Was Hitler Darkworker or Misguided ?

[Kathe76]

Oh, he is high up on my list as well. I have been fascinated by him for a long time because of so many things he did. I would love to really find what makes him tick, other than the drugs of course.

Originally Posted by Gene

..and yet Hitler would be on my list of current and past figures to spend a week end with in an attempt to understand the human being rather than the historical narrative. I would of course exclude the SS body guards from our mythical meeting.

[James81]

Hitler, essentially, is a patsy upon which the entire human race hinges evil. He's become a symbol, of sorts, of the extreme depths of evil to people and thus they consider him to be the highest rung on the ladder of evil, whereas everybody else is "beneath" him on said ladder.

He is to evil what Jesus Christ was to "good." In the same way that Christ symbolizes perfection to us, Hitler symbolizes imperfection.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by James81

Hitler, essentially, is a patsy upon which the entire human race hinges evil.

And by "entire human race", you mean "America".

[blossom]

The Unconquered: Not insane...Human. We all have violence in us, and there is a reason for that. If we need to defend ourselves then we do what is necessary to survive. Speculating about it, it is easy to say öh,I'd never be able to kill anyone", but put in a situation where it is kill or be killed, I know what my choice and will would be directed towards.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I've never seen combat myself, so although I hate the idea of killing people, if someone was after me, and I could defend myself, I would do whatever is necessary. Maybe I'm insane, LOL.

I would defend myself if attacked. There are still consequences for most who kill others. PTSD is a kind of after the incident insanity.

[Curtis2011]

Hitler had good intentions, but was corrupted by the power that he eventually received when he was elected dictator of every branch of government in Germany.



As the saying goes, Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[180]

It's a very common tool of pathos, to point fingers at a common enemy to gain power. It inspires comradeship.

As humans, we're all greedy for power. Fact is "Evil" is a figment. A device that we use to label people we don't like/respect/ or pose as a threat. So humans ascribe them a title that we think makes them "bad". Hitler did it to the Jews.... calling them evil. a plague. and we call Hitler evil.

In war is there a right side? Both sides for different interests. There is no clear good or evil. We all know this. It's perspective. All shaped by different beliefs.

Nobody is "Evil" in the sense that they do things for the sake of evil "Malignant" (as it's called in moral philosophy circles)... Selfishness is the driving force of "evil". Nobody hurts others if there is no benefit. Some people argue psychos or anti-socials fit this bill. No, we all have motivation for our actions. There is a selfish impetus or some glimmer of benefit in a psycho's choice to kill. Usually the feeling of power.

As an example, look at Genghis Kahn. He killed people and conquered territory for no apparent reason besides greed. Did he do things because he thought... oh ha ha I am the Satan! I will kill for killings sake. No he wanted what he wanted? Power, money and women.

Most men want this, just some aren't held back by society. We can call them Evil or whatever.... but in the end they got exactly what they wanted. Let me ask you.

Is Osama bin laden evil? he really thinks what he is doing is for the good of his people. Even if he has to kill? Let me ask this then.... would you kill someone to protect your family? What if you extended that circle a bit more. Would you kill to protect your really good friends? Extend that circle one more, would you kill to protect your people? Your country?

[The Unconquered]

@180, in The Prophet, it's said that there is really no "Good vs. Evil." There is "good", and there is "good tortured by its own hunger and thirst." I thought that was great.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Gene

I would defend myself if attacked. There are still consequences for most who kill others. PTSD is a kind of after the incident insanity.

PTSD is simply the mind trying to make sense out of a senseless event. Take it from someone who knows.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

As the saying goes, Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I prefer to think it reveals one's true nature.

[Michael Chui]

I prefer "the blind leading the blind".

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

As the saying goes, Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I prefer to think it reveals one's true nature.

Nice comeback.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

And by "entire human race", you mean "America".

Is there anthing else?

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by James81

Is there anthing else?

Texas? That's a country, right?

[James81]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Texas? That's a country, right?

lol

Most Texans seem to think so amirite?

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by James81

lol

Most Texans seem to think so amirite?

I think it's because it's about the size of Germany and has one of the biggest economies in the whole world. But it's still Just Another State (JAS) in the Union.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I think it's because it's about the size of Germany and has one of the biggest economies in the whole world. But it's still Just Another State (JAS) in the Union.

Doesn't California have the same attributes, too? I haven't seen any numbers in, oh... five years but that's what I remember.

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Doesn't California have the same attributes, too? I haven't seen any numbers in, oh... five years but that's what I remember.

These folks think Texas should secede -
Texas Secede!

And this guy is for California seceding -
Why California Must Secede at Once

I kind of think, if anything like that came close to happening, there would suddenly be a lot of Federally-endorsed suicides in the ranks of the secessionists. The Federal government needs those big economies to keep that tax money flowing in.

[James81]

Originally Posted by Plays With Life

These folks think Texas should secede -
Texas Secede!

And this guy is for California seceding -
Why California Must Secede at Once

I kind of think, if anything like that came close to happening, there would suddenly be a lot of Federally-endorsed suicides in the ranks of the secessionists. The Federal government needs those big economies to keep that tax money flowing in.

I just hope that neither state is stupid enough to actually go through with it. I really don't feel like fighting another civil war for some pipe dream on the parts of a couple of rogue states.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by James81

I just hope that neither state is stupid enough to actually go through with it. I really don't feel like fighting another civil war for some pipe dream on the parts of a couple of rogue states.

There's libertarians and then there's the libertarian fringe. The columnists on lewrockwell.com (and their avid readers) would fall among the latter. In other words, I doubt any secessionist movement has enough clout to gain any traction, but these are troubled times and it's easier than ever to voice one's discontent.

If secession were carried out, it would likely follow the destruction of the dollar. At that point there wouldn't be a United States anyway. I doubt the federal government would simply disappear, but it would lack the means to keep rebellious states in line.

Considering that it's in everyone's best interest to maintain the dollar as a viable currency, that's unlikely to happen.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

At that point there wouldn't be a United States anyway. I doubt the federal government would simply disappear, but it would lack the means to keep rebellious states in line.

O Abraham Lincoln, where art thou?

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Doesn't California have the same attributes, too? I haven't seen any numbers in, oh... five years but that's what I remember.

California is doing rather badly. Last time I checked, Texas is actually doing relatively well compared to most other states in the Union economically.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

I think it's because it's about the size of Germany and has one of the biggest economies in the whole world. But it's still Just Another State (JAS) in the Union.

::balks::

UNCONQUERED!!!!

::eyes narrow::

If you again choose to refer to my beloved Texas as "Just Another State" in this here Union, I may have to choose to spank you. And, not in the pleasant way.

And, I say this even though I reside in one of those "other...49...lesser states". Sigh. Texas was exquisite.

But, seriously, Texas is doing very well -- people might be not so retarded to take a moment and seriously investigate why that is the case.

I'll give you a hint -- it has nothing to do with oil.

[The Unconquered]

@Asmoday,

LOL. Sorry to break "The Texan Code." I do love Texas more than my native Louisiana (does this mean I have to turn in my Cajun card??? ) , the only other place in the world I've ever lived in. But frankly, that's not much of a comparison.

I love Texas because of its economic philosophy. (Capitalism: It works, b!tches.) I don't care for its social philosophy, however. I want the government out of both my checkbook and my bedroom as reasonably as possible.

I consider myself Texan *enough* for my own personal standards: I've lived here long enough to appreciate it (over half my relatively short life). I haven't traveled much at all, however, so I realize that my perspective is very narrow experience-wise. If I had to say where exactly is my home, I'd have to point to planet Earth. As far as I can tell through my limited knowledge of my past lives, I've been here for at least a few hundred years through various lifetimes.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by The Unconquered

@Asmoday,

LOL. Sorry to break "The Texan Code." I do love Texas more than my native Louisiana (does this mean I have to turn in my Cajun card??? ) , the only other place in the world I've ever lived in. But frankly, that's not much of a comparison.

I love Texas because of its economic philosophy. (Capitalism: It works, b!tches.) I don't care for its social philosophy, however. I want the government out of both my checkbook and my bedroom as reasonably as possible.

I consider myself Texan *enough* for my own personal standards: I've lived here long enough to appreciate it (over half my relatively short life). I haven't traveled much at all, however, so I realize that my perspective is very narrow experience-wise. If I had to say where exactly is my home, I'd have to point to planet Earth. As far as I can tell through my limited knowledge of my past lives, I've been here for at least a few hundred years through various lifetimes.

Nah, Katrina means your Cajun card has achieved Caesarhood -- its a for life deal. I was really sad I didn't get to see the city pre-disaster.

Agreed on the social philosophy. I was in Dallas, myself -- I was amazed in that, its the only place I've ever lived where gospel/christian stations are all over the place on FM radio...

LOL, "Capitalism: It works, b!tches!" LOLOLOL! You should send that to CapitalistPhil over on Youtube -- I vote for it to become his new slogan.

[The Unconquered]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Nah, Katrina means your Cajun card has achieved Casarhood -- its a for life deal. I was really sad I didn't get to see the city pre-disaster.

Part of the reason I love Texas more than Louisiana is because the Louisiana I remember no longer exists. Of course, Louisiana is (or at least was) a very rich state in terms of natural resources, but it's so corrupted by a government that simultaneously promises to take care of its residents and then consistently lets them down. Supposedly Mayor Nagin said that during Katrina, New Orleans was waiting for the cavalry to arrive to rescue the city. "They never quite arrived" would be a great quote on the tombstone of the city that no longer can exist as it once did.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Agreed on the social philosophy. I was in Dallas, myself -- I was amazed in that, its the only place I've ever lived where gospel/christian stations are all over the place on FM radio...

94.9 KLTY FM, a local station, is the biggest Christian music station in America. (Gospel? I wish they had real gospel radio on FM here -- not the "whitey-fied" version KLTY plays. What were you listening to?) I listened to KLTY part of the way to and from Zen meditation this morning. (Yes, I understand the irony. I don't consider myself Buddhist, either. And hey, it's a 100-mile round-trip to and from zendo. Alternative, classical, pop, and silence get boring after a while.) The good news is that that the station switches to Christmas music this time of year, both secular and religious. While I'm not a Christian any longer, the music played during the Christmas season is generally catchier, more memorable, and more heartening than the usual stuff played the rest of the year. An amusing thing I've noticed is there is never any traffic on Sunday mornings, not even during the periods right before when church typically starts around here, not even in the places that get massive amounts of traffic during other periods of the week. I do believe the amount of Christians who actually attend services is greatly overstated around here in this part of the Bible Belt. Traffic does pick up a bit, however, when the retail stores open in the afternoon.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

LOL, "Capitalism: It works, b!tches!" LOLOLOL! You should send that to CapitalistPhil over on Youtube -- I vote for it to become his new slogan.

Will do.