Polarity FAQ

[Andrew Gubb]

I'm putting together an FAQ of polarity. If you'd like to help, please write suggestions for frequently asked questions, and perhaps links to posts that answer them (or your own answers).

[Xanafax]

I think when it comes to Polarity and lot of people get very confused over what is a very simple topic.

Essentially you can live for the collective.

Or live for yourself.

It's as simple as that. People's definitions differ. Obviously everyone is biased, and everyone has an angle.

Lightworking is living for the collective. It's about serving the greater good, in other words what is best for the world is the highest good.

Darkworking is about living for the self. It's about serving your personal selfishness. What is good for the self, is the greatest good.

In my opinion Darkworking is far superior to Lightworking because Darkworking is about rational self interest, whilst Lightworking is new-age communism.

Like I say though, that's my opinion.

Now on to the next bit people get confused about. A lot of people seem to think they are "more Lightworker" or "A bit of both - Greyworker" this is nonsense. Steve has explicitly stated that -Working is a conscious choice. It's a difficult and powerful process.

None of us on the forum, bar one or two, have actually Polarised. If you think you have, but you live in a shack, or you have poor health, or your unhappy then your lying to yourself.

I haven't. But I am in the process of becoming a Darkworker. I consider myself a COMPLETE novice at it, and I don't put in anything like the effort I should, but its coming together.

Furthermore I'm tired of hearing about "Greyworking" There is no such thing, if you think there is (or can be) then you obviously don't understand the point of Polarising.

Polarisation is about focussing all your energy in one direction, about mentally sharpening the sword on one side, or fortifying the shield on the other. You can't be a Lightworker and care about yourself more than you do about others. You can't be a Darkworker if you care about others more than your self.

However a highly evolved -Worker will look exactly the same to someone on the outside because the actions will be almost identical. If you don't understand how that can be, you aren't ready to consider Polarisation as a lifestyle choice.

Because that's what it is, essentially. It's a lifestyle choice. It's a bit of a bigger one than becoming Vegan or running every morning, but its a lifestyle choice none-the-less.

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I will now offer some advice for those who don't know much about either philosophy.

Try them. I can only say try them. If one resonates with you, stick with it, if it doesn't you aren't ready to think about it.

For me, I found that rational self interest, selfishness, and working for myself to be a far more rewarding and enjoyable mindset to have, than working for the whole.

For me, Darkworking is about becoming a God on Earth. It's about achieving our individual potential and becoming the best we can be. It's about being my toughest task master, and my most rewarding friend.

I give myself permission to exist as an individual, free from the influence of others. It's hard, and I still struggle with it alot, but I'm getting there.

It's also about creation and destruction and understand the balance between the two. I can create with the application of my mind, of logic and thought. It's not automatic, it's not spiritual or mystical, thought is created by will, will is created by effort, effort is created by desire, desire is created by the Ego.

I can also destroy, I destroy without mercy that which stands in my way. A person who seeks only to hold me back is my enemy. A situation that restricts me must be overcome with the full force of my effort. Pain is a signal something must be improved. Happiness is a signal that my life is being lived, and my reward is that happiness.

Destruction and creation are concepts a Darkworker has to be familiar with. There can be no weakness for a Darkworker. Life must be lived. We as Humans are unique in that we can choose between life and death. We can willingly end our own lives. Therefore we must have freewill, and we must choose to live. Life is not an imperative for us. We have to create life, we have to fight for it, we have to make it our own.

When you understand that, you understand why a Darkworker is as he is. He is not cold or cruel. He is a realist. He knows that A=A and pretending otherwise is intellectual suicide. Life must be lived, it cannot be passively observed.

[CroMagna]

That about sums it up. I will just say what I like about it.

I'm a problem-solver. That's my personality. INTJ (introversion intuition thought judgement). Whenever a problem arises I immediately start researching solutions to the problem and fixing it. That's how I graduated from high school, got into a top school, and went on to other successful things. I even found a way to end racism in America, through a book called, appropriately, The End of Racism by Dinesh D'Souza. But sometimes in life there are problems that seem completely unsolvable. The main one for me was: people. The world is filled with wastes of space, beggars, parasites, wastrels, and cruel and obnoxious people. Sexism was the worst but really cruelty in general. There was no way to solve it. I found myself constantly resentful and annoyed. I wanted to go live in the woods, even away from other misanthropes. Many people would say "forgive, let it go, learn to love yourself, give, heal, grow, share." These people might be the most irritating. I knew that healy new age claptrap was completely out of the question and was for Christian spaniels. Rather than sitting around feeling sorry for myself, I decided to implement this polarity theory. When you are completely self-interested, you stop worrying about the world of cruel people. You also stop helping these cruel people which makes you feel satisfied. The cruel people freed me. They freed me from the moral obligation to help them. Self-sacrifice and martyrdom are not honorable. They are for fools.

Darkworking makes you feel focused on the present moment rather than excessively worried about others or thinking about something irritating involving them. It is perfectly suited for my value system that includes objectivism, libertarianism, and social Darwinism, as well as my religion of (LaVeyan) Satanism.

It gives you more energy, it makes you more useful, and it makes you more hopeful.

Now I don't say "I can succeed in spite of people." I say "I can and probably will succeed BECAUSE of people." Did I create a reality where people are irritating? Who knows, but either way, it comes in handy.

[Andrew Brunelle]

Light working and darkworking are lifestyle choices that are very difficult to truly define. It's more of a feeling and intention than something you can put into words. This explains why many people confuse it and have all these questions. I would challenge everyone to say that if you don't know what a true darkworker or lightworker is, then you are not one. And it's just a label anyway. It's one of those new-agey labels that turns a lot of people off. Polarizing is something less than 1% of people do in their entire lives, and most people on this forum will never completely polarize.

I have great respect for any true lightworkers or darkworkers, though. Its because they get it, something I have trouble with, but am getting better each day at understanding the true mindsets of each side of the coin. It is a gigantic commitment to polarize either way completely and it takes great thought and wisdom to appropriately make that choice for yourself.

Which is why most people will never do it. It takes so much effort to get to the point where you can honestly say that you're one or the other.

[CroMagna]

I have a couple questions:

1) How could lightworkers and darkworkers possibly look visually similar to everyone else? Aren't lightworkers environmentalists and darkworkers CEOs? Otherwise what's the point?

2) How do you actually know if you're finally polarized?

[Xanafax]

Well Cro Steve is a Lightworker and he's essentially a business man. Anyone looking from the outside in could just see an entrepenuer, which you would assume was a darkworker.

And I reckon you know you when you've polarised because you never have to think if a situation is right for you, or you never have to wonder if your on the right path.

[Eric Revelin]

Think about torture- a lightworker would be against torture solely on principle. A darkworker wouldn't give a damn. In fact, the darkworker would use it without hesitation if it were the most effective way to get information. However, if you take modern sensibilities into account, allowing torture would be political suicide. Not only that, you'd be giving your enemy propaganda they can use to recruit more people to their cause. Avoiding torture is the most prudent move.

To break it down, thinking and acting tactically isn't much different than "doing the right thing". And that's assuming the latter doesn't give the darkworker warm fuzzies. They're still human, they're not immune to that kind of thing, it's just that what you get out of it isn't nearly as important as the fact that they initiated it.

That's not to say there are no differences. If nobody will know what he does and the stakes are high the darkworker won't pull any punches whereas the lightworker will still restrain himself. Basically if you wanna see what someone truly is apply some pressure and burn the law book.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

Now on to the next bit people get confused about. A lot of people seem to think they are "more Lightworker" or "A bit of both - Greyworker" this is nonsense. Steve has explicitly stated that -Working is a conscious choice. It's a difficult and powerful process.

Out of curiosity -- I haven't heard of that -- who was talking about Greyworking?

That...makes...no...sense...

[Xanafax]

Several people on this site seem to think they are "Greyworkers" or consider it the superior philosophy.

[princelucfiehr]

it means, you're not polarized. Average is grey, and the un-polarized all have moments where they swing on way or the other, but only briefly. Grey-worker is a ridiculous term, frankly. But Im not here to talk of that.
Rather, I want to add a point to Darkworker and Lightworker: usually polarization happens after a person realizes how much pain and suffering they have either caused others, or themselves. Polarization is sort of a reform. Those who were jerks to everyone around them, become compelled out of love and remorse to help others. Those who didnt value themselves and caused themselves to be miserable or to subject themselves to unnecessary suffering will suddenly be compelled to put themselves first.
good questions obviously are: what is dark/light? Does dark mean evil? (I'll supply the answer-NO) Does light mean you have to be a saint? (again, no, this is again results of what we associate with the terms light and dark) How long does it take to reach a certain level? How do I know I've polarized? Etc.

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Think about torture- a lightworker would be against torture solely on principle. A darkworker wouldn't give a damn. In fact, the darkworker would use it without hesitation if it were the most effective way to get information. However, if you take modern sensibilities into account, allowing torture would be political suicide. Not only that, you'd be giving your enemy propaganda they can use to recruit more people to their cause. Avoiding torture is the most prudent move.

A lightworker still has to face the problem of utilitarianism. On that basis I'd say that a lightworker could do exactly what the darkworker does, except the intentions are different. The darkworker does it for himself, while the lightworker does it under the belief that it's for the greater good.

Having said all of this.
I'm still completely against the idea of polarisation on the basis that it makes little sense in theory. A lightworker is somebody who focuses on the greater good of humanity, except... all people are doomed to be self-interested. It's not possible to escape this human nature, as altruistic as something may be, altruism doesn't exist as people have egos.

The whole point behind polarisation is Intense focus - Therefore it needn't be important what you are polarising towards, but that you are polarising towards something for efficiency. I personally prefer the idea given around here by some: Polarisation towards love etc.

Problem is that will require clarification and defining. Which is what people will argue is the problem with that. But I don't think light/dark polarisation don't have their own problems, otherwise why would confusion exist?

I've argued this before, but there are many successful people who are neither lightworkers nor darkworkers. They are self-interested workers who may be motivated by completely different reasons. It could be a drive to become stronger due to a death or whatever. They had a strong motivational influence factor.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

Several people on this site seem to think they are "Greyworkers" or consider it the superior philosophy.

Yes there was mention of greyworkers or smartworkers.

[Eric Revelin]

Protip: you don't get to call yourself smart if you lack basic reading comprehension. Grey=/=Polarity

[Asmoday]

Well, I'm coming from this perspective, so keep that in mind:

Polarization and Polarity

Now, as I've defined it, a person polarizes when they come to the complete experiential knowledge that they are 100% creating their own life (and therefore responsible for ALL of it). This isn't something you can think your way into (that comes later) -- its a deep awakening. Polarity comes during the reflection upon this insight, and one will either focus in their mind on what they have caused to others or what they have caused themselves. They will reflect on both, but eventually, a focus emerges. Around this seed, Polarity arises. It is around this seed that the power is drawn, the edge, the boost that polarity provides.

Greyworking doesn't function, because if one doesn't focus, one has no real battery to draw the extra juice, and more importantly, the mind won't anchor the polarization insight, the awakening, itself, and will eventually sink back down into old patterns, relinquish responsibilty, and fall back into the former sleep.

This is also why I disagree with the notion that what separates the Polarities is this whole love-fear concept. First of all, Darkworkers experience love. They just do. More importantly, the fear idea just doesn't hold up to what we observe in the field, or really, to common logic. But, many people do *initially* come to the path with a lot of fear driving them.

It is something I call Apprentice Gluttony. Having been starved for self-love for so long, and without any real sense of confidence derived from achievement, Apprentices usually show a lot of fear-driven motivation, along with anger, short-sighted hedonism, bravado, arrogance, etc, etc. Its perfectly natural, just like you expect someone without water to binge out once they finally find some fluid, you also see apprentices come in and kinda go splodie on everything. It passes. Either, they fall back from the path, or they go forward and begin to achieve, and develop more self-love, self-confidence, and self-trust, and the "Apprentice Gluttony" fades as they bring themselves back into balance. Normal thing.

But here's the thing, Polarization/Polarity leads to achievement. Repeated success does not amplify the furnace of fear, it douses it. Long-term, we just don't see Darkworkers with a sustained focus on fear. Similar to Lightworkers, we use it as a signpost and an energy to draw from, to push ourselves to shore up weakness, proactively chance our circumstances, etc. But not as a primary force -- in the face of increasing power and competence, fear diminishes.

Far more congruent with what we see is a self-love versus other-love model.

[Quenbyad]

It was a very informative post..
thanks for sharing..

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

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When you understand that, you understand why a Darkworker is as he is. He is not cold or cruel. He is a realist. He knows that A=A and pretending otherwise is intellectual suicide. Life must be lived, it cannot be passively observed.

Originally Posted by CroMagna

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Now I don't say "I can succeed in spite of people." I say "I can and probably will succeed BECAUSE of people." Did I create a reality where people are irritating? Who knows, but either way, it comes in handy.

What I get from these posts is that a Darkworker, by focussing only on his own interests, must be terribly lonely. 'No-one can I trust but myself.' Is that true? I'm not familiar with light/darkworking, so I'm still learning about this.

[Xanafax]

You could say that yeah.

Living life is a lonely business. Our happiness is a private, self motivated experience not be shown to the world.

[spirit4711]

@Xanafax, tnx for the quick reply. Why would you choose for that POV ('no-one but me can be trusted').

Another question: how about evil? Does it exist, and how does it relate to light/darkworkers?

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

What I get from these posts is that a Darkworker, by focussing only on his own interests, must be terribly lonely. 'No-one can I trust but myself.' Is that true? I'm not familiar with light/darkworking, so I'm still learning about this.

You're not gonna feel lonely when you're sufficiently self-motivated. The love you have for yourself will trump anything you've ever experienced.

Though it's not as if you can't have allies. You will, and you should- more manpower means you can get more done. But see, you don't trust them out of an altruistic sense of human unity, you trust them because your judgement is sound and you'd never put anyone at your side that would betray you. You also trust yourself enough to do away with dead weight if somebody proves unreliable. It all comes back to you in the end.

Another question: how about evil? Does it exist, and how does it relate to light/darkworkers?

Ironically, either path leads to less dualistic thinking. Good and evil cease to be useful paradigms when you truly understand the nature of the energies you're working with.

As for how the typical perceptions of "good" and "evil" relate to darkworking/lightworking, understand that light is not "good" and dark is not "evil". Either energy can be twisted into something wholly destructive.

To quote Asmoday (Taken from The Path of the Darkworker ):

Very few are fast-tracked in Darkworking, and if you are, you should be concerned. Why? You may be verging on a Dark Fusion, as the process happens more rapidly than you can control. Warning: You get corrupted into a sort of animal existence, or become sociopathic. The same thing can happen to Lightworkers, as they are driven to blind fanaticism, usually due to advancing too quickly – receiving the energy without the discretion. I call this Supernova. In fact, if I were to put a victim of Fusion, and Supernova right next to each other for you – it would be hard to tell them apart, aside from hearing their rhetoric. Can you say Dirka-Dirka Allah Jihad?

There's also what Steve calls lightworker/darkworker syndrome which boils down to harnessing one energy with too much of the other mixed into it. The difference between that and what's described above is that it's self-destructive whereas a victim of nova/fusion directs the energy outward.

[spirit4711]

@Eric, clear explanation, tnx.

As I see it now, DW focusses on total self-reliability and self responsibility. I don't see how LW are different in this?

There are several famous rolemodels for LW: Jesus, Boeddha, ML King to name just a few. I'm not so clear on rolemodels for DW. Can you give a few examples?

The whole idea of DW/LW is still not clear to me; I'm having trouble understanding why someone would choose for DW. I'll need to learn more about this - please keep extending the FAQ material!


EDIT: just am reading the Ashmoday link. Rolemodels mentioned there.

[Andrew Gubb]

Spirit, a good role model for a DW might be Hitler, Napoleon, George Bush, or Darth Vader. They like to be in positions of power. Their motto is "look out for number one" but it's not like they necessarily live longer than a lightworker. They fight for survival because they managed to make themselves feel like they are not secure on earth. This fear energy is something they consider worthwhile for its own sake.

Plato who experienced Darkworking from the inside said that any gain in power made him feel REALLY good when he was in this state of fear. His life in general, though, was basically pain. I guess when you're in pain the sense that you can feel really good in a way by increasing the pain in a different way is a tempting thought. LW is less conflicted, but I guess DW is better than being unpolarised in some ways. It's more focused, more clear - you know why you are alive (in order to save yourself at all costs).

Darkworking is basically an addiction. When you realise that people who are addicted "choose" to keep on going back for their fix even though they know it will do them even more harm in the long term, you get the idea why you might choose to be a darkworker.

[Eric Revelin]

^Everything Andrew just said comes more from a Lightworking perspective than a darkworking perspective.

It's not entirely inaccurate; darkworkers can live like that. But it's not the only game in town; few people can stand increasing their misery no matter how much of a rush it gives them in the moment.

An interesting note: you can make a case for Hitler as a lightworker. He was principled, did what he thought would make the world a better place, etc. The only thing that's for certain is that he was %^&*ing crazy.

Edit: As for rolemodels, Dick Valentine is one of my major inspirations. It's only a stage persona and most of the songs he sings are about nothing but the man has style. The energy coming from his ego is infectious. Case in point, I wake up to this every day: YouTube - Electric Six It's Showtime

On a more serious note, I've got a lot of respect for Asmoday. I see Lucifer as a rebel against tyranny (not a red-horned man goat) and I try to emulate that. Of course Anton LaVey is one of my influences, as is Neitzsche.

If you want a good primer for what darkworking looks like on the inside studying Satanism would be a good start, as would reading Ayn Rand's work.

[spirit4711]

Are DWs lonely? That's what keeps coming back to me. If so, I've no ambition in that direction. Been lonely too much already.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Are DWs lonely? That's what keeps coming back to me. If so, I've no ambition in that direction. Been lonely too much already.

You can be lonely with people. I think the lonely are those who are externally focused. They focus on who accepts them and who doesn't. I think DWs draw in people who serve the purpose of entertaining them but they don't need these people for anything.

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Are DWs lonely? That's what keeps coming back to me. If so, I've no ambition in that direction. Been lonely too much already.

All I can attest to is that, for myself, those I've taught, and those I've known, the answer is generally, no.

Firstly, we are more self-contained. Most of the things we reach for in others, a DW provides for theirself. But, they are still *human* and they do seek human interaction for its own sake. Remember, loneliness is a sign that you're out of balance in some way. A DW, with experience, being highly in tune with theirself, and comitted to honoring what they feel, will rapidly respond to this. This whole concept of "trust none", "need none" is short sighted and the sign of a noob, because as one progresses, they begin to see that the whole point of "other" and competing with, interacting with, etc the "other" is to see into the self.

What separates LW from DW is that there is no inherent obligation to "other". Only to "self".

Which leads to the evil question -- the simple answer is "yes", given that you believe evil exists. DW are not bound by morality as we know it. In the course of honoring the self, eventually all DW develop and refine a code of honor, but its free form. It can be whatever they choose, and its not about "others" at all, but honoring the best in yourself, and sort of creating rules for the game that bring out challenge, which defines you.

As far as I can tell, its a near 50-50 split between DW who have a comittment to not harm others except in defense of theirself and their tribe (and then they will respond with rutheless precision), and those who will proactively harm others, to varying degrees, with varying parameters.

The best way to answer ALL of this is to point to the Second Law of DW:

You are limited only by cause and effect.

[Xanafax]

I think this thread has covered some really important points.

Andrew you ARE talking from a Lightworker perspective as it where. A good role model for a Darkworker would be John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, or Anton LaVey.

These people are the real Darkworkers. Not Hitler, or Mussolini.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

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What separates LW from DW is that there is no inherent obligation to "other". Only to "self".
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This clarifies a lot to me! The basic difference between a light worker and a dark worker then is: a light worker sees self in themselves and in others ('oneness'); a dark worker only in themselves? In other words, dark workers see themselves as separate from others whereas light workers see themselves as connected with others?

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Are DWs lonely? That's what keeps coming back to me. If so, I've no ambition in that direction. Been lonely too much already.

Yes.

This goes against what the other posters have been saying but I don't think they get it.

The price for using fear energy to gain a sense of total domination over your reality is giving up that feeling of pleasurable connection. Darkworkers just live with that.

On the other hand the price for feeling deeply connected is to give up the sense that you are superior or inferior to other people.

(Darkworkers don't want to feel inferior but they care about feeling superior deeply enough that they don't want to transcend that duality and enjoy a sense of equality).

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

An interesting note: you can make a case for Hitler as a lightworker. He was principled, did what he thought would make the world a better place, etc.

No, you can't. A lightworker isn't defined by principles. He's defined by the energy he uses. Hitler very clearly used fear energy. Now, whether he deluded himself into thinking he was making the world a better place is another matter. A lot of darkworkers do. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

On a more serious note, I've got a lot of respect for Asmoday. I see Lucifer as a rebel against tyranny (not a red-horned man goat) and I try to emulate that.

Being on the side of light definitely doesn't mean being on the side of catholicism or any other orthodox social conditioning. Sounds like you want to be "dark" because of the way society has defined "light".

Andrew you ARE talking from a Lightworker perspective as it where. A good role model for a Darkworker would be John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, or Anton LaVey.

These people are the real Darkworkers. Not Hitler, or Mussolini.

Those guys are objectivists, not darkworkers. That's a philosophy based on self-interest but leaving room for the interests of others.

A darkworker wants to be better than everyone. His ultimate desire is total self-glorification, which for him necessarily involves an equal loss of glory for everyone else in his reality, not any sort of rational self-interest. Neither the compassion and burning desire to help which the lightworker feels, or the raging need and desire to come out on top which the darkworker feels, can be explained properly in terms of rational social, psychological or evolutionary thinking. You could try to fit LW/DW into those thought systems after the event of accepting their reality, but they just are, really.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Yes.

This goes against what the other posters have been saying but I don't think they get it.

The price for using fear energy to gain a sense of total domination over your reality is giving up that feeling of pleasurable connection. Darkworkers just live with that.

On the other hand the price for feeling deeply connected is to give up the sense that you are superior or inferior to other people.

(Darkworkers don't want to feel inferior but they care about feeling superior deeply enough that they don't want to transcend that duality and enjoy a sense of equality).

No, you don't get it. Somebody who really loves themselves ain't gonna feel lonely. Someone with real confidence doesn't care about feeling superior to others. In fact compulsively comparing yourself to others is the mark of a scrub. "Are they a potential threat?" "Does this guy have something I don't?" "How can I gain the edge?" That's what's going to go through a darkworker's mind. (Yeah, I know some of that looks like it relates to superiority/inferiority, and it does. The point is that's not the focus of the thought process. That would be a waste of mental energy. "I wanna be better than you" isn't nearly as helpful as "what brings me closer to my goals?")

Oh sure, some might revel in their superiority to others, but it's not a given. It's stupid to identify one possibility as "the darkworker personality" when both darkworking and lightworking contain a whole range of possibilities.

No, you can't. A lightworker isn't defined by principles. He's defined by the energy he uses. Hitler very clearly used fear energy. Now, whether he deluded himself into thinking he was making the world a better place is another matter. A lot of darkworkers do. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

High energy twisted into destructive force is frightful regardless of which energy it is.

If someone is acting in society's best interest by their intent then it's love focused in an outward direction. Since we don't really know what was going on inside of Hitler's head it's impossible to say what was really driving him. What is clear is that he was mentally unstable; it might be inaccurate to say he was polarized at all. Chaos is powerful too, after all; the problem is that it can't be controlled (obviously) and will almost certainly destroy everything in its path, wielder included.

Being on the side of light definitely doesn't mean being on the side of catholicism or any other orthodox social conditioning. Sounds like you want to be "dark" because of the way society has defined "light".

No, I'm dark because that's the energy I'm harnessing. You don't understand that what a darkworker is "supposed" to be, by your estimation, isn't how he -has- to be. One of the reasons I look up to Lucifer is because he's misunderstood which in turn represents one of the most significant aspects of darkness- mystery. IE, the act of embracing what I cannot at first comprehend.

See, I'm not a spiritual Satanist. Hell, I'm not a Satanist at all, I just like the symbolism, and I admire some of the people who identify with that path. And I hardly identify lightworking with Christian orthodoxy. In fact I think lightworking and orthodox religion are incompatible. It would be idiotic to think that anyone leading a conscious life would be subject to social conditioning and senseless dogma. (Okay, that's an exaggeration; I think lightworkers are prone to that, I just admit they don't have to go in that direction.) However, even those on that path use Christ as a symbol for what they admire and what they hope to become. I'm using Lucifer the same way.

Those guys are objectivists, not darkworkers. That's a philosophy based on self-interest but leaving room for the interests of others.

Realistically you can't completely abandon the interests of others if you want to succeed in life. As a human being you can't completely abandon the interest of others because you're going to care about some of them. If polarizing causes you to forsake part of your nature it will destroy you which would defeat the purpose of doing it in the first place.

A darkworker wants to be better than everyone. His ultimate desire is total self-glorification, which for him necessarily involves an equal loss of glory for everyone else in his reality, not any sort of rational self-interest. Neither the compassion and burning desire to help which the lightworker feels, or the raging need and desire to come out on top which the darkworker feels, can be explained properly in terms of rational social, psychological or evolutionary thinking. You could try to fit LW/DW into those thought systems after the event of accepting their reality, but they just are, really.

Make no mistake: darkworkers will go after what they want without regard for anyone that gets in their way. It's the way life is; it should be understood that there's a chance you'll fail and/or be destroyed in the pursuit of your goals.

It doesn't have to be malicious as is implied by what you said. I'm just trying to get **** done, I'm not actively trying to deprive other people of glory. Reach for the stars, just don't expect me to give it to you if you're after the same thing I am. It's a lie to tell someone that we can all get along and that we can all have what we want even if we're all after the same thing.

One last note on the whole philosophy thing: folks like Anton LaVey present sound darkworker philosophies. Yeah, this is about energy, not philosophy, but if you want to harness the energy picking your philosophy is a good place to start. If you're a fatass and you act like somebody that's in shape (exercising every day, watching your calories, etc.) your energy is gonna change with your body. Same principle here.

[Brutha]

No, you can't. A lightworker isn't defined by principles. He's defined by the energy he uses. Hitler very clearly used fear energy.

What do you think that Hitler was afraid of?
He created fear in other people. He didn't thought much about possible defeats, he didn't feared them but focused on what he wanted to archive.
If fear would have mattered for his decision making he probably wouldn't have attacked Russia before having ended the war on the other front.

Hitler didn't fought for himself but for his ideal of Germany.