lightworker and a darkworker. It also makes me want to research more into human parasites. Interesting points!

-Tim

[Cado]

Originally Posted by rei

i am probably more of a lightworker than a darkworker - in both the Pavlina-esque and metaphysical sense of the word. but i don't much like this judgmental tone that i come across so often for this topic. how can any of us know our way is the only right way or most right way for everyone else? how does that make such a person very different from a turn-or-burn Christian?

Thank you!

Something which has always amused me is how close many lightworkers (and new agers in general) are to traditional Christians. Even when they come to you out of "love" there's always that sense of superiority, like it's only a matter of time before you see "the truth" and join them. I can tolerate it when I know they're legitimately well-meaning (IE, they listen, converse, and question), but outside of that I just have to laugh as I consider how they think they're so different when they're just offering the same old schlock with a new paint job.

Note that I'm not saying -all- lightworker/new age material is schlock. I've learned a lot from reverse-engineering those teachings. I couldn't do that if there were no substance whatsoever. However, when people like me start talking about the negative side of lightworking, this is what we're thinking about. It's zealotry. Most of the time it's pretty harmless (if annoying), but sometimes it can inspire people to do terrible things.

Speaking of which, many talk about darkworkers as though they are psychopaths, no ifs, ands, or buts. I don't dispute that some darkworkers are psychopaths. However, if the opposite of psychopathy is sanity, they're acting on a false duality. The opposite of psychopathy isn't sanity, it's zealotry. (Complete disregard for social values and the feelings of others in service of short-sighted desires<------>Complete disregard of social values and the feelings of others manifested as unquestioning obedience to an ideal or a god. IE, zealots and psychopaths try to exist inside a vacuum.)

I'm getting off topic, but as I'm sure the regular forum-goers know: give me a chance to rant and I will take it. I'm gonna end it here and say whoever you are, whatever you're inclined to do, be true to yourself. It's the one universal among valid paths.

[The Unconquered]

Slightly off-topic: Have you ever had a problem of trying to give rep for great posts, only to find out that you're attempting to give rep points to the same handful of people over and over again?

Anyway, since I can't give rep points again to rei and Illustro Cado for their last contributions on this thread, I just wanted to say, "Hear, hear!"

[rei]

well, i think if we are really honest, we all can be judgmental at one point or another. i wonder if the judgmental New Age perspective is a phase, or if it can be a phase. when you think you have found truth, it is easy to also think you are somehow more evolved or better for finding it. ultimately, that isn't true, but i've seen it happen a lot. when i stopped going to church, i went through a phase of looking down my nose at churchgoers, so i think that might be common.

i don't think i am better for seeing this tendency. people are doing the best they can, and i don't want to fall in the trap of judging judgmental tendencies. moral righteousness happens a lot, doesn't have to be in a New Age or Christian perspective. happens in other cases as well. that is why i think it can be helpful to really consider that we don't usually have enough context to draw conclusions.

i will say i don't know if having thesaurusitis sends a great message either, but it is not my place to say that it is somehow wrong to demonstrate one's verbal skill. i guess the best idea i would have in that case is to consider the audience. could we potentially isolate and divide through our word choice? if so, then intentional clarity through down-to-earth wording would be useful for providing info in a way that is more unifying and connecting. the eternal self does not need to prove intelligence through unnecessarily complicated diction. we come to the notion of the head or the heart, the ego or the soul. but this is all just my opinion.

@The Unconquered: thanks

[blossom]

Everyone sees their own wordview as being right so therefore we all judge other peoples who don't see it our way.
I've had darkworkers do it to me as well...everyone can be a zealot because everyone thinks they are right...and they are right...in their own minds!

It seems to be a human tendency, not just limited to christians and new agers.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by blossom

Everyone sees their own wordview as being right so therefore we all judge other peoples who don't see it our way.
I've had darkworkers do it to me as well...everyone can be a zealot because everyone thinks they are right...and they are right...in their own minds!

It seems to be a human tendency, not just limited to christians and new agers.

I don't think you really understand what I meant by defining zealotry and psychopathy.

Darkworkers cannot be zealots. Zealots serve someone else's agenda. If a "darkworker" is more committed to someone else's agenda over his/her own, you're not dealing with a darkworker. If, however, he/she is preaching a homemade gospel, you may well be dealing with a psychopath, aka a legitimate (albeit insane) darkworker.

Nobody exists within a vacuum even when they want to. Often you'll find a psychopath at the head of a cult and his overzealous followers won't even realize it.

This? None of this is unique to lightworkers and darkworkers, Christians and new agers... In fact, that was the point I was making. Take away the labels and you'll find you're a lot more similar to other groups, to other individuals, than you'd care to admit. Just like a lightworker doesn't have to identify as a lightworker to be one, a zealot doesn't need to belong to a religion. Orientation and emphasis are the key words, everything else is nuance.

[blossom]

In that case I met someone who called himself a darkworker who tried to take me to the darkside, but wasn't one. Thankyou for clarifying...and I do see what you mean about the difference between darkworkers and psychopaths...and I have watched documentaries on cults and how the brainwashing can take place without the followers even knowing it...scary stuff!

This whole darkworkers vs lightworkers thing just doesn't really add up to me. Personally I think everyone is both, since we all contain dark and light...some people prefer to remain purely selfish and self-serving and others get a selfish high from helping others...but that's for another thread.

[Cado]

@blossom: At the risk of being self indulgent (hehe, who am I kidding, I love me), I made a post on the subject here.

And to elaborate: everyone needs to be selfish inasmuch as they need to care for their basic needs and act true to their own nature. However, when being true to yourself has you bend-the-knee before another and place your will secondary to his, you've officially stepped out of darkworker territory. The "he" in that last sentence could be a god, could be a man, or you could make it an "it" and substitute an ideal. No matter what, a lightworker is subservient to something else.

I like how Asmoday put it: darkworkers expand their list of choices whereas lightworkers accept fewer and fewer choices. A darkworker needs to reason through their morality and decide on a case-by-case basis how they're going to act in regard to others whereas for lightworkers the most significant choice they can make is who or what they will serve. They will always retain some autonomy over their own lives if they choose well, but they are, as Asmoday stated somewhere else, "God with one hand tied behind their backs."

So to boil it down, it's the difference between self-determination and subservience. Both have their place, everyone is equally capable of either, but there are numerous benefits to picking one or the other (as Steve put it, expanding or contracting) for a period of time.

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I definately agree that everyone needs to take care of their own needs and themselves first...otherwise how can they have anything to give anyone else, if they choose to or not?
Running ourselves into the ground just so other people won't judge us as selfish and 'bad' isn't really very helpful to anyone in the long run.

I just read that link and understand what you are saying about concentrating on one side at a time to understand the other...I think that is what I've been doing for years now. Always being all the 'right' things according to society left me feeling that I was limited because I had nothing to contrast it with. For years I believed I didn't need to get angry...but then I consciously decided to explore anger, and I don't think it's true what lots of spiritual people say, that being angry means you aren't 'spiritual'. Everyone (and everything) contains Spirit, so therefore we are all "Spiritual" it's just whether or not you are aware of it.
Getting back to anger, for an example, anger is a very powerful energy and it can be really useful if you know how to channel it appropriately ( which, as a female, has not come easily to me, and there have been alot of hits and misses, but I'm getting there), but it is something that has helped me to become free from depression as I wasn't able to express it before, and now I can...so that's progress in my books, not de-evolution.

Every emotion carries with it some wisdom, and it helps to become a more well rounded, whole individual if you let yourself have the experience of the whole of All that is made up of you, IMO.

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um, Illustro, your latest post read a wee bit judgmental to me. granted, in my experience it is usually the other way around, but i find that interesting after the earlier developments in this thread. you may disagree with the idea that it comes across as judgmental, but there was a negative undertone at the least, according to my own virtual ears. this is an opinion based on observation, not meant to sound like an attack. hope that is clear.

i thought BOTH lightwork and darkwork involved service. the former involved service-to-all (ideally, including self as well, and not JUST serving everyone else, which can frankly be a little unhealthy) and the latter involved service-to-self. likewise, i thought both involve self-determination as well, especially in the decision to polarize and which side of the fence one chooses. people serve others-and-self for many reasons, not all of those reasons become a taskmaster. i do not come across lightworkers who are slaves to their limited choices - are you saying you have come across such a thing, or is this all in theory?

perhaps most of this is academic, and would not apply unless a person has consciously chosen to polarize (rather than, for example, simply being the authentic expression of the natural tendencies one is born with, or working with that as a foundation instead of making an arbitrary choice to be one or the other). but even then, i don't see the utility of judging whatever 'side' one did not choose, whether that judgment comes through directly or indirectly.

[Cado]

It certainly wasn't my intention to judge. Think of this way: to some, the idea of "serving" yourself is redundant. Service is a concept applied outwardly. If you aren't serving someone else, the word is being misused. (Note: That isn't exactly how I see it, at least not while consciously explaining it, but on an unconscious level it's how I operate.)

There is also the matter of emphasis. Self-determination is required to some extent on either path, yes, but it's the darkworker's thing. It's what they -do-. It applies to every single aspect of their lives whereas lightworkers take care of most of that in their choice of what they will serve and how.

And that's not as easy as it sounds. It's a mark of character to be able to provide service wisely, especially considering the ways it will challenge your ego. The first thing to come into question will be your judgment in choosing an ideal. Assuming you overcome that, there will come times when you find yourself questioning it when you need to trust it, and then there are times when rebellion will truly be the better option. It's not like one polarizes as a lightworker and all their obstacles are removed from their path. (I'm quick to criticize anyone who wants to polarize in either direction expecting a quick fix to all their problems.) Instead they get a completely different set of obstacles.

So I can see how you might have gotten the impression that I was being judgmental, but really it comes down to the limitations of text.