What is it with Darkworkers exactly?

[Cantando]

If you are a darkworker, do you ever fear losing your power? Do you ever fear losing control? Do you ever fear that someone may use their power against you?

I was just wondering.

I have read various posts by so-called darkworkers, and they all seem to project the same sort of strong, tough persona, telling us how brave they are for going into some imaginary, unchartered territory of the mind.

They often congratulate themselves as to how good they are at manifesting what they want, and make elitist comments about how weak and sheep-like the rest of us are.

They often mention fear, as if the rest of us are all 'scaredy-cats', cowering in corners, scared stiff of life and death. Rest assured that many of us aren't, thank you very much, and don't know anything about darkworking.

I have a theory that, perhaps, darkworkers, themselves, are afraid, particularly of their own mortality, or of really opening up their hearts to others, and construct illusory strategies to get around that fear. I sense they are fighting a losing battle as they try to manipulate energy to manifest what they want - immortality of the body, everlasing youth, fantastic sex, or whatever.

Perhaps, it is a male, macho thing? Whenever I read a post by a 'darkworker', a picture comes to mind of Darth Vader. Are they, in fact, just stuck in a Star Wars movie, and never moved on? It's all a bit sad, really.

Are there any female 'darkworkers' out there?

Is darkworking a really, serious way of life for some, or just a bit of harmless fun to fill in the time, like a hobby, or something?

Just curious.

PS> Apologies in advance, if anyone feels insulted or outraged at what I've said. Just cast a spell on me, and I'll go Poof!

[Willworker]

Female darkworkers exist just as much as male darkworkers - they may be more hypocritical about it, but I'm sure that all of you know women who enjoy inspiring jealousy or knowing that they can control/draw men and intimidate other women. They might be even less open about what they do. By itself, darkworking is simply a focus on power.

And yes, there is a certain fear of loss of control or power. I don't believe its evil. Essentially it works like this: the world is filled with wolves and rabbits. The choice to be a rabbit is a choice for pain. The choice to be a wolf is a choice for conflict and destruction, but it has at least a greater assurance of control. That's not evil. Its just nature.

Lightworkers don't actually fit into that dynamic - they're not really just rabbits. Neither are they wolves. I'm not totally sure what to make of them. Unlike your appraisal, though, I actually greatly respect lightworkers. They work at things from a different end, but its nonetheless effective and if it brings them happiness, all the more power to them. Nor do I think that lightworkers are frightened or scared - certainly some of them are, but mostly it applies to individuals who've yet to pick a polarity to go with.

I also don't think I'm doing much 'new' or 'dynamic'; the exact understanding might be, but the process itself is virtually a fact of nature. Powerful individuals have envisioned and sought power for thousands of years, whether or not they understood LOA consciously. What am I doing which is much new?

And ultimately, I can feel that what I do is arguably good. What is necessary for almost any great undertaking or project? Power. The pyramids were built with slave labor. Wars are won with a concentration of power in the higher ranks. Most of the development of humanity has come due to an individual desire for power(wealth is a form of power) - even capitalism is based around this very concept. Power by itself is neutral - its how one uses it to makes it good or evil.

PS: You can cast a spell on me too. Its called 'close window' and consists of clicking on the little x on your window

PPS: Darkworking, for me, is hardly something that I am gloriously proud to align to. It was more of a fundamental realization that it was how I always lived life. I do plan on trying the Lightworker 30 day trial next month - given that I've spent most of my childhood and adult life realizing that weakness invites pain and I can genuinely admire darkworkers like Vlad Putin, that should be an interesting month.

[Xanafax]

I am a Darkworker.

I command the unholy forces of the universe and reign over those in my life from my infernal throne.

I destroy those in my way whether innocent or not, I hate everyone and everything in life because it threatens me.

Life itself is scary, and I'm afraid, that's why I do what I do. I actually stole money from my mother to fund my drug habit because i'm a darkworker and what do I care about my moms feelings?

She's just a stupid sheep anyway, you all are, one day you'll all bow down to my greatness.


Just for those of you who haven't got a sense of humour that was sarcasm, mostly pointing out peoples fundamental misunderstandings about the darkworker type philosophy, if you LIKED what I just said, and think it might be for you - seek medical help.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Willworker

Female darkworkers exist just as much as male darkworkers - they may be more hypocritical about it, ...

Hmm, they sound interesting. Could you introduce me to one? I don't mind if they're hypocritical!

Essentially it works like this: the world is filled with wolves and rabbits.

Interesting philosophical assessment of the nature of human existence.

Lightworkers don't actually fit into that dynamic - they're not really just rabbits. Neither are they wolves. I'm not totally sure what to make of them.

Neither am I. Cute, little, tufty, red squirrels, perhaps?

PS: You can cast a spell on me too. Its called 'close window' and consists of clicking on the little x on your window

Ah, manifesting through the path of least resistance!

I do plan on trying the Lightworker 30 day trial next month.

I like the sound of that: Calling all Darkworkers. Special offer. Special 30 day Lightworker trial. Absolutely free!

But, what do Darkworkers do in the evenings, when they come home from work/the pub? That's what I'm really interested in.

Do they get out their Darkworker Magic Box, and practice Darkworker tricks? Do they subscribe to the Darkworkers Monthly Digest - a kind of Reader's Digest for Darkworkers?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

I destroy those in my way whether innocent or not, I hate everyone and everything in life because it threatens me.

Cool!

[Willworker]

Assuming that you're serious...

I'm sure you know of such female darkworkers already. There's no need for me to introduce them; I knew a girl who arranged for her boyfriend and her ex to be at the same bar as the same time. Needless to say, a fight broke out. She was thrilled beyond people. Raw power is a thrilling experience.

We're more likely to see recreation that's competitive rather than cooperative, or focus on the competitive - if we're into organized sports, for example, our aim would be overall victory against another team rather than the joy of being in a team. If it isn't a team sport, then we're focused on personal victory.

We're more likely to focus on development as a method of improving ourselves as means of power. I worked out with the idea that it would give me more strength, and more strength would give me a competitive advantage in my sports, etc. I suspect while our aims are generally more force and power related, our actual actions may not be too dissimilar from what lightworkers do.

If there are 'darkworker' books or magazines, those generally focus on success more than social responsibility. Forbes(which I subscribe to) and Fortune magazine would be decent examples; neither of them focus on social responsibility except as means of further success.

Some of us amuse ourselves with practicing 'magic tricks' like the Pickup Artist and Fast Seduction techniques, yes. Its amusing.

[blossom]

I've heard of lightworkers , and indeed know a few...I have never heard of darkworkers though??

From the scenarios given of women setting men up to make them jealous etc. I thought that was just a regular ole power play stemming from the insecurity of the female who gets a buzz from being a bit mean...I've done it myself...when I was a teenager! Didn't realize their was an actual title for it...maybe I was one and then turned to the light...that sounds really corny though! It sounds like it's creating a notorious persona for someone who just likes to cause trouble cos that's what gets them off?

[Willworker]

Notorious persona is only because of a mistaken perception. But yes, what you did is a virtually pitch perfect example of darkworking: you gained pleasure from causing, on some level, destruction and disharmony. Its just fun! Its not like they won't recover from it anyway, and besides, if they can't, they probably were too weak to handle life anyway, right?

Or...the 'they' is not even worth thinking about. THAT WAS FUN!

That's darkworking, yes. And have you really "turned to the light"? Perhaps deep down inside, its heck of a lot more interested and motivating to do stuff that's fun for you. Its nice to have that buzz of power. It doesn't need to be any one aspect: you might love the idea of other women being envious of your clothes, your position, your boyfriend; perhaps you date someone fundamentally less stable to 'care for them' but actually enjoy more the sense of worship and power you have; perhaps you thrive in office politics, pitting one side off each other.

Its not necessarily "wrong" except to lightworkers - heck, the rabbits might need the education that comes only from the careful application of emotional pain. You're doing them a favor. And besides, if you are indeed a darkworker, then you can be remarkably dependable and reliable as a darkworker, since I know that you'll always be working to increase your pleasure and power.

So, if I may, I wouldn't mind welcoming you to the Darkworker clubhouse and enrolling you in the free Darkworker's digest. I hear the kit comes with a whip and handcuffs too.

And perhaps Cantando has successfully manifested her wish to meet a female darkworker

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Perhaps, it is a male, macho thing? Whenever I read a post by a 'darkworker', a picture comes to mind of Darth Vader. Are they, in fact, just stuck in a Star Wars movie, and never moved on? It's all a bit sad, really.

Star Wars is based on the Hero's Journey described in The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. I haven't read the work yet (just ordered it a couple of days ago). While researching mythologies of different cultures Joseph Campbell discovered a similar underlying structure in different stories of cultures that had never been in touch.

This structure seems to be deeply ingrained into the human mind and Star Wars is just a representation of something deeper inside of us. This manifests itself into the external world. I personally do not completely see the darkworker and lightworker distinction in reality very clearly, but there seems to be a lot more to it than I initially thought.

[Daffy Duck]

What do you call someone who's in-between? A grayworker?

That'd be me. I can pick and choose which perspective is best, depending on the situation. I'm probably more of a lightworker though.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

In-betweeners are simply neutral. Surely one can lean in one direction more than the other but lightworker tendencies don't push one any closer to being a lightworker unless there's a commitment to that path.

Polarity is fairly simple. You polarize upon realizing that you're responsible for your destiny and the way you polarize depends on your focus (self or others). It's difficult to identify via external evidence since it's primarily an internal phenomenon. Polarization is about motives, not actions. While there are some actions a lightworker would never take and vice versa, those are more difficult to define than you might think. It's because of the tendency to define one path as good and the other as evil. So long as you hold onto that misconception true understanding is impossible.

It's very, very simple. But that's what makes it so hard to explain. We are born into a world where nothing is simple, where hypocrisy is not only favored but encouraged. Imposing a clear standard where there is so much confusion only heightens confusion for part of one's journey. It forces you to question everything, to do away with what doesn't work, and streamline your every thought and action so that it's in harmony with your true desires.

Darkworkers are not evil. They are not childish. They are not afraid. Not the successful ones, at least. True courage eliminates fear, though it does increase one's ability to strike fear into the hearts of others. One constant is the will to dominate. That word makes it sound much more violent than it might seem to an outside observer. Domination simply equates to control of oneself and one's environment. Darkworkers are proactive. That isn't to say a lightworker cannot be proactive, but a lightworker can leave something in the hands of the universe and be content. A darkworker cannot. They are the instrument through which their desires manifest. Surely there are benefits to taking your hands off the proverbial wheel now and again, but never mistake that for giving up control. No, the ability to direct the flow of events while seemingly doing very little is the mark of someone who is truly powerful.

Another constant is a strong survival instinct. This may originate from intense fear but it eventually transforms into self-love. "I am the most important thing in existence." It may sound egotistical, and indeed it might be if the darkworker is new to the path and arrogant in his ways. That kind of darkworker will be humbled (he must- he's practically begging for it). Someone who is starting to become aware of their divinity understands the truth behind that statement and it takes on an entirely new meaning.

According to lightworkers, darkworkers are fear based. It's how they define polarity- love and fear. This premise, though inaccurate, is widely accepted because would-be lightworkers dominate the discussion. (To be fair, mischaracterization of the other side is common amongst darkworkers too.) Of course, would-be darkworkers often do little to dispel this notion. Some of them really do want to become psychopaths, it seems. Strictly speaking, it would be inaccurate to say they aren't darkworkers; it's one of the potential results of choosing that path. However, there are pitfalls to lightworking too, and the fact that so few spot them indicates that people don't understand the light either. What's worse is that many seem to think they understand it because they associate light with good and so their misconceptions go unacknowledged and uncorrected. That defeats the purpose of polarization which is (in part) to stimulate growth.

To reiterate, if notions of what is good and evil go unquestioned, you've either not polarized or you are likely to become dangerous to yourself and others as more energy becomes available to you.

For the record, I would call myself a beginner. I've polarized both ways for very brief periods of time. I've gone deep enough to feel my way through the initial stages of each side and I've caught a glimpse of what lies beyond where I've been. My most successful attempt was when I polarized as a darkworker for around one month and because of that experience I've decided that's the path I want to pursue. As stated above, I first sought this power as a means of self-preservation but it transformed into a deep self-love that makes the idea of being subservient to the whims and needs of others a thoroughly repugnant idea. In other words everything I've written is based on my own experience. Take it for what you will.

[blossom]

Well I know that I used to enjoy doing some pretty wicked things when I was younger, and I do have a mean streak in me...and so far, trying to be all light and fluffy just doesn't sit well for me...and I think I've become terribly grumpy because I just won't let myself be "evil"! It is more fun, but I think being kind takes more strength somehow. So I have cultivated that side of myself...but if I am truly honest with myself, I am bored to death...and I hear the calling to be evil within me...and resist! Anyone heard that song by Eartha Kitt- "I wanna be Evil"...that's me! I'm tired of being so good all the time!

Loads of lightworkers and 'ïndigo' have treated me with wariness...and accused me of doing evil things when I didn't...it's like they could see I am a meanie deep down, though I do my best to be kind as well...it just seems in my nature to be mean! I also cannot abide anyone trying to dominate me...male or female. Most of the witches that have crossed my path I have not remained friends with...for that reason!

It's not so much that I go out of my way to play people against each other...but if I percieve someone to have done me a bad turn...such as a witch I once knew who I had been part of a coven with, who let me down pretty terribly when I really needed a friend to be there for me, not to rescue me , as she percieved me to be asking of her...well, I saw her out one eve, and she had just had a haircut but didn't want to show anyone, and had it hidden under a hat...When everyone was watching the band play, and it was just me and her and another woman, my hand started twitching and I couldn't help but rip her hat off, exposing her really bad suzi quatro do...and then told her not to worry, no one was even looking at her (being a narcissist, that would have been the part that stung the most!)...does that qualify as a darkworker...or am I just a normal round of the mill Vengeful Bee-atch?

I do believe in the concept of Power WITH rather than power-over though, so I guess that makes me more on the light side. I kinda switch according to the situation, as Daffy Duck said! In general though, being introverted, I am way too considerate and thoughtful of others to just cause people harm without feeling terrible for hurting them. That's what happens when you have a heart I guess...oh well!

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

What do you call someone who's in-between? A grayworker?

Close enough.

In the occult world, there is white magick, and black magick, and yes, there is something called grey magick as well.

It refers to the kind of magick you do for your own benefit, without any intention to either help or harm others.

[Spiritual Wealth]

Its very hard to say this especially because I understand the power of the word and focus. I live in a society/culture of darkworkers. They feel that you must subjugate your philosophy so they will gain comfort and confidence. Not seeing that the fault is with their belief and their identity of who they are.

They think we are the stupid weak and faulty ones. Stuffed up with their pompous egos, strutting around trying to shape the world in their chaotic image of reality. They tell us this is the way things ought to be, dance this way, talk this way walk this way. There is only be right and wrong. The world is a world of absolutes.

Yet they also realize, deep within the cause of their insecurity is their ignorance of what is true. Sometimes resolute in their resistance to accept the truth that we are all unique but one. We are all divine and free. There is no need to control other to get your outcome. Simply be and let be, open up to the flow of true reality and all else is. Forgive and let go, move on and be free that is the key.

[blossom]

I tend to agree with you there in your analysis, Spiritual Wealth!
I used to be that way,really mean and a bully, but I came to understand from a heart place that we are all sensitive...and darkworkers are as well, they just hide behind a mask of "tough" which they percieve to be strength...it's a distortion, but they don't see it that way.
They are simply disconnected from their own feelings... male conditioning doesn't help the situation either.
I think it is part of the dysfunction of this species that most people have grown up in terribly abusive households where LOVE was an alien concept...and FEAR was something that was used to control others...this is how Bullies are made. Insecure little boys and girls who are mistreated by their own parents and then turn to the smaller, supposedly "weaker" ones in the playground at school and act out their parents abuse, essentially becoming their parents in this way...but it's all a massive distortion in the bullies perception , and it gives them a brief sense of "power"...but it is based on the Ego , which likes to hurt! Destruction is a side to us all, and it's a choice whether you wish to be Loki or Sarasvati!

The Ego isn't the Self, but a mere particle of what an individual human being is composed of!
The real Power comes from deep inside the SELF, but the Ego has managed to convince and essentially trick the person into believing IT is all there is...this is an illusion, and a straight out LIE that it tells itself to ensure it's continual reign of "power" and it's survival! Truth is we ALL contain strong AND weak aspects in varying degrees...including the darkworkers. Yes, there are alot of SHEEPLE out there who prefer to let the government think for them, while they give away their power in return for mediocrity and mind-numbing subsistence...but we ALL have the capacity to think for ourselves and design our own lives and fulfill our potential as humans...society doesn't exactly encourage it though...the government doesn't WANT people thinking for themselves, the Catholic Church doesn't WANT people thinking for themselves, just as the Darkworkers don't WANT anyone to stand up to them incase they lose their "power" structure!

I got in touch with my feelings and I see them as valid now, so there is no real way I CAN go back to being the way I was, even if I do occasionally get the urge to, I'm too much of an Empath for that!
I find Envy to be an emotion that creates Alienation, I have had loads of people be jealous of me in my past, as I am an attractive woman who grew up in a nice part of the town I lived in and went to a good school, and guess what...it only made me feel lonely and alienated and without any real friends who could see past the exterior...it WASN'T a feeling I enjoyed and anyone who does enjoy making people jealous and envious of them is coming from a place of illusion that they are somehow superior to others!
Superiority complexes stem from deep insecurities about feeling INFERIOR themselves, so to participate in that feels like it is being a part of a World that I would like to see change...because it's basically just NASTY and sick!

When an individual comes from the Ego space...and it's majorly encouraged in this society to do so, so there is not much in the way of anything that would make them WANT to give it up. They can only change when they have had a REAL experience of their own emotional world and opening of their heart. There are some "people" in this world who are a breed different to human...the Psychopath and Sociopath, and I don't claim to understand them, except to say that they are totally and utterly DEVOID of heart space and feeling. Maybe this would be an easier place to come from, but most of us simply aren't wired that way...we do have heart space and it is blocked for many but it is still accessible, and it's what keeps it all in balance I guess...there is alot of "evil" in the world because loads of people are so wounded and have cut themselves off from the heart, but there are some that want to come from there. It isn't weakness...it's STRENGTH! But it makes it a whole lot more justifiable for the darkworkers to think otherwise!

It sounds really corny I know but LOVE is really the greatest power there is, and it's everywhere! It's the essence of true Magick! I wish for Everyone who has been deprived of this magickal substance to discover it's Mystery for themselves and see what lies beyond fear!

[gigij]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Hmm, they sound interesting. Could you introduce me to one? I don't mind if they're hypocritical!

Do they get out their Darkworker Magic Box, and practice Darkworker tricks? Do they subscribe to the Darkworkers Monthly Digest - a kind of Reader's Digest for Darkworkers?

I am 100% female and 100% Darkworker. Who am I - a mom, a wife, a normal everyday woman. It's not a choice to be made and I don't think it can change. Just looked deep inside and truthfully examine my motivations and there it is ...
And power is a wonderful thing by the way .

[AthenaMarina]

I think I am a greyworker too. And like you say sometimes it depends on the situation.