Benefits of polarizing and such

[Mounds]

If I understand this correctly, lightworkers base their goals on empowering themselves so they can contribute more to the greater good. Darkworkers base their goals on empowering themselves to they can contribute to themselves.
When I read about this, I ask myself a question. What is the benefit of deciding to be a lightworker or a darkworker? In truth, I can't think of a single thing. Not even one. Maybe I'm just not enlightened.
Here's a thought though: a pack animal, say a wolf, works with other wolves to help bring down a deer. This wolf had a goal that would benefit the other animals in it's pack. Therefore are the wolves lightworkers?
Now take a bobcat, a soliditary animal. It hunts down a rabbit for it's own personal gain. Therefore are all bobcats darkworkers?
What about a social insect like an ant vs. a solitary insect, like a dragonfly? Can they be lightworkers/darkworkers? I mean, were all animals after all (part of the kingdom Animalia). I simply can't believe that polarity is reserved only for people, yet it really doesn't seem to apply to other animals. So, is it more similar to religion, as a way of explaining reality?
Say I created one (can I even do that? And why or why not?), elephant worker! All my goals will pertain gaining weight, improving memory and attempting to pick leaves with my nose. As polarity requires an opposite end of the specturm, mouse worker! This polarity will involve goals of chittering my teeth, running along walls and crawling through tight spaces. Sounds opposite to me, why not?
Could the number of different polarities not be infinite? It doesn't have to be just lightworker and darkworker, right? RIGHT!?!?! And who says one way or the other? Who makes the final decision about what a lightworker and a darkworker actually are?
I've always questioned things and I take this subject no differently. What benefit would there be in polarizing? Does anyone else ask this question?

-Tim

[Silenced140]

i guess yea you could be both, they just can't class you into two things

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Who makes the final decision about what a lightworker and a darkworker actually are?

You do.

Originally Posted by Mounds

What benefit would there be in polarizing?

You realize that polarization is a false dichotomy that much faster.

Originally Posted by Mounds

Does anyone else ask this question?

Everyone who's ever bothered to polarize has.

[MasterD]

Do you want to save the world or do you want to conquer it? That's basically what it is to polarize as a either a lightworker or a darkworker.

Of course, you can also polarize as a mouseworker or an elephantworker. Personally I wouldn't find that game very interesting, so I decide not to polarize in that direction.

Another polarization direction is for example masculinity/femininity. I am sure you can think of others, but those two are the most important I have found.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Here's a thought though: a pack animal, say a wolf, works with other wolves to help bring down a deer. This wolf had a goal that would benefit the other animals in it's pack. Therefore are the wolves lightworkers?
Now take a bobcat, a soliditary animal. It hunts down a rabbit for it's own personal gain. Therefore are all bobcats darkworkers?
What about a social insect like an ant vs. a solitary insect, like a dragonfly? Can they be lightworkers/darkworkers? I mean, were all animals after all (part of the kingdom Animalia). I simply can't believe that polarity is reserved only for people, yet it really doesn't seem to apply to other animals. So, is it more similar to religion, as a way of explaining reality?

Polarizing as either a lightworker or a darkworker requires a very high level of consciousness. Only a fraction of people is ready for that, let alone animals.

Another thing, you can't look at individual actions and deduce if someone is either a lightworker or a darkworker, it's not that easy. It's about the big intention behind all the actions of the person. The intention will not always show itself on the surface.

[Mounds]

Hi MasterD,

Your explanation makes more sense. I understand how polarity works now. Its not for me though, as it seems confining. I'd rather blaze my own trail through life.
But again, I like your masculinity/femininity comparison. Puts a different perspective on it.

-Tim

[Sam988]

Polarization is just about finding and admitting who you really are, in your moment of life (as people's preferences for DW of LW may change through life, although i suspect that everyone is born with a predominant predisposition to be either a LW or DW), and accepting that and acting congruent with it.

Are you predominantly selfish or selfless?

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Of course, you can also polarize as a mouseworker or an elephantworker. Personally I wouldn't find that game very interesting, so I decide not to polarize in that direction.

Now that I think about it, this would conflict with being either masculine/feminine or lightworker/darkworker, because it is utter stupidity, so I don't think there is an infinite number of possibilities. There are only a few important ones I think. It's an interesting discussion you started. We might be able to find a 'mutually exclusive, collectively exhaustive' combination of polarization directions.

[Mounds]

Now were talking. Somewhere out there, a collective of people started the concept of light workers and dark workers. Should we not be able to create our own polarities?
EW and MW were examples of what one could do. One could polarize to apathy or caring. Another could polarize to the concept of success or failure. Ever met someone that fails at everything they try? What if they polarized to the idea of success? Imagine if all their actions had the intention of striving forward to the goal!
A truly devout person could create harm this way though. Imagine polarizing to either motivation or laziness. If you polarized to laziness, you wouldn't even have the motivation to move, just laying on the ground till you died. Oh my god, I've just decided to make a comic strip where the cops are standing over a body and ask the wife what happened. She'll answer "He polarized to laziness". Gold.

-Tim

[celestialife]

Mounds,

I think what you fail to realize is that being a Darkworker or Lightworker is synonymous with becoming self-actualized or enlightened, or whatever you'd choose to call it. That's the ultimate goal and is the place where the two opposites converge. Its a process that involves so much more than just "polarizing" to success, or riches, or fame or what have you. The best example of a dichotomy that reflects the path of a DW or LW, I think, is the Yin-Yang. Two parts unique, but one part equally whole. Much like the concept of DW and LW polarizing, where love is either taken in or given out. But there is a little bit of each opposite within the halves as well. Being a Darkworker, for me, is a lifestyle and a means to an end.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe animals truly have a capacity for love? Sure, my dog Ranger expresses feelings of which I can only interpret as being love, but he doesn't understand the concept, and he couldn't. He only knows that I am his master, and it is part his natural instinct to show affection. MasterD said it best earlier. Polarizing requires higher levels of awareness. Animals or insects don't have the brains for it.

[Mounds]

Hi Celestial,

Here's a quote that I really like:

"Nothing has contributed more to spread obscurity over a very transparent matter, than the attempts of philosophers to define consciousness. Consciousness cannot be defined; we may be ourselves fully aware what consciousness is, but we cannot, without confusion, convey to others a definition of what we ourselves clearly apprehend"

From The Metaphysics of Sir William Hamilton, Francis Bowen.
I understand the concept of LW and DW now. To me, it is limiting and to each his own. I can't help but look at it like a false dichotomy. Ying and yang are quite literally black and white!
For animals having the capacity to love, absolutely! Remember, by definition, WE are animals. The only difference is that we give love a term. The meaning of love has always been there!
Additionally, many other species of animal have their own language but we don't understand it (go figure, lol). If anything, I consider many other animals to be more conscious than human beings. The spoken language is very inefficient and yet we consider ourselves Gods among insects because of it. Try being a manager, giving instructions, and watch how often you get misunderstood.
When we get angry, our hands make fists, our faces get red, our voice gets louder, our faces snarl.... if I yelled out "Pancakes!", people would know I'm mad based on my body language and tone of voice. Would it really matter what I said?
So, that's my story. What if were wrong. Call me a skeptic if you will. At one point in time, people believed in spontaneous generation. Leave hay on the floor and it turns into mice. Without a skeptic, that would still be the belief.

-Tim

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Mounds

From The Metaphysics of Sir William Hamilton, Francis Bowen.
I understand the concept of LW and DW now. To me, it is limiting and to each his own. I can't help but look at it like a false dichotomy. Ying and yang are quite literally black and white!

It is limiting. That's the point. You limit yourself to mastering one set of tools. This doesn't bar the use of the other set nor does it mean adopting a stance wherein you trivialize or disacknowledge your opposite, rather it means that 95-100% of your energy is focused in one direction. This rapidly eliminates internal contradictions, it forces you to stay outside your comfort zone, and it requires a strong commitment to face the hard issues of life with an unflinching resolve.

The goal is to reach the stage where the paradigm collapses. Realizing that non-duality is the truth of things isn't enough. That's intellectual enlightenment. Real enlightenment has you internalize the principles of non-duality until you are their walking embodiment. This is really difficult, if not impossible, as a neutral person since you never fully explore either aspect of your consciousness. To understand darkness is to understand light. Seek to understand both simultaneously and you'll pull yourself in two directions thus sabotaging your own efforts. Focus on one exclusively and both will be revealed for what they are.

[celestialife]

Hey Mounds,

Originally Posted by Mounds

"Nothing has contributed more to spread obscurity over a very transparent matter, than the attempts of philosophers to define consciousness. Consciousness cannot be defined; we may be ourselves fully aware what consciousness is, but we cannot, without confusion, convey to others a definition of what we ourselves clearly apprehend"

Humanity hasn't evolved to the point where we can understand consciousness on a global scale. What Bowen said is very true because that is, after all, the ultimate goal. Complete awareness; all we have is the span of a lifetime to reach that end. I happen to believe that people like me or you, or anyone, is divine. We each have the capacity to individually evolve to the point where universal identity or self-knowledge is attained. How would that manifest? I don't know, but I will understand it someday. You need to direct that energy in some direction. Let it flow in or out. Give it purpose. Give it strength.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by celestialife

Complete awareness; all we have is the span of a lifetime to reach that end.

How do you know that's all we have?

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

It is limiting. That's the point. You limit yourself to mastering one set of tools. This doesn't bar the use of the other set nor does it mean adopting a stance wherein you trivialize or disacknowledge your opposite, rather it means that 95-100% of your energy is focused in one direction. This rapidly eliminates internal contradictions, it forces you to stay outside your comfort zone, and it requires a strong commitment to face the hard issues of life with an unflinching resolve.

I am polarizing to be a true lightworker and I generally work with a positive intention trying to work with love. Conflict situations I work out in a mature way, but there are some people in this world who are not open to that and only try to take advantage of other people. With those people I have no problem to sort out my options and if necessary instill fear in them to get what I want. There may still be a love based approach, but that would take much more energy which I do not want to invest.

I agree with the 95% focus. You polarize in one direction, but a small part of how you work will be with the other kind of energy.

[celestialife]

Originally Posted by MasterD

How do you know that's all we have?

The only thing guaranteed in this life is death. Beyond that, I couldn't tell you for sure. No one can. All we can comprehend and manage is this life, right here, now. What counts is making the most of it to prepare your soul for whatever lies after.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by celestialife

The only thing guaranteed in this life is death.

I can never know for sure, but I think it is safe to assume that my physical body will die.

Beyond that, I couldn't tell you for sure. No one can. All we can comprehend and manage is this life, right here, now. What counts is making the most of it to prepare your soul for whatever lies after.

I totally agree.