Definition of a Lightworker

[Michelle]

This thread is a spin off of this one here: Lightworkers in Positions of Power

The discussion concerning lightworkers in positions of power led to the logical formation of certain questions: What makes a lightworker a lightworker? How does one recognize a lightworker? What, in fact, is the definition of lightworker, a term so often thrown around by new age types?

Does lightworker = saint or is it simply someone who does their best to follow a love based path? Do making mistakes, committing crimes, or partaking in other morally questionable behavior of the day automatically disqualify one from lightworkerdom?

[cacheborn]

To quote Steve

If you polarize as a lightworker, you are dedicating your life to serving the greater good.

If you polarize as a darkworker, you are dedicating your life to serving yourself.

And another post,

To a true darkworker, the life of another human being is as inconsequential as the life of a food animal. The energy of other people is nothing more than a meal or a snack. If the darkworker drains or harms other people on the path to his goals, it’s considered no big deal. The darkworker has to eat, right? Other people are valued only in terms of their ability to bring the darkworker pleasure.

BUT, this is in case the person is fully polarized as a lightworker or a darkworker. You can say it about yourself if you are fully polarized or not with certainty. I am not sure if you can say it for a third person.

[Anagogy]

I have to agree with Steve's definitions, they sum it up nicely from my perspective. They are logical and concise.

[Michelle]

Who decides what 'the greater good' looks like and how can we identify it from an outer perspective?

It is easy to say 'I am a lightworker and serve the greater good'. Many of us here would make that statement.

[ar81]

I know the definition posted above responds to the vision people have of "serving yourself".

I do have a slightly different view.
Life will give you what you gave to life.
Give good and good will be given to you in the future in ways you do not suspect. Give evil and you will suffer evil.

So under such view, to be a lightworker would be a matter of either conviction or convenience. Those who do good for conviction would be the lightworkers Steve refers to. But if someone is good because he discovered the convenience of receiving good, he would be a selfish person, since he is growing good to harvest good, so he is thinking about himself.

Those who give evil, darkworkers, would be stupid or ignorant of that law of life.

This is my view.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Michelle

Who decides what 'the greater good' looks like and how can we identify it from an outer perspective?

It is easy to say 'I am a lightworker and serve the greater good'. Many of us here would make that statement.

well in case of each one of us, we should be able to say it. As for public figures it may be slightly difficult. For instance, in case of Steve Jobs, his actions are clearly directed towards serving the good of Apple and it's shareholders (including himself). I find it difficult to see lightworker qualities in him.

[Emanuel Kingson]

I've never read about "Lightworkers" before but this sounds interesting.

A few questions that popped into my head while reading this:

Wouldn't you have to be something of a God, completely seeing how all actions will affect everything else in the universe and beyond in all eternity to be able to separate the greater bad from the greater good?

Or does the "greater good" here only point to what one person in his/her limited perspective perceives as the greater good?

And is it the "greater good" concerning all your native country's citizens, all human beings, all beings, nature, the planet or the universe?

The Socrates quote used by Dr David R. Hawkins comes to mind:

"All men do only what they believe to be the good"

I'm new to this interesting concept so if these questions have already been answered just ignore them.

Peace

Emanuel

[Hunter Swart]

Wouldn't you have to be something of a God, completely seeing how all actions will affect everything else in the universe and beyond in all eternity to be able to separate the greater bad from the greater good?

From the SR perspective, you already do see how all actions will affect everything else, because the only action that is ever taken is the one existing in the Now and your intent while performing that action defines it as good or bad. Hypothetically, if you were a God (an omniscient being experiencing all things that were and will be in one moment) you would understand that nothing is negative, because such a thought would involve time and change, which would rob you of your own Power because you would be projecting yourself elsewhere. What I mean by that is that this moment is all there is: something exists now or it doesn't, it's not as if the thing that doesn't exist was subtracted from the past.

[cacheborn]

Sometimes, I listen to Steve and Erin's podcasts at night before going to sleep. Yesterday I listened to podcast no 19, owning your dark side. Steve argues that it all depends on the answer to the question, "Do you feel unconditionally safe in this world?" If yes, you are leaning towards the lighter side. If no, your life is based on fear and you lean towards the dark side.

[rei]

i think these definitions are incomplete...
there is also the lightworker who literally works with light, for example, sending beams of light to Sanat Kumara (the planetary logos) so that presence/being can distribute the positive intentional energy where it is needed.

and there are also lightworkers who visit the crystalline grids around the planet to make repairs or connect with a higher vibration.

i think we may need to make a distinction between "new age lightworkers" and what Steve means when he discusses lightworkers.

these NAL (new age lightworkers) are often also living a service-to-all lifestyle through character and career choices. but not all of the SPL (Steve Pavlina Lightworkers) participate in this particular version of lightwork.

i am not even sure whether Steve created the concept first or the metaphysical community created it first. i don't know how i would find that out either.

does anyone have any thoughts on this distinction?

[vartann]

i am dedicated to the well being of the whole of Humanity
after building up fairly decent skill through darkworking i recently "quantum-leapt" as a lightworker
i don t mind living off crap or wearing a mere cotton shirt riding my bike through china below zero degrees because i know everyday i am giving happiness to people - money, a smile, a hand to till their land...
people can spit on me or insult me etc i don t give a **** i just go my way
doesn't keep me from sharing what i have when i come across a down-and-out

still last month a guy grabbed my 5 y old child to be rudely playful so i crushed two of his rib cage bones

you can truly and deeply love the whole Body doesn't mean you have to accept its warts


pace e salute

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

Sometimes, I listen to Steve and Erin's podcasts at night before going to sleep. Yesterday I listened to podcast no 19, owning your dark side. Steve argues that it all depends on the answer to the question, "Do you feel unconditionally safe in this world?" If yes, you are leaning towards the lighter side. If no, your life is based on fear and you lean towards the dark side.

I also think feeling safe is an important part of being a lightworker. Someone who feels safe is relaxed and open to all-that-is flowing through them. They have no fear of annihilation or being devoured by God or the Universe and they willingly surrender themselves to the greater good.

So, while it may not be possible or even necessary to define exactly what the greater good is, perhaps it is possible to define the prerequisites for its allowance and existence in the world. The greater good cannot exist in our reality unless we allow it.

Definition attempt #1: A lightworker is someone who feels profoundly safe regardless of outer circumstances and has been humble enough to surrender their own ego to the service of God/the Universe aka the greater good.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Michelle

I also think feeling safe is an important part of being a lightworker. Someone who feels safe is relaxed and open to all-that-is flowing through them. They have no fear of annihilation or being devoured by God or the Universe and they willingly surrender themselves to the greater good.

So, while it may not be possible or even necessary to define exactly what the greater good is, perhaps it is possible to define the prerequisites for its allowance and existence in the world. The greater good cannot exist in our reality unless we allow it.

Definition attempt #1: A lightworker is someone who feels profoundly safe regardless of outer circumstances and has been humble enough to surrender their own ego to the service of God/the Universe aka the greater good.

Yes, I agree. Feeling unconditionally safe is an integral part. When you are feeling safe, all your decisions will be based upon that. Whereas if you do not feel safe, decisions you take will be to protect yourself.

Have to think about the definition of greater good.

[vartann]

i don't agree
Niccolo Machiavelli's basic tenet was concerned with working for the good of the MULTITUDE versus the small group
so he should be "classified" as a lightworker
but given that the multitude is by definition the "sheepish followers", this logically entails manipulation

anyway this is a false debate:
lightworkers and darkworkers alike are acting from a self-centered perspectives
and it s ok since there s only ONE Ultimate Higher Self (the Source/Tao/Force whatever)

[Tanja]

Interesting, I haven't read much about the Light/darkworkers.
The question that came to my mind was something vartann mentions here in his post.

Originally Posted by vartann

after building up fairly decent skill through darkworking i recently "quantum-leapt" as a lightworker

Is being a lightworker (or darkworker) a conscious decision, do you decide to be a lightworker? Or is it something that you just feel you are?
Is it possible to be a lightworker in one area of your life and a darkworker in others?

[themaster]

does anyone have any thoughts on this distinction?

Lots of thoughts actually but I think defining ourselves in classification doesn't help

But other than that.. seems like the word "lightworker" reminds me of the word "lightbody" I guess a word that's been around a while..

This is first time I've read a definition of "lightworker" and was unaware that steve even used those terms..

To a true darkworker, the life of another human being is as inconsequential as the life of a food animal. The energy of other people is nothing more than a meal or a snack. If the darkworker drains or harms other people on the path to his goals, it’s considered no big deal. The darkworker has to eat, right? Other people are valued only in terms of their ability to bring the darkworker pleasure.

You see this description doesn't work.. replace human being with insect.. does that make us all monsters cause we kill insects? or what about chickens or cattle if we enjoy a "happy meal"?

This sounds like judgment games.. I would stay far away from such games.. if I was YOU

Judgments games are labels.. so why do we still have to label everything?

My teacher is going to teach me if I understand right, how to look at the world with "no labels" to not be able to go, fence post, tv, hair dryer etc. obviously one of those labels will be "lightworker" "darkworker" cause it's so IMPORTANT.. we label our fellow humans.. yes.. these descriptions as labels are negative.. (they don't serve) if we apply them to other people.. and even to ourselves they are limitations.

So all I have to say is from the a negative perspective these labels don't serve us.. I didn't say there wasn't a positive perspective to it though and that is to not bother or even think of it like that

These questions right here.. are just one example of how LABELS don't serve us.

Originally Posted by Tanja

Is being a lightworker (or darkworker) a conscious decision, do you decide to be a lightworker? Or is it something that you just feel you are?
Is it possible to be a lightworker in one area of your life and a darkworker in others?

And that is a judgment/observation

[vartann]

Originally Posted by Tanja

Interesting, I haven't read much about the Light/darkworkers.
The question that came to my mind was something vartann mentions here in his post.


Is being a lightworker (or darkworker) a conscious decision, do you decide to be a lightworker? Or is it something that you just feel you are?
Is it possible to be a lightworker in one area of your life and a darkworker in others?

hi,
no of course it was not a decision - although it was conscious
rather a progression after polarizing for quite a long time in the pursuit of "power" for personal/ego reasons (not malevolent reasons though, which might account, or not, for the potential to subsequently quantum-leap as "light-")

as Steve put it in choicer words, the dichotomy is illusion - just different stages on the same path
(provided that you ever dedicate yourself to the Path...)

although some (few) people may come up as "natural born lightworkers", my take on it is that going through the Darkworker Stage to emerge as a Lightworker is far more empowering, as you'll come up having mustered more Power coming to terms with the "Heart of Darkness"

hope this helps
cheers

[vartann]

sorry i forgot answering your 2nd question:

even after emerging as Light, you OUGHT TO keep seeking personal Power... only that the "redistribution" shall be along other lines, that s all
..............................

[Tanja]

Originally Posted by vartann

hope this helps
cheers

Thank you vartann for explaining your take on it!!

[Tanja]

Originally Posted by themaster

So all I have to say is from the a negative perspective these labels don't serve us.. I didn't say there wasn't a positive perspective to it though and that is to not bother or even think of it like that
These questions right here.. are just one example of how LABELS don't serve us.

I agree with you that labelling/judging doesn't serve us I wouldn't say I was judging, just inquiring, using the concepts already there.

[vartann]

Originally Posted by Tanja

Thank you vartann for explaining your take on it!!

most welcome, Lady

[johnpaul]

We are not all light-workers.

Light-workers are very few and far between.
There is immense evil and darkness on the planet.
This is the reason that light-workers have accepted the enormous challenge to come down to the planet and try lift the vibration by channelling love-light into the darkness that humankind has made the planet.

The definition of lightworker, precludes everyone being a lightworker.

It should be obvious to all that not everyone is a light-worker.
The muslim men who raid the villages of black Christians in Darfur and massacure the men, and torture and rape the women and cut off their breasts are not lightworkers.
The oppressive military dictatorship of North Korea who puts the money into the military and nuclear bombs will the peasants starve to death are not lightworkers.
The 3,500 Catholic priests who practice evil and sodomized little boys are not lightworkers.

The statement,"We are all light-workers" is as the Japanese say
"Like a rotten boat freshly painted"

It sounds all nice and lovey on the surface but is not below the surface.
Light-workers make an immense sacrifice to come to the earth plane.
To be in this darkness is incredibly painful.

To make the untruth is to trivialize the great sacrifice they made.

[supertom]

i think mistakes we are making here is

1. we're looking for the perfect lightworker which i don't believe exists and i believe that everybody has a shadow

2.I think its going to be very hard to find a famous lightworker since the media shapes the image of that person in their own context, I believe you can only know a lightworker when you have a direct experience and connection with that person.

laters

[Cado]

Originally Posted by supertom

i think mistakes we are making here is

1. we're looking for the perfect lightworker which i don't believe exists and i believe that everybody has a shadow

Exactly, and no sane lightworker would want to exorcise his shadow even if he could. You don't have any power if you're not whole. If you attempt to be pure light you are in effect saying that you can face the challenges this world presents you without will and without passion. The goal of polarization is not to lobotomize yourself or grasp a false ideal, it's to bring everything into alignment with a particular goal (promoting oneness) or faculty (crown chakra).

2.I think its going to be very hard to find a famous lightworker since the media shapes the image of that person in their own context, I believe you can only know a lightworker when you have a direct experience and connection with that person.

The same is true of any polarized person, light or dark. There are two reasons. The first is as you said: second hand information is always inaccurate, or at least it's never as good as face-to-face interaction with someone. Secondly, it's too easy to get caught up in what a polarized person -should- be that you fail to identify someone who's done it but doesn't fit the mold.

[vartann]

Originally Posted by Michelle

Does lightworker = saint or is it simply someone who does their best to follow a love based path? Do making mistakes, committing crimes, or partaking in other morally questionable behavior of the day automatically disqualify one from lightworkerdom?

there is only ONE Path - of Love
Fear and Hatred are but hurdles on the Path

[Kathe76]

"You cannot know "good" if you don't know "bad". You cannot know what it feels like to be in the "light" unless you know what "darkness" is."

"The tension created by the duality of opposites, the see-saw of life, allows balance to be achieved. This balance may require you to be so much in the light to feel worthy because you have been in the darkness of unworthiness for so long."

"The fulcrum of the see-saw of balance is your reference point. The further down you have gone, the further up you need to go to eventually be in balance. The duality of opposites is continually required to enable you to find your balance and, thereafter, to keep in balance."
above taken from:
GuideSpeak

Ok, here is my question. I understand the meanings of lightworker/darkworker, but is it important to live on one side of the fence instead of the other? What I mean is, if the above definition of duality is correct, wouldnt one seek to acheive balance, not point A or point B? Isnt the point of life to live and to grow and expierence? If we pick point a or point b, we only live in those points and never see the beauty of point L.
Most things in life are based on an either one or the other view point of duality and personally I like to think that my life has endless possabilites. Thoughts please as I am looking for more information on this. Thank you.